I know it's a bit late in the day for a poll but please can we have a poll on this?

Thanks

LOL after the ten threads started!!

bbc breakfastsaid majority in favourof brendan

and camilla just agreed on itt

I do and I don't!

I'm glad that somebody stood up to them because the scores were pretty crazy and it really makes me cross when they're inconsistent or unfair!



However I sometimes think that Brendan may be a bit guilty of the same fault!



Sorry if he's your favourite!

Me too

I think that some of the judges comments are quite off (they were plain rude to him and Claire Saturday)

I don't think that Brendan has necessarily dealt with it in the best way.
Last edited by sarah-flute : 01-11-2006 at 19:08

Absolutely agree - it's time someone said it

For too long, the judges (Arlene & Craig in particular) have been demeaning and belittling people giving of their time and energy all in a good cause and none of them... even Chris Parker.... have deserved to be attacked on a personal level.

i agree 100% ....i was saying it before he did!

Me three...

I'm glad that the judges were shown that they are not infallable, but I don't want SCD to only be about this....

I'm so in two minds about it all, I can't vote a straight yes or no!
Last edited by FionaH : 01-11-2006 at 19:19

I agree totally and to be honest how else would he have got as much coverage for his complaints if he didn't do what he did.

The scores and remarks are getting so out of hand

Yes... it's got to the "oh please can we shut UP about it and let's get on with the dancing" point now.


Ditto.

I agree completely and feel that there is a lot of bias score voting most noteably from Craig for Emma, Arlene marking Claire down, Bruno making Louisa up. Its utterly rediculous. They can claim they don't have faves and look at the dance in different ways but on a technical level eg hands, steps etc there should be some basic level of scoring.

sort it out judges!!!!!

If I was pushed I guess it would be a yes, as I think something did need to be said....

Yes, I do, although I think now that it's over and done with, and people have spoken up on ITT both for and against him, it should just be dropped now. I think there might be a backlash if it continues, and I don't want to see that.

It's good and bad - someone had to react to Saturday's scoring/comments, but perhaps it shouldn't have been Brendan and perhaps it shouldn't have been so public. However, part of me was glad to see the veneer of civility come off Arlene & Len...

My biggest fear is that the judges (bloody minded egoists that they are) won't reflect on what was said and carry on as normal; if the comments/marks are as batty this Saturday, God help us...

Totally agree!! they comment people are rubbish and stillget 7 and 8s something needed to be said!!!

I have voted yes without hesitation. I hated the personal remarks made and it was getting worse and worse now perhaps the judges will be controlled and mark in a fair way .Young children watch and Arlene is completely out of control....there should not be any "filthy", " horny," "dirty"
etc. There are enough bad influences on the young and a dancing programme should not be one of them, at 6.00 o'clock on a Saturday Night

I assume musicangel is referring to Emma yet again. Nobody commented they were "rubbish" unless I missed something. Len commented on lack of heel leads, which is fair enough, but he then said the "rest of it as always was great". If he had had the time, which is always a problem, I assume what he meant (and this is purely my own assumption as a dance teacher) he would have meant posture, hold, floor coverage, dancing to the beat of the music etc. all of which did look pretty good actually and are relevant. It is unfortunate they do not have the time to explain their comments, as this might prevent a lot of the arguments and criticisms on here.

I would agree that personal remarks are unacceptable and some of Arlenes are disgraceful, but so was Brendans language on a programme at that time! If Len made some of the comments Arlene makes about the female celebrities bodies etc. he would probably be seen as a bit of a dirty old man, so I dont see why it is OK the other way round.

I actually think the judges should carry on with their marking as normal. Even Brendan said on ITT that the marks usually work out about right in the end, so he doesn't have a problem there (although he did contradict himself). If it is purely the personal remarks then that should be addressed, and it would be nice if the judges could manage some constructive comments to help the participants from time to time too!

I agree, especially Craig giving Peter 2 for the paso doble where he made no obvious mistakes and then giving Jan and Anton's mistake-riddled dance a 5.

A 2 to me indicates they have completely forgotten the routine, or fallen over two or three times, or burst into tears in the middle, or just walked around the floor or something, it was extremely low, even though the content wasn't great. But the judge concerned does have a reputation for low marking.

I agree with bewest about the judges' comments, I often think that if they had time to justify them there may not be all this moaning about Emma and Darren being over marked. She has the best posture in the competition and she is always perfectly in time with the music and the routine was very musical and very entertaining. Surely those points means the routine is worth an eight or more!

And I agree with whoever it was who said Arlene is out of order, I wish she'd just grow up and realise she's NOT sexy!

HAHA Katie that last big made me laugh. I am in agreement with all that Katie said . Hope you don'y mind

I agree with Brendan, I love the remarks and I think the judges add such a lot to the show, but last week they were all over the place. Len needs to sort them out a bit. As Brendan said on this morning's Breakfast show, it would be good for them all to sit down pre-programme and decide on a more coherent system of marking, points to look out for in each dance etc. Constructive criticism would also be very pleasant.

I think Brendan will find himself the recipient of some nasty comments and low marks on Saturday now - I reckon the judges will feel they have to prove that they aren't doing anything wrong.

Up until last Saturday, I could just about tolerate two of the judges, and was not too bothered about one, and I had enormous respect for the other. Now, none of them have my respect, and Len fell from the highest height. To say that I no longer respect their views is a big concern, but it is a fact. I cannot bear to watch or hear any of them utter any comment on any dance ever again. Even if it sounds right, I will no longer believe what they say, and will be looking for ulterior motives.

With each series of SCD, they have grown in more confidence, and perhaps have become a little too comfortable and maybe complacent in their role in SCD, and in doing so, have slowly chipped away at any regard I had for them. Last Saturday's 'performance' was the last nail in the coffin. I thought that the behaviour and personal insults went beyond unprofessional, and if any BBC executive is reading this, make no mistake, this cannot be glossed over with a few smiles and a few 'constructive' remarks thrown in here and there. They have lost credibility, and if left for another series, so will the programme.

The professional veneer of all the judges, some more than others, slipped on Saturday, and I saw a really nasty side at certain points throughout the show.

I stopped watching the main show from week 2, but I heard about what went on from others, and saw the results show, and I was dismayed at what I saw on national tv, in the name of entertainment. When I watched the highlights show on Sunday, I could not believe how 'nasty' some of the comments were.

If someone else had said the things that Brendan said, even more people would be in agreement. Something needed to be said, as the judges were getting 'way too big for their boots', but because Brendan is known as the Bad Boy of Dance, no doubt more capital will be made out of why he said what he said etc., but trust me when I say, this matter is not over, and the repercussions will go on long after this series is finished.

A line was crossed on Saturday, and the BBC and the judges know it, and now it is all about damage limitation. All of the professionals who want to stay on the right side of the BBC/judges will take a stance, that is their perogative, but I for one admire Brendan for what he said, and the way that he said it, because if nothing else, it has been the catalyst for many a debate, and that after all, cannot be a bad thing.
Last edited by Bruno's Girl : 01-11-2006 at 21:22

I've voted yes as am huge Brendan fan.He is the reason I watch SCD,but at the risk of upsetting a lot of forum members....I wish the whole subject would now be left in peace to settle so that this Saturdays show is not the same boiling pot that last weeks show ended up.Hopefully maybe the judges will have taken note and act accordingly and the dancers can get on with the job in hand and thrill us all.

I agree with you that the matter should be left now, and we should get on with the dancing, but I cannot agree with your view that the judges should take note of Brendans rant. I don't see why one of the professional dancers should be able to influence the judges views and marking. It is not his place to do so. And if he continued the debate after the show and said anything inappropriate which brendan in a rage might well do, there could now be some ill feeling amongst the dancers, which would be a real pity. I would hope people would now let it die, and carry on with producing a great show for us all to enjoy!

Fair enough!