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Results:Do You Agree With Brendan's Criticism Of The Judges?
Yes
244 (82.15%)
No
53 (17.85%)
Voters: 297. You can't vote on this poll right now - are you signed in?
Do You Agree With Brendan's Criticism Of The Judges?
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PeachUK
07-11-2006
Originally Posted by pretty:
“I've just visited Erin and Anton's official website. Apparently, Erin also clapped when Brendan went for the judges as she thought Craig's comments about her dance that week was personal. Anyway, it's clear that Anton and Erin are on Brendan's side

http://www.antonanderin.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=2”

Great news - thanks pretty!
allyfree
07-11-2006
Seems to me that with the exception of Brendan, Camilla, Anton & Erin, the rest of them are all too mealy-mouthed to get involved unless they're not invited back.

Having been on SCD from the very start, these 4 have built a huge reputation and are part of why many people tune in now and they have obviously seen a lot of changes over the years, not all of them for the better.

Could be that the others don't feel as secure in their popularity and don't want to rock the boat
pretty
07-11-2006
Originally Posted by allyfree:
“Seems to me that with the exception of Brendan, Camilla, Anton & Erin, the rest of them are all too mealy-mouthed to get involved unless they're not invited back.

Having been on SCD from the very start, these 4 have built a huge reputation and are part of why many people tune in now and they have obviously seen a lot of changes over the years, not all of them for the better.

Could be that the others don't feel as secure in their popularity and don't want to rock the boat ”

I think you've hit the nail squarely on it's head there!
slappers r us
08-11-2006
Originally Posted by allyfree:
“Seems to me that with the exception of Brendan, Camilla, Anton & Erin, the rest of them are all too mealy-mouthed to get involved unless they're not invited back.

Having been on SCD from the very start, these 4 have built a huge reputation and are part of why many people tune in now and they have obviously seen a lot of changes over the years, not all of them for the better.

Could be that the others don't feel as secure in their popularity and don't want to rock the boat ”

It does seem that some are in the 'jobs worth' catagory
General Zod
08-11-2006
I think I could perhaps agree with Brendan, if he wasn't such a big headed @rsehole!

But because he is, then I hope he and Claire King get thrown off the show quite soon!
Last edited by General Zod : 08-11-2006 at 02:15
thenetworkbabe
08-11-2006
Originally Posted by Tango Trish:
“Right place and definitely right time - the judges had it coming - and for them to go that bit further in the results show and basically try to lead the voting public against Brendan for his outburst was unforgiveable and very unprofessional”

Smoke and mirrors. they know the public will support Brendan and if they waste their money voting for Brendan they won't be voting to save the weaker dancers who also get low or mediocre marks. As Dr Lecter would say, look at the result - in the two weeks when Brendan was marked down they managed to get rid of jan and Geogina who they couldn't get rid of when they performed poorly because of teh sympathy vote but who went when they did better and the judges praised them as the sympathy/anti-judge vote was with Brendan. .
Last edited by thenetworkbabe : 08-11-2006 at 02:16
thenetworkbabe
08-11-2006
Originally Posted by glitterbug:
“I thought Jan had a point asking Craig where the correlation was between "this was your personal best" and then giving the same mark as last week when the comments were bad. It wasn't the only discrepancy between the comments and the scores IMO though.”


Not really.Its what happens in a 1-10 marking scale where people cluster around the middle anyway. You have to decide which mark to give with two options each time - 5 or 6, 6 or 7. If you think its better than a 5 you might give it the benefit of being almost a 6. If you think its better than a six but not a 7 you will have to give it 6 again. One 6 is nearly a whole point better than the other one. If you look at it in percentage terms you would round up a 55
% to a 6 and 64% would also be a 6 when you rounded it down. Thats why people tend to use percentages in most fields as single figure marks include diferences that are too large.

He can't make the point is better by giving it a 7 because his marks have to be consistent with those he is giving other people.
musicangel
08-11-2006
After last weeks stupidity and bruno and len still being dipsticks that would be still totally agree with what brendan said!! lol
pretty
08-11-2006
I still can't believe how unprofessional Bruno was last week . I bet he was mighty embarrassed by the fact he couldn't get a rise out of Brendan

(That sounds a bit naughty, doesn't it )
Veri
09-11-2006
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Smoke and mirrors. they know the public will support Brendan and if they waste their money voting for Brendan they won't be voting to save the weaker dancers who also get low or mediocre marks. As Dr Lecter would say, look at the result - in the two weeks when Brendan was marked down they managed to get rid of jan and Geogina who they couldn't get rid of when they performed poorly because of teh sympathy vote but who went when they did better and the judges praised them as the sympathy/anti-judge vote was with Brendan. .”

It sounds like you think the judges are deliberately trying to counter what they see as unreasonable behaviour of the voters.

Interesting (to say the least!) if it's true.

I'm not sure it's a sympathy vote, or an anti-judge vote. Perhaps it's just that low scores from the judges give the people who support those dancers a reason to vote. So more of them do, compared to suppoeters of higher-scoring dancers. Perhaps something like that is the explanation.

But, if so, it could still make sense for the judges to want to counter the effect.

One of the problems with this sort of show, it seems to me, is that people who are pretty good and have a lot of potential can be evicted if they aren't near the top in the judges marks, while less capable performers are saved by the public.

Still, perhaps that's what most people want. Personality and progress may be seen as more important than ability.
thenetworkbabe
09-11-2006
Originally Posted by Veri:
“It sounds like you think the judges are deliberately trying to counter what they see as unreasonable behaviour of the voters.

Interesting (to say the least!) if it's true.

I'm not sure it's a sympathy vote, or an anti-judge vote. Perhaps it's just that low scores from the judges give the people who support those dancers a reason to vote. So more of them do, compared to suppoeters of higher-scoring dancers. Perhaps something like that is the explanation.

But, if so, it could still make sense for the judges to want to counter the effect.

One of the problems with this sort of show, it seems to me, is that people who are pretty good and have a lot of potential can be evicted if they aren't near the top in the judges marks, while less capable performers are saved by the public.

Still, perhaps that's what most people want. Personality and progress may be seen as more important than ability.”


The evidence such as it is is that people have repeatedly changed at least five places between the judges order and the publics voting order. The bottom people end up in themiddle and those in the middle with the judges go. It can't be a personality vote because it doesn't happen to the same personalities every week . As it happens to those who the judges dislike most it looks like an anti-judge vote.

Its possible its the contestant's own supporters jumping into action to save them but thats not very sensible behaviour as the obvious lesson of the people in the middle with the judges going is that your contestant is in danger even if they are not at the bottom and you need to vote for them too. The maths might produce the result if not many people were voting but the sheer size of the leaps up the order suggests that its not going to be enough of the fans of that character suddenly deciding to vote more than those of 5 people above them with the judges. I suppose you could be right though - if every Georgina/Jan/Brendan.Peter fan votes twice when they are criticised and in obvious danger and once when she ithey are praised and not you might get the results we have seen. Its going to be a pretty odd final though if votes are that changeable by people voting to save their favourite only when they are in extreme danger.
Last edited by thenetworkbabe : 09-11-2006 at 05:04
cymrugirl
09-11-2006
Originally Posted by allyfree:
“Seems to me that with the exception of Brendan, Camilla, Anton & Erin, the rest of them are all too mealy-mouthed to get involved unless they're not invited back.

Having been on SCD from the very start, these 4 have built a huge reputation and are part of why many people tune in now and they have obviously seen a lot of changes over the years, not all of them for the better.

Could be that the others don't feel as secure in their popularity and don't want to rock the boat ”

I'm not sure about that. Karen can't exactly have an outburst at the judges 'cause she's a judge herself and what brendan said isn't exactly news to her. Not getting mouthy is a good thing I believe! They just comes across as whiney and I loathe that. Make yourself heard through the dancing I say
Tissy
09-11-2006
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Still, perhaps that's what most people want. Personality and progress may be seen as more important than ability.”


Going by last years result I would say this was true.
musicangel
09-11-2006
It drives me nuts not to know the public vote percetages!!!
pretty
22-11-2006
In light of Bruno and Len's admissions on ITT this week, I thought it'll be a good idea to pull up this thread even though the poll is now closed.
Apricot
22-11-2006
After CRH's absurd score of 5 for Mark's Rumba, I do now!

I know know it's shameful but until a perceived unfair judgment happens to your fave, it's very easy to sit smugly thinking how fair-minded you are and Brendan should've accepted criticism with good grace.

I sing from a different hymsheet now!
pretty
22-11-2006
Originally Posted by Apricot:
“After CRH's absurd score of 5 for Mark's Rumba, I do now!

I know know it's shameful but until a perceived unfair judgment happens to your fave, it's very easy to sit smugly thinking how fair-minded you are and Brendan should've accepted criticism with good grace.

I sing from a different hymsheet now!”

Another one who's seen the light


We shouldn't have to wait till something's happened to our fav though to see any given point of view . We don't have to agree with it but we shouldn't also dismiss it without due consideration!
Apricot
22-11-2006
Originally Posted by pretty:
“. We don't have to agree with it but we shouldn't also dismiss it without due consideration!”


Fair enough although I didn't necessarily dismiss what Brendan was saying - I thought he had valid points - I just didn't agree with it quite so vehemently as I do now.
musicangel
22-11-2006
STill totally agree with what brendan said
pretty
22-11-2006
Originally Posted by musicangel:
“STill totally agree with what brendan said”

It helps that he's now also been vindicated
Kaos
22-11-2006
Brendan is the master of all things logical... All bow to Mr Cole ...

(If you can't tell I'm joking, he is pretty logical but I'm not a fool, well I am but you know what I mean just so people don't 'ave a pop...)
FelineFantastic
22-11-2006
Originally Posted by pretty:
“It helps that he's now also been vindicated ”

He's always been cheered on in this house- but still the unfairness continues and still he is marked down by Len and Bruno- and I do support him and Claire and vote for them but they are not my faves so this is not a support him wotever he says reply!
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