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Old 07-01-2003, 13:25
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I dont often agree with Dominic Mohan, but here he is right
IMO.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003010321,00.html
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Old 07-01-2003, 15:33
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If one form of media is to blame then i think they all are. The mirror decided it would be best to attack the videogame market.
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Old 07-01-2003, 18:41
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I have to say that I disagree with what he wrote. Rap music is full of glorifying gangs, violence, guns and homophobia. The 'heros' of the genre never come out and say actually what we say in our lyrics isn't waht we believe in real life, therefore re-inforceing that the above is acceptable. The young and vulerable are influenced by this and this is why in certain sections of the community (esp young black men) the above is an acceptable part of everyday life.

If the leading artists did say that guns, gangs, violence and homophobia is wrong then maybe we wouldn't have to have this debate becuase it wouldn't be an issue.

PS I exclude Miss Dynamite form the above ebcause she has openbly said that gangs, guns and violence is wrong and good for her for doing it. If only others would follow her lead.
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Old 07-01-2003, 22:18
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the real reason for all the shootings is probably down to too many immagrents in the UK, not music!
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Old 07-01-2003, 22:26
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I also agree with the the man too - not often you see something that makes sense in The Sun!!

It has about as much credit as those stories which always blame computer games for shootings that occur. My opinion is that these people who make wild accusations simply do not understand/do not like their target and therefore are afraid of it and feel that they must do everything they can to "destroy" it

From my knowledge there are plenty of hip-hop artists who have admitted to creating a certain image in order to sell more records, so I think to say that they never come out and say that is a little bit off the mark.
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Old 08-01-2003, 02:19
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I wouldn't agree quite with that Lee. However, all the immigrants do create tensions within communities though as I have have found out from personal experience of sharing a housing office with 30 asylum seekers being, shall we say, intimidating.

However, we are getting off topic here - back to the debate...
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Old 08-01-2003, 08:56
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Originally posted by RadiorobFM
I have to say that I disagree with what he wrote. Rap music is full of glorifying gangs, violence, guns and homophobia. The 'heros' of the genre never come out and say actually what we say in our lyrics isn't waht we believe in real life, therefore re-inforceing that the above is acceptable. The young and vulerable are influenced by this and this is why in certain sections of the community (esp young black men) the above is an acceptable part of everyday life.

If the leading artists did say that guns, gangs, violence and homophobia is wrong then maybe we wouldn't have to have this debate becuase it wouldn't be an issue.

PS I exclude Miss Dynamite form the above ebcause she has openbly said that gangs, guns and violence is wrong and good for her for doing it. If only others would follow her lead.
so little jonny in leafy hampstead who listens to 'so solid crew' is going out with his ouzi?. dont think so.

Music doesnt make crime, it reflects society.

years ago heavy metal was supposed to be the cuase of the worlds ills. its just music fcs.
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Old 12-01-2003, 22:23
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So Solid are a garage group, they aint rappers, just wannabes.
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Old 13-01-2003, 10:06
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The lyrics that are in this rap music do have an effect over younger listeners, you have to be a fool to not see that the younger ones adore and copy their idols, they want to be exactly like them, fortunately it isnt the young ones who are doing the shootings, but they will grow up in turn and i dread to see what our world is like then.

You do notice that this is mostly a black issue though, which is probably an effect of most rap stars being black themselves. These are the wrong idols.
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Old 13-01-2003, 10:42
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what utter nonsense, it seems the government needs another scapegoat so they decide to place the blame on rap music, it seems they are willing to blame everything but themselfs
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Old 13-01-2003, 10:53
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Originally posted by Lee Cool
the real reason for all the shootings is probably down to too many immagrents in the UK, not music!
If you mean asylum seekers then i agree totally. All they do is come to our fair country and sponge of the UK's money. And then there is the asylum seekers that insist on doing what bloody Bin laden is doing and trying to kill the people here in the UK that are helping them.

I think everyone has a right to an opinion, and that was mine. You may not think the same way but i am one of many people that think the rules for asylum seekers should be changed.
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Old 13-01-2003, 11:06
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Originally posted by Lee Cool
the real reason for all the shootings is probably down to too many immagrents in the UK, not music!
I think the expression I'm looking for rhymes with 'clucking bell'.

The fact that you can't corrrectly spell the word immigrants is deeply ironic

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Old 13-01-2003, 11:11
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Maybe we should be blaming the government here, as well as the people who perpatrate the crime, instead of scape goating computer games and music.

These gun crimes are done on in areas which are not exactly the nicest areas. If you build sh*t holes, and put sh*t in them, then sh*t will happen.

The culture comes from living in terrible conditions around terrible people. Yes, the music can sometimes be violent in its content, but it simply reflects what they are living... its poetry.

Then they "regenerate" the areas to make them look better, but put the same people in the buildings. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

What we need to do is create tighter controls and not make it so easy to get these weapons. We aren't in America, we don't have a right to a firearm.

BBG, Your right. If Lee can't even spell immigrant, it just proves how insular he is. Legitimate immigrants will prove themselves to be a worthwhile part of our culture that are willing to learn, and willing to go out and earn a good living. Not shoot each other.
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Old 13-01-2003, 11:20
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Originally posted by TheCableGuy
If you mean asylum seekers then i agree totally. All they do is come to our fair country and sponge of the UK's money. And then there is the asylum seekers that insist on doing what bloody Bin laden is doing and trying to kill the people here in the UK that are helping them.

I think everyone has a right to an opinion, and that was mine. You may not think the same way but i am one of many people that think the rules for asylum seekers should be changed.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion. Unfortunately you're tarring all asylum seekers with the same brush, accusing them of being lazy scroungers. Of course there will be a minority in any group who are work-shy. I'm sure that the vast majority aren't.

Which is worse, a lazy British bloke who's had all the benefits of living in the UK since birth and can't be arsed to get a job, or a work-shy immigrant who's just arrived from some armpit country (no offence!) where formal education was non-existent and he's been living on his wits to support his family since age 8?

And while, of course, there can never be an excuse for terrorism, to deny that people in the 'developing world' have valid grievances against the West is a continuing recipe for disaster. How would you feel if your popular goverments were swept away and replaced by autocratic dictatorships. All with US military intelligence, US fighting equipment, US funds and US political support.

Not an apologia for terrorism ... but please pause for thought before blaming the guy down the road.

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Old 13-01-2003, 11:39
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Wait a minute, not every council estate is a shit hole. Its the people who live there that make it like that, and yes unemployment is a part of this, which sometimes is the governments responsibility, but we cant keep blaming the government for everything, people have to be resbonsible for their own lives and actions.
No one has the excuse to use guns with any intention let alone kill. You cant use bad housing as an excuse for this. The people who use guns no what they are doing.
Its usually got something to do with drugs which is not the fault of our government.
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Old 13-01-2003, 11:43
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Originally posted by boredatwork
Wait a minute, not every council estate is a shit hole. Its the people who live there that make it like that, and yes unemployment is a part of this, which sometimes is the governments responsibility, but we cant keep blaming the government for everything, people have to be resbonsible for their own lives and actions.
No one has the excuse to use guns with any intention let alone kill. You cant use bad housing as an excuse for this. The people who use guns no what they are doing.
Its usually got something to do with drugs which is not the fault of our government.
Hear hear!

Lack of personal accountability, lack of positive role models, lack of stable family environments, never or rarely having negative behaviour challenged as kids/teenagers ... all these are much more significant drivers in criminal behaviour than unemployment, poor housing or, FFS rap music

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Old 13-01-2003, 11:44
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As ive always believed, you can create bad surroundings, but surroundings cant create a bad you.
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Old 13-01-2003, 11:56
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I think the music is more of a by product of the gang and gun culture rather than responsible for it, all though to the impressinable young it may be a 'bad' influence.

I think the govt should concentrate on stopping gang culture and tougher laws as then you stop the music really.

I find it hard video games are bad. GTA etc have been sold in there millions but I doubt that has fuelled driving round like a maniac randomly killing people.
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Old 13-01-2003, 16:24
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Agreed, but there has to be some reason why these people find that their behaviour is acceptable, I mean who in their right mind would shoot and think they would get away with it, their chances of doing so are one in a million.
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Old 13-01-2003, 16:28
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Originally posted by boredatwork
Agreed, but there has to be some reason why these people find that their behaviour is acceptable, I mean who in their right mind would shoot and think they would get away with it, their chances of doing so are one in a million.
Hmmm ... seen any crime detection figures lately?

I think that 'one in a million' is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY off the mark, unfortunately.

For some the power and influence that comes with being a criminal will always outweigh the attractions of a life of worthy mediocrity.

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Old 13-01-2003, 16:34
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Originally posted by boredatwork
Agreed, but there has to be some reason why these people find that their behaviour is acceptable, I mean who in their right mind would shoot and think they would get away with it, their chances of doing so are one in a million.
As said above , its the lack of a father or sometimes any responsible role model. Some people grow up around these criminals who they see as peers and they get dragged in.
I think mostly these people live by the moto , live fast and die fast.
They deal/take drugs , get drunk buy/steal fast cars and then die early. Bit like that Gun Siegeman in London. They wanted his car for a shooting and he was known for drug offences as well but he killed him self instead as he didn't want to go back 'to prison'.
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Old 13-01-2003, 17:30
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Oh well, as long as these criminals stay in the large cities.
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Old 16-01-2003, 12:06
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Originally posted by boredatwork
Oh well, as long as these criminals stay in the large cities.
Which means what? Because I live in a city, I have to accept crime? No. I don't think so.
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