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"I hope you're satisfied" : Craig
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Swonky
04-11-2006
Well, I think Jan spoke for me tonight absolutely.

"I hope you're satisified !"

I've always liked Craig, I found him the fairest and most consistent judge and if he gave you a high mark, my goodness you deserved it. Whilst Len and Bruno would just start their marking at 7's and Arlene could let her libido take over, Craig could be reiled up on to keep things on a more sensible level.

Until this series.

I simply can no longer deny that he is absolutely biased and seems to be on a mission to ensure certain couples are evicted regardless of their dance or their improvement. Tonight, despite raving about Peter and Erin's Waltz and saying it was gorgeous indicating he loved it, he only gave them a 6. He gave them a 2 last week despite him remembering every single step and committing to the dance absolutely whilst giving an 8 to a dance which he admitted had absolutely no coirrect basic content.

Most importantly though, as Jan said, he claimed it was her "best" yet and yet did not mark her higher than last week. That is simply a contradiction in it's purest form. If something is "best" that means it has to be "better" than everything that came before it, and as such, it needs to be marked higher. It's just common sense. It seems like whatever Jan did, even if she came out and did a Jill, Craig would not mark her above a 5 becuase he wanted her out of the competition.

That kind of bias, inconsistency and plain cheating if you ask me cannot be acceptable.



Is anyone else thinking of making a complain about him or is it just me ?
CaptainSensible
04-11-2006
I'm not sure if it is worth making a complaint, but I'm glad someone exposed the "best ever, but not highest mark" logic trap that the judges (not just Craig) keep falling into. I'd like to see him try and argue his way out of that one...
ian's no 1 fan
04-11-2006
i get a bit fed up of judges saying either "that was your best dance" or "best dance of the evening" but then not scoring to relect it,noticed it last year!
miaviv
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“Well, I think Jan spoke for me tonight absolutely.

"I hope you're satisified !"

I've always liked Craig, I found him the fairest and most consistent judge and if he gave you a high mark, my goodness you deserved it. Whilst Len and Bruno would just start their marking at 7's and Arlene could let her libido take over, Craig could be reiled up on to keep things on a more sensible level.

Until this series.

I simply can no longer deny that he is absolutely biased and seems to be on a mission to ensure certain couples are evicted regardless of their dance or their improvement. Tonight, despite raving about Peter and Erin's Waltz and saying it was gorgeous indicating he loved it, he only gave them a 6. He gave them a 2 last week despite him remembering every single step and committing to the dance absolutely whilst giving an 8 to a dance which he admitted had absolutely no coirrect basic content.

Most importantly though, as Jan said, he claimed it was her "best" yet and yet did not mark her higher than last week. That is simply a contradiction in it's purest form. If something is "best" that means it has to be "better" than everything that came before it, and as such, it needs to be marked higher. It's just common sense. It seems like whatever Jan did, even if she came out and did a Jill, Craig would not mark her above a 5 becuase he wanted her out of the competition.

That kind of bias, inconsistency and plain cheating if you ask me cannot be acceptable.



Is anyone else thinking of making a complain about him or is it just me ?”


I agree although I wouldn't go so far as to complain officially. I'm not sure that Jan or anyone else's comments will make the slightest bit of difference to our Craig as he doesn't give a t*ss about what anyone else thinks
DerChef
04-11-2006
I think he is actually
Endemoniada
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“Is anyone else thinking of making a complain about him or is it just me ?”

Why take it so seriously?

Craig, in conjunction with the other judges, gets his marks about right in relative terms....even Brendan admitted that....and it's not particularly easy given that they have to mark after each dance and are restricted to integer scores.

With the possible exception of Spoony, the weaker dancers are being eliminated. I think the show is managed pretty well on the whole and Craig and the other judges play their part in that.
Kelpy
04-11-2006
I'm done with him, quite honestly.

He's very good at backing up his spiteful comments with low marks, but the inconsistency with his praise and his marking is glaring. He contradicted himself tonight to the detriment of a competitor in the series, and I absolutely hope he's happy now because he's got what he wanted.

Shame I've lost all respect for him in the process, but I really doubt he cares about that!
Cat123
04-11-2006
Jan annoyed me in the results show. :angry:

I'll miss Anton!
Traffic1326
04-11-2006
Are you Craig? Woow
Swonky
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by miaviv:
“I agree although I wouldn't go so far as to complain officially. I'm not sure that Jan or anyone else's comments will make the slightest bit of difference to our Craig as he doesn't give a t*ss about what anyone else thinks”

I just think that any competiition has to be run on the basis of fairness, and Craig is not being remotely fair to the point where the professionals AND the celebs are getting visibly angry live on air and storming off. That's *huge*. It's not just affecting them, it's affecting me as a viewer because I know I could lose a favourite couple purley becuase Craig wants them out of the competition and will give them either ridiciously low marks or will never score them above a certain point regardless of improvement.

I just feels like cheating to me, and unless I complain, the BBC might think it's just those on the show with a problem.
Wingpatrol
04-11-2006
Emma could go out there wearing a bin bag, with curlers in her hair, fall flat on her face and still get scored an 8 with Craig!!!
slappers r us
04-11-2006
Pity Jan didnt stick up for Brendan last week when he commented on the judges comments

but then IMO she thought she was safe this week
thismouse
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“I just think that any competiition has to be run on the basis of fairness, and Craig is not being remotely fair to the point where the professionals AND the celebs are getting visibly angry live on air and storming off. That's *huge*. It's not just affecting them, it's affecting me as a viewer because I know I could lose a favourite couple purley becuase Craig wants them out of the competition and will give them either ridiciously low marks or will never score them above a certain point regardless of improvement.

I just feels like cheating to me, and unless I complain, the BBC might think it's just those on the show with a problem.”

Very well said. Like others on this thread, I was also a Craig fan before this series. He was actually my favourite judge before. I think he started before this series even did, to be honest- it's no secret that he was bashing Jan and Anton and praising Emma and Darren before the first show had began.

I don't know what's made him feel he's suddenly invincible and can say anything he wants, but something needs to make him come back down to earth.
cazzbar
04-11-2006
SCD is not the same this series. There is so much back biting - even between the contestants. Now the audience are booing at the result. The judges have to take their fair share of criticism. This could be the last series - I hope not cos I love it - but I think it is going downhill. Is there no-one who can stop it?
Swonky
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by Endemoniada:
“Why take it so seriously?

Craig, in conjunction with the other judges, gets his marks about right in relative terms....even Brendan admitted that....and it's not particularly easy given that they have to mark after each dance and are restricted to integer scores.

With the possible exception of Spoony, the weaker dancers are being eliminated. I think the show is managed pretty well on the whole and Craig and the other judges play their part in that.”

I think I take it seroiusly becuase the dancers and celebs are. If they were all taking the show as a bit of a laugh then fair enough, let's all boo at Craig, but the level of animosity, passion and hurt shows how seriously they take the competition and if it's worth anything, it has to be run fairly. People are complainingn about the camera work to the BBC, I don't see why this isn't just if not more important.

Can you honestly say a '2' for Peter was "about right" ? Or that Jan didn't improve since last week and if it were her "best" desrved at least one more mark ?

It's just about not letting a Judge get away with being so obviously biased. It's just not fair.
Wingpatrol
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by cazzbar:
“SCD is not the same this series. There is so much back biting - even between the contestants. Now the audience are booing at the result. The judges have to take their fair share of criticism. This could be the last series - I hope not cos I love it - but I think it is going downhill. Is there no-one who can stop it?”


Yes Cazz , a little group disbanded earlier this year!!!

luckyforest
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by ian's no 1 fan:
“i get a bit fed up of judges saying either "that was your best dance" or "best dance of the evening" but then not scoring to relect it,noticed it last year!”

Someone need to teach them English! Or buy them a dictionary.
LaChatteGitane
04-11-2006
Jan has left the building. She should accept that she was the weekest dancer. Nothing to do with Craig. How pittyful she was tonight.

Edited to say : It might have been her best dance, but maybe he over scored her last week, only he didn't get a chance to reply.
Last edited by LaChatteGitane : 04-11-2006 at 22:21
CaptainSensible
04-11-2006
I agree about SCD being a more bitter/negative affair this year. I know it isn't a serious competition in a professional dance or sporting event sense, but there would be much less angst if the judges just gave a little more thought to their marks/comments (or looked at how they marked/commented on previous dances) instead of insisting that they are infallible.
La Rhumba
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by Cat123:
“Jan annoyed me in the results show. :angry:

I'll miss Anton!”

I feel exactly the same. I thought her "are you happy now?" retort to the Judges was totally uneccessary, and quite bitter, she's been highly strung right the way through the series and I completely went off her after those showbizzy tantrums in rehearsal.

There is more to come from Claire, she has the potential to improve, and adds a touch of character to the show and real humour, like her "I've got an offer from Spearmint Rhino and Stringfellows" gag, unlike the *Comedienne* that was Jan. :yawn:

I shall miss Anton too, but look forward to seeing him dance with Erin in the Pro dances. It's likely that Jan & Anton would've been given the Samba next week, and we can all imagine the trauma that would've caused.
carolinelise
04-11-2006
I have to agree about everything said about Craig. He has always been the most honest. Is baby spice hiring him to do her next video or something. Where has all this love come from ?
Jan did better this week, that in it's self is usually a signal that your waving bye bye.
I wish Anton had seemed his happy self this series. He just hasn't been himself.
I felt sure it would be either Claire or Matt leaving tonight.
I am curious to know what Len and Craig feel they need to get off their chests on ITT next week ?
northern_ch1ck
04-11-2006
What a pity Jan didnt see what Brendan was trying to say untill tonight. I'm sure she will reflect and see that he was right all along, even she argued back with Craig tonight.
musicangel
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“Well, I think Jan spoke for me tonight absolutely.

"I hope you're satisified !"

I've always liked Craig, I found him the fairest and most consistent judge and if he gave you a high mark, my goodness you deserved it. Whilst Len and Bruno would just start their marking at 7's and Arlene could let her libido take over, Craig could be reiled up on to keep things on a more sensible level.

Until this series.

I simply can no longer deny that he is absolutely biased and seems to be on a mission to ensure certain couples are evicted regardless of their dance or their improvement. Tonight, despite raving about Peter and Erin's Waltz and saying it was gorgeous indicating he loved it, he only gave them a 6. He gave them a 2 last week despite him remembering every single step and committing to the dance absolutely whilst giving an 8 to a dance which he admitted had absolutely no coirrect basic content.

Most importantly though, as Jan said, he claimed it was her "best" yet and yet did not mark her higher than last week. That is simply a contradiction in it's purest form. If something is "best" that means it has to be "better" than everything that came before it, and as such, it needs to be marked higher. It's just common sense. It seems like whatever Jan did, even if she came out and did a Jill, Craig would not mark her above a 5 becuase he wanted her out of the competition.

That kind of bias, inconsistency and plain cheating if you ask me cannot be acceptable.



Is anyone else thinking of making a complain about him or is it just me ?”


LOL

sorry this was my rant last week!! and yes its totally true! and they arebiased! and to be honest judging by this week they dont give a monkeis who knows about it!
Swonky
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by LaChatteGitane:
“Jan has left the building. She should accept that she was the weekest dancer. Nothing to do with Craig. How pittyful she was tonight. ”

This thread isn't really about whether she should have gone out or not, personally I think it was her time, it's about Craig and his biaeds judging.

If she had gone out with a higher score to reflect "her best yet" then I'm sure she'd have been far happier and gracious, but she was rightly very angry at what she and I felt was a deliberate manipulation to evict her.
Kelpy
04-11-2006
Originally Posted by LaChatteGitane:
“Jan has left the building. She should accept that she was the weekest dancer. Nothing to do with Craig. How pittyful she was tonight. ”

Sorry, I don't think she was the weakest dancer tonight, and I don't think she was pitiful! Craig RH contradicted himself spectacularly with his marking, so if it's weak and pitiful you're after then I suggest you look there first...
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