I think she just came across as bitter and twisted and then realised she had made a faux pas and tried to redeem herself

I don't think she was being bitter; I think she was just very emotional and upset at being voted out, particularly after she got reasonably good comments off the judges.

I feel awful for her- it's horrible to see people crying and not being able to try and help them feel better!

I hope Bruce can.

He is the only one who has been consistently adding value to this show. Tonight he's handled Mark and Karen's disaster beautifully. He's the only one who never stop appreciating the hard work all the dancers have put into this show. In the result bit he reminded the judges to give their PROFESSIONAL opinion and the judges then gave more sensible comments, which then ease the tension, especially between Brendan and the judges.

I think Bruce is the soul of SCD.

Bruce does my head in, but I'm sure he does have the diplomatic skills that you mention... :P

I think the comment to Craig was meant to be a bit of a joke but because she quite emotional it came out or appeared wrong.

If you wanted her to stay you should have voted a couple more times. To me she was the weakest dancer, even last week.
Craig has said before that they cannot score with half points and that that can make a difference. And no, I don't think Craig is pityful.
Jan is very, very bitter and I've noticed it from when this series first started.

It was supposed to be a joke, do you not get it? She's a comedian. Did you hear what she said afterward, it was all sensible and appreciative to Anton. One couldn't possibly switch her emotion so dramatically if it wasn't acting. She was just trying to make fun of Craig.

We've seen several couples saved by the public despite getting bad comments and really low scores. She might as well have hissed "I hope you're satisfied" to the viewers.

She should have left with grace and just smiled. Instead she ended up looking like the last drunk at a wedding reception. (To Anton: sob, sob "I really love you")

I don't think it was to be honest. She was absolutely seething during the "who should go" comments, she's been the only celeb I can think of who has actually challenged the judges ina confrontational manner and had barley concealed anger written all over her face.

She was fuming, she wasn't joking.

We can all nitpick individual scores and I dare say that the judges would add or deduct a mark or two in certain cases if they had more time to assess.

My point is that although the judges individually have their favourites (quite obviously), they generally manage collectively to place the couples in a reasonable order. The rest is left to the vagaries of the public vote.

Er, not if you saw her rehearsal footage over the weeks I wouldn't say that was "a Joke", I think *you* are the one who's not getting it.....what about her remarks to Craig when the Panel was choosing the weakest dancer?

Well, he was the only judge I saw in her video for the CID charity single along with some pro and celeb dancers.

Again, it's not about whether she deserved to go this week - she probably did. It's about Craig's bias. She could have stayed and this thread would still apply.

If a Judge is not being fair, is being biased and not in the spirit of competition something needs to be done.

I completely agree, and a great description. I think Anton, who seems quite a even keel sort of person, was quite thrown during this series by her volatile tantrums during rehearsals. I think receiving criticism was a serious issue for her that she couldn't handle. I'm glad she went and Claire stayed, at least Claire is *having a laugh*.

Yes, but that's not my point with this thread.

If Craig scored a 1 and Bruno a 10, collectively it could still place them in the same position as if thye'd got all 6's or 7's. It's about individual Judge bias, not where the celebs fall in the leader table.

Craig says it's her "best yet" but marks her the same as last week, a total contradition. He raves about Peter's Waltz, but gives it a 6.

Inconsistency between mark and comment and unfiar bias.

Agree wholeheartly

Problem is with your understanding of his marking - not him. Craig doesn't believe in the fantasy marking philolosophy of the GCSE where everyone passes whether thay are stupid or not. He doesn't mark like Len who marks from 6-9 most of the time and and ends up giving mediocrity one mark less than something good. Craig seems to mark pretty consistently on what he sees and if he sees nothing, dramatic or technical that he likes you end up with no marks - if you get through a plodding approximation of the dance looking plainly wrong for all of it with no difficulty you will get 2. if he thinks Emma looks right, did something exciting, tried some difficulty and got most aspects of the performance well he's only going to knock two marks off if her feet are wrong. Thats the way the pluses and minuses come out - its not a competition where everyone starts even on the basics of an exciting performance with common standars of fitness, dynamism, artistic interpretation, flow or difficulty and you have to allow for the varied standard of all aspects of the performance as well as dock points for faults.

The point about the marks was expalined on Take Two last week. The marking scale only has whole marks which means that you have to choose between two - 6 or 7, 7 or 8. If you think Jan is somewhere better than a five but not up to a six one week you have to call it and may give her a six if she was nearer to that. The next week she may be better than a six but clearly not as good as a seven or the people you have given 7 - so you give her 6. Its the same mark but the performance is better - in fact someone with 5.5 may have moved up a whole point to 6.5 but they still will get 6 because you think they were nearer to six than 5 one week and nearer to 6 than 7 the next. Its just what happens if you don't have a scale with decimal points in it. There is no contradiction - just rounding up one week and down the next. Its why most professional markers prefer percentage scales and most sports use the decimal points.
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But this means we have missed Anton's Samba Trousers. They are usually the highlight of my year!!

Dear Anton, if they've already been made, please wear them to ITT. I think we all need a good laugh.

Spot on mate! I would have sent them packing before Georgina, she did improve! Bravo to the Brendan/Claire fan base who although got less marks from the Judges managed to keep their favourites in the show, I don't think Claire would have had a stropp if they got booted last night. Anton's Army let their leader down last night .
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I didnt like what Jan said last night, i've supported them & would have liked them to stay.

But, with her comment, she looked a bit like a spoilt child, maybe she did deserve slightly higher points, but this is SCD, its not meant to be perfect, otherwise why would the viewers get a vote? I agree, she may as well have shouted 'I hope you're happy' to the public who didnt vote for them this week.

Maybe it was a joke? I'm not convinced, hopefully we will hear more from her this week & she can explain her outburst.

Georgina has been much more critisised by the judges, but she left with grace & a smile, which is what I would have liked to have seen from Jan last night.

I think her frustration at the way this series is being marked, came over a bit wrong.

It was time for Jan to go and in a series with such strength in depth, she should have realised that and not been so petulant.

As a couple of people have already posted, you can be a weak six, a medium six or a strong six so just because she doesn't get a higher mark, it doesn't mean she's not done her best dance. It would have been wrong to give her a seven given the scores of the others. Similarly, Peter did very well considering - hence positive comment - but he is not quite in the same league as several of the others.

I agree. Georgina has been a much better contestant than Jan Raven, and she had a lot more to cope with, at least Jan had a lovely partner. Also, I think it was wrong that while she was shouting at the judges she should have brought in her family - that's nothing to do with it.

I think Jan was terribly upset that she wasn't marked higher than last week. I think one point more and she would have been happy and felt a real sense of achievement. I think she was misled by the judges who said it was her best dance and then didn't give a score to back it up. We probably underestimate the amount of work put in by these celebrities and how much it means to them. I know she came across as bitter, but I think it was more an outburst because she was so upset - and lets face it we've all had moments like that in our lives.

Personally I think in the next series its time for a change of judges and we should start a thread picking some new ones

The bias this years is shocking and it really is spoiling the show for me.