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"I hope you're satisfied" : Craig
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PeachUK
05-11-2006
This is kind of off-topic...BUT ever since seeing the title of this thread last night I've been singing a line "I hope you're happy... I hope you're happy.." and it has been bugging me what it is from.. but I've figured it out. It's from 'Wicked'.

Just thought I'd share that with you as it has frustrated me everytime I see the thread on the main page

Peach
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c4k
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by LaChatteGitane:
“Jan has left the building. She should accept that she was the weekest dancer. Nothing to do with Craig. How pittyful she was tonight.

Edited to say : It might have been her best dance, but maybe he over scored her last week, only he didn't get a chance to reply.”


TBH, you as a judge can't compensate for over scoring, Brendan was right, he called the sky blue (saying it was her best dance) and judged it for being pink (not giving her a good score)

Jan had every right, and was not the weakest dancer, evidently judging by Claire and Brendan's score
The Swampster
05-11-2006
I didn't see Jan complaining the week she tottered through the jive and Spoony got ejected. Over the past three weeks, she's been the worst dancer (with the possible exception of Georgina - though Georgina never actually fell on her backside) and Craig's marks have been kind compared with those he's dished out to some (Peter and Erin spring to mind). Anton's a nice guy but frankly I'm glad to see the back of her.
Austen1984
05-11-2006
I was really irritated with Jan - why the outburst?

Craig is damned either way. He doesn't want to give her a high mark - if he's horrible they say he's spiteful, when he tries to find something positive to say then he's criticised.

Maybe the dance that Jan did this week (the waltz) was easier then the dance she had to do last week and therefore she danced it better - making it her personal best, but not justifying higher marks.

I think she came over as bitter. Did she think she deserved to stay? Who was a worse dancer then her?

Good riddance!
I&J Fan
05-11-2006
I did think she was rather undignified in the way she bowed-out last night, but I felt having her boys there must've been an influence as well (as a sort of 'I will not be humiliated on the night by sons have come to watch me without a fight'), though I did feel the bitterness towards Craig has been building despite her jokey replies to his comments. It wasn't great to watch.
Agent Krycek
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by Austen1984:
“I was really irritated with Jan - why the outburst?

Craig is damned either way. He doesn't want to give her a high mark - if he's horrible they say he's spiteful, when he tries to find something positive to say then he's criticised.

Maybe the dance that Jan did this week (the waltz) was easier then the dance she had to do last week and therefore she danced it better - making it her personal best, but not justifying higher marks.

I think she came over as bitter. Did she think she deserved to stay? Who was a worse dancer then her?

Good riddance!”

And if what Craig said is true about what went on after the show is true, I'm even more pleased she's gone. The outburst was unnecessary, uncalled for and she lost all my respect with it - Georgina had far more to cope with, both with the judges and with her partner, and behaved beautifully at all times.
I&J Fan
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“And if what Craig said is true about what went on after the show is true, I'm even more pleased she's gone.”


Sorry if I'm being slow, but I must've missed this--what allegedly went on after the show?
FionaH
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by I&J Fan:
“Sorry if I'm being slow, but I must've missed this--what allegedly went on after the show?”

He was on Something for the Weekend this morning - Jan had a go at him in the bar afterwards, and her hubby/fella literally attacked him - pushing him around etc!
I&J Fan
05-11-2006
Wow. I knew there was no love lost between them, but that's just ridiculous. Never mind Arlene "losing all perspective", what about Jan?
Last edited by I&J Fan : 05-11-2006 at 11:15
LinoleicAcid
05-11-2006
Eek.

This does not sound good...

DS, please give us news.
DancingTeach
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Problem is with your understanding of his marking - not him. Craig doesn't believe in the fantasy marking philolosophy of the GCSE where everyone passes whether thay are stupid or not. He doesn't mark like Len who marks from 6-9 most of the time and and ends up giving mediocrity one mark less than something good. Craig seems to mark pretty consistently on what he sees and if he sees nothing, dramatic or technical that he likes you end up with no marks - if you get through a plodding approximation of the dance looking plainly wrong for all of it with no difficulty you will get 2. if he thinks Emma looks right, did something exciting, tried some difficulty and got most aspects of the performance well he's only going to knock two marks off if her feet are wrong. Thats the way the pluses and minuses come out - its not a competition where everyone starts even on the basics of an exciting performance with common standars of fitness, dynamism, artistic interpretation, flow or difficulty and you have to allow for the varied standard of all aspects of the performance as well as dock points for faults.

The point about the marks was expalined on Take Two last week. The marking scale only has whole marks which means that you have to choose between two - 6 or 7, 7 or 8. If you think Jan is somewhere better than a five but not up to a six one week you have to call it and may give her a six if she was nearer to that. The next week she may be better than a six but clearly not as good as a seven or the people you have given 7 - so you give her 6. Its the same mark but the performance is better - in fact someone with 5.5 may have moved up a whole point to 6.5 but they still will get 6 because you think they were nearer to six than 5 one week and nearer to 6 than 7 the next. Its just what happens if you don't have a scale with decimal points in it. There is no contradiction - just rounding up one week and down the next. Its why most professional markers prefer percentage scales and most sports use the decimal points.”

Being an examiner and one who writes the papers for GCSE, plus attending grade award meetings which start at 0900hrs and have at times gone on untill after 2400hrs. At which we ensure we maintain standards year on year plus ensure the paper and responses are correct, I am not happy with you saying we pass all, we do not pass all. I think you should get your facts straight before you make an example.

Craig on the whole does a good job with his marking and I would agree with him on most of his marking. I also agree that any judge could be focused on a different aspect of the dance and this may make their marking seem odd at times but they are not able to see a play back and then award the marks.
xadie
05-11-2006
I don't think Jan had a go at him, I thought he said that she refused to talk to him then ran off? Then it seems that her man got angry and started pushing Craig.

I think Jan's behaviour was unsporting but excusable, but her fella's behaviour was unacceptable.
FionaH
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by xadie:
“I don't think Jan had a go at him, I thought he said that she refused to talk to him then ran off? Then it seems that her man got angry and started pushing Craig.

I think Jan's behaviour was unsporting but excusable, but her fella's behaviour was unacceptable.”

Oh yeah, that was it!
betty73
05-11-2006
Morning all. Felt I needed to add my bit. I am a big fan of Anton since his partnership with Lesley Garrett in series one. Really wanted Anton and Jan to stay last night. (Anton more so) However having just rewatched the results show I have gone right off Jan. When Bruce said to Jan i'm know you would like to thank Anton. Jan spoke in a voice akinned with i'm choked up/about to burst into tears, she had a go at the judges (as we all know). Her next sentence was in her normal voice-far too quickly in dispelling choked up voice. She came across as an actress and bitter. Shame on you Jan!
FionaH
05-11-2006
Anton didn't deserve someone like her - I hope he gets a decent partner next year...
Lesley
05-11-2006
I'm going to miss Anton (hope to see him dancing with Erin though in the results show, always a treat). I liked Jan until last night - she lost her dignity and came across as bitter.
Austen1984
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by FionaH:
“He was on Something for the Weekend this morning - Jan had a go at him in the bar afterwards, and her hubby/fella literally attacked him - pushing him around etc!”


How awful and childish of them! She didn't seem to realise that it was the PUBLIC that voted her out and didn't want her!
killickswife
05-11-2006
I think Jan did look slightly undignified but I think she was just really upset and hurt to be out. But she should have been out in the jive week so really she's got nothing to moan about. I don't see why Craig get's all the stick from the celebs all the time. I think he is a very fair judge, and it's just ridiculous for her husband to have a go at him. Jan should just get over it.
Tango Trish
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by FionaH:
“He was on Something for the Weekend this morning - Jan had a go at him in the bar afterwards, and her hubby/fella literally attacked him - pushing him around etc!”

Oooh missed that - what channel was it on and at what time?
Lukey37
05-11-2006
It was on BBC2 10am
FionaH
05-11-2006
Originally Posted by killickswife:
“I think Jan did look slightly undignified but I think she was just really upset and hurt to be out. But she should have been out in the jive week so really she's got nothing to moan about. I don't see why Craig get's all the stick from the celebs all the time. I think he is a very fair judge, and it's just ridiculous for her husband to have a go at him. Jan should just get over it.”

It makes me respect Georgina for going out in such a positive way - she was so happy to have gone out on a high.
sarah-flute
05-11-2006
Yes.

I can well understand she was upset, but she behaved childishly and unprofessionally, the whole "hope you're happy now" thing just made her look bitter and immature.
rita1
05-11-2006
I like Anton very much. Was sorry to see him go out and thought he looked very, very upset when the vote was announced, but recovered quickly and well. I hope he gets a good partner next time - he deserves a lot better.
ashley85
05-11-2006
She lost all perspective - isn't the whole point of SCD to improve your public profile, she came across so badly last night, bitter and a very bad loser.
LinoleicAcid
05-11-2006
Re-watched the results a bit ago.

Whoever compared her to the mad drunk left at the wedding reception was spot on...

I think she just got a bit too emotional...

If only she'd been calm and gracious, Georgina style.
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