I didn't like Jan's comments about "Karma" the previous week either. It may have been a "joke", but it was in bad taste if it was.

It's the judges' job to be critical.

It's not the job of the contestants to bitch back.

Good point!

they were all deadly quiet when brendan said that,but hang on its happeneing to different couples each week,last week it was peter,this week jan!

I'm begining to believe that the judges are trying to "outwit" the public voting. Instead of voting each dance as they see it,they purposely low-mark those they want out of the comp, no matter how their dance went and high mark those they want to keep in, no matter how they dance. I think this is what the professionals have realised too.
Shame on the judges.

>It seems like whatever Jan did, even if she came out and did a Jill, Craig would not mark her above a 5 becuase he wanted her out of the competition. >

Hmm. Possibly. Interesting thread & thanks for starting it.


But I think the pivotal point and problem with Craig this series isn't who he wants out....but that he is so blatantly and unabashedly biased in who he wants IN. Emma Bunten.

I have got nothing against Ms Bunten. I have nothing against Craig either - in fact, I agree with the poster starting this thread; Craig did use to be the fairest, albeit not the most delicately worded, judge. But what is this stupid swooning he has going on with Emma Bunton??? He seems like a foolish, star struck teenager. C'mon man, get a grip.

And if looking moronic and biased doesn't bother him.... he actually ain't doing his beloved Emma a favour, either. How enjoyable can a high mark be if there is doubt ....whether you have earned it fairly?

Looking a fool is his prerogative, being totally unprofessional isn't. The judges opinion should represent their PROFESSIONAL expertise on a given dance. Not a personal opinion on a given person. It should be more than just " I like you better than... you over there.". Somebody ought to have a little chat with Craig....and then fire him.

Well done to Craig!! Jan was acting like a spoiled child - she should apologise! It's dancing and she should have watched the previous shows before accepting the wonderful oppurtunity to learn
Maybe they should pick someone from this forum to dance with Karen!! Me!!!

Two right! Perhaps Anton should have given her lessons in TV persona, he would exceed at that imo.

I've just watched it again and I'm pretty shocked at how childish Jan was: really let herself ~ and Anton ~ down.

I can appreciate why Jan was upset and Craig could possibly have given her one more point, though I still think she would have gone.

sje should have taken it in good grace and her hubby certainly shouldn't have got involved afterwards.

I think Jan was taking things a bit too seriously at the end of it. In the scheme of things, is it really that big a deal? She got the least votes, so she's out.

I'm getting a bit fed up with the contestants thinking they don't deserve any criticism and the audience booing at every negative comment. If they're rubbish, they're rubbish - it has to be said.

I thought she acted like a child. Very embarrasing. I felt sorry for Anton.

The thing is, she really was one of the worst celeb dancers left in the competition, so I would like to ask her who she thought should have gone if not her? IMO she seemed to think she was better than she really was.

Deluded and ungratious

I can understand Jan's frustration at Craig's obvious inconsistency. I regularly mark people for something else on a scale of 1 to 10 and there is plenty scope in that. What you don't do to someone is to say that their performance was the best ever and give it the same mark as the week before. I think he made a mistake.

I suspect Jan may be mortified about her outburst because it kind of took over and didn't give her the chance to fully express her obvious appreciation of Anton.

I have a lot of time for Craig - he makes me laugh and is usually reasonably fair - but we mucked up last night. He shouldn't have been pushed about, though - I think we all agree that's completely unacceptably.

BTW, I'm not sure that "dude" is the most appropriate description of Anton:=)

how pathetic is that! makes me glad she was kicked out, this isn't what raising money for CIN is about

I thought her eldest son was being a bit bitchy during the 2nd show, whith his Arlene was clapping out of time rubbish

Very good point- I've been wondering about that too. I suppose the judges have a lot more influence than we may be led to believe...

I really don't think Jan did it on purpose; I think she was probably just overcome with the emotions of it all, lashed out at Craig, then realised her place and that she was live on national television, so composed herself to talk about Anton

I think any decent human being should be able to compose themselves in that situation . Not in the case of Brendan, who stuck up for all the other competitors. She was acting very childish indeed. Caring only about herself (not about the CIN) and forgetting that she was letting herself down in a big way. Anger management springs to mind

I got the first bit wrong - Jan actually ignored Craig when he went up to talk to her, and walked away - but that is just as immature in my book!

Ah ok still immature, act with grace Jan! but my comment was more based on her hubby/fella pushing him completely and utterly unacceptable!

I think Jan came over awful after that outburst.

This interpretation changes everything you first claimed happened! Can you please confirm if her hubby indeed attack Craig?

Thanks

Yes, Craig definately said that her man pushed him....

I do apologise! I was so shocked at hearing Craig talk about it, I forgot what Jans part in it was!

Plus it was clarified much earlier in the thread that I had misheard, but everyone keeps quoting that post!
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I see your point and indeed have come to thesame conclusion myself but if this really is the method they use in scoring, I believe Craig was wrong for giving Emma an 8 last week!

Thanks .

Do you know if there's a thread discussing this very issue? I would like to get a blow by blow account of what Craig actually said

Theres the Craig is on Something For The Weekend thread - thats when we were watching him live, but as it was this morning I can't remember what was said in it!

From what i can recall

- Craig goes up to Jan and Jan turns away and walks off.
- Jans husband started to push Craig.

I always thought there was something slightly unlikeable about Jan - her tears and outburst in rehersels didn't seem the tired-tears from the other celebrities - but simply a self indulgent ego rant!

I find her comments to Craig about karma unfunny and her delivery awkward.

She KEPT repeating what the bloody words of the song 'meant to her' in a bid to try and be touching - just irritating

She came over as fake and bitter!

Its a dance show for charity - grow up!

She stayed in longer then others and she felt she deserved more marks - Craig has said on ITT that he wishes he could mark more specifically like 5.4 or 5.6 - because sometimes dancers are better but not a whole mark better!

She was a drama queen!

Craig didn't get her out, THE PUBLIC DID!!!!!!!!

I think Craig is brutally honest and 9/10 brutal honesty comes over as rude.
I think the judges can forget the celebs aren't dancers, most have never learned to dance properly and it can be hard, because they find it easy and natural doesn't mean everyone else does.

I think it was only natural her children were going to stick up for their mum, her husband though - that was just plain silly! All Craig did was try to praise her but give her the same mark as last week.

I actually expected better behaviour from Jan. She got a chance to go on a v.popular show, got a chance to be Jan and not an impression of someone else. She got a chance to learn from a very good professional dancer, she got to wear fab dresses and have her makeup done, her hair put up and have a really great time! She just sounded bitter and thats a shame.