I love Karen dont get me wrong, but does anyone think she may be a demanding diva??
think people are going to call me for this but......
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I have to say in PAST series I have found her crying unneccessary (the bit where she got Tess to read out her goodbye bit was rubbish) - but I think she's been okay this series.
Which bits do you think she was demanding? (Genuinely interested - not attacking ;o)
I think she was really apolegetic during the screw up - and while she had to stop it wasn't her that demanded to redo it
Her comment that she wanted 'to teach the world to dance' sounded as if she was saying she was such a wonderful teacher - but I think (THINK) she was trying to compliment Marc - although it almost didn't come off like that!
Which bits do you think she was demanding? (Genuinely interested - not attacking ;o)
I think she was really apolegetic during the screw up - and while she had to stop it wasn't her that demanded to redo it
Her comment that she wanted 'to teach the world to dance' sounded as if she was saying she was such a wonderful teacher - but I think (THINK) she was trying to compliment Marc - although it almost didn't come off like that!
Originally Posted by Austen1984:
“I have to say in PAST series I have found her crying unneccessary (the bit where she got Tess to read out her goodbye bit was rubbish) - but I think she's been okay this series.
Which bits do you think she was demanding? (Genuinely interested - not attacking ;o)
I think she was really apolegetic during the screw up - and while she had to stop it wasn't her that demanded to redo it
Her comment that she wanted 'to teach the world to dance' sounded as if she was saying she was such a wonderful teacher - but I think (THINK) she was trying to compliment Marc - although it almost didn't come off like that!”
“I have to say in PAST series I have found her crying unneccessary (the bit where she got Tess to read out her goodbye bit was rubbish) - but I think she's been okay this series.
Which bits do you think she was demanding? (Genuinely interested - not attacking ;o)
I think she was really apolegetic during the screw up - and while she had to stop it wasn't her that demanded to redo it
Her comment that she wanted 'to teach the world to dance' sounded as if she was saying she was such a wonderful teacher - but I think (THINK) she was trying to compliment Marc - although it almost didn't come off like that!”
I took the 'I'd like to teach the world to dance' (to the tune of the coke advert!) statement as just being on a complete high after a great performance - and the fact that she loves dancing so much she would like to share that with others.
Having said that, I'd love to see her try to teach Mr Mindy to trip the light fandango!
I think she'd soon give it up as a bad job.
dont know like i say i do really like karen shes lovely but i just think that maybe she could be a bit of a diva, i mean didnt she come out of retirement to do SCD? Do you think maybe if the microphone saga had happenend to anyone else (thinking of the lillia incident last year) if they would have started again?
I love her to bits though so dont get me wrong it just seems maybe she has demands
I love her to bits though so dont get me wrong it just seems maybe she has demands
Wow - there's some cynics here!
I think Karen is lovely. She comes across as sweet but determined and she's obviously a good teacher. From what I've read on other threads from people who actually know her, I would say that she's very genuine. Of course I don't doubt that she has a 'bad' side (it's what's called being 'human'. If you ever caught me when I'm showing my bad side, you'd probably run screaming for the hills! But we're all complex individuals, with many different faces. It's what makes mankind so rich and diverse).
As for her comment of how she'd like to teach the world to dance - all it brought to my mind was an old song called 'I'd like to teach the world to sing' - and it was obviously said in a moment of exhilaration, and because she loves dancing so much that she wanted everyone to experience what she was feeling at that point in time!
And, having watched this again last night I can categorically state that it wasn't Karen who asked for the fresh start. It was Mark! She looked devastated because she obviously thought it was all over for them! However, Mark begged Bruce to let them start again as she held out the mic cable to show what had happened.
And why should coming out of retirement to be on SCD make her a diva? Does that mean that all the pros who agreed to take part (some of whom may have been in retirement prior to the first series), are divas, too? Maybe she just wanted to join her contemporaries in something that looked like a blast!
She'd more or less retired because she was married and had a baby - if you read her site story, you'll find an amazing lady (even though I don't know her personally she comes across as warm and nice!).
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I think Karen is lovely. She comes across as sweet but determined and she's obviously a good teacher. From what I've read on other threads from people who actually know her, I would say that she's very genuine. Of course I don't doubt that she has a 'bad' side (it's what's called being 'human'. If you ever caught me when I'm showing my bad side, you'd probably run screaming for the hills! But we're all complex individuals, with many different faces. It's what makes mankind so rich and diverse).
As for her comment of how she'd like to teach the world to dance - all it brought to my mind was an old song called 'I'd like to teach the world to sing' - and it was obviously said in a moment of exhilaration, and because she loves dancing so much that she wanted everyone to experience what she was feeling at that point in time!
And, having watched this again last night I can categorically state that it wasn't Karen who asked for the fresh start. It was Mark! She looked devastated because she obviously thought it was all over for them! However, Mark begged Bruce to let them start again as she held out the mic cable to show what had happened.
And why should coming out of retirement to be on SCD make her a diva? Does that mean that all the pros who agreed to take part (some of whom may have been in retirement prior to the first series), are divas, too? Maybe she just wanted to join her contemporaries in something that looked like a blast!
She'd more or less retired because she was married and had a baby - if you read her site story, you'll find an amazing lady (even though I don't know her personally she comes across as warm and nice!).
Last edited by Cally's mum : 06-11-2006 at 15:01
Originally Posted by Cally's mum:
“Wow - there's some cynics here!
I think Karen is lovely. She comes across as sweet but determined and she's obviously a good teacher. From what I've read on other threads from people who actually know her, I would say that she's very genuine. Of course I don't doubt that she has a 'bad' side (it's what's called being 'human'. If you ever caught me when I'm showing my bad side, you'd probably run screaming for the hills! But we're all complex individuals, with many different faces. It's what makes mankind so rich and diverse).
As for her comment of how she'd like to teach the world to dance - all it brought to my mind was an old song called 'I'd like to teach the world to sing' - and it was obviously said in a moment of exhilaration, and because she loves dancing so much that she wanted everyone to experience what she was feeling at that point in time!”
“Wow - there's some cynics here!
I think Karen is lovely. She comes across as sweet but determined and she's obviously a good teacher. From what I've read on other threads from people who actually know her, I would say that she's very genuine. Of course I don't doubt that she has a 'bad' side (it's what's called being 'human'. If you ever caught me when I'm showing my bad side, you'd probably run screaming for the hills! But we're all complex individuals, with many different faces. It's what makes mankind so rich and diverse).
As for her comment of how she'd like to teach the world to dance - all it brought to my mind was an old song called 'I'd like to teach the world to sing' - and it was obviously said in a moment of exhilaration, and because she loves dancing so much that she wanted everyone to experience what she was feeling at that point in time!
”
That's the same as I thought!
(2 posts up!)
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“That's the same as I thought! (2 posts up!)”
“That's the same as I thought!
(2 posts up!)”
Sorry, Mindyann! I obviously hadn't read the thread properly - were you humming it in your mind afterward, too??
(Then again, it was difficult to be focused on anything after that dance!!!!)
I've had it running through my head for the entire weekend - thanks for that Karen!
(and after dancing like that with her partner I can totally understand why she felt a bit giddy!)
(and after dancing like that with her partner I can totally understand why she felt a bit giddy!)
If you mean demanding in the fact that she probably demands her pupils put in as much effort and dedication as she does, the yes.
If you mean Diva in the true sense of the word the no, she's not a operatic singer, but she is at the top of her game, so is probably a dance diva. If you mean the much misused - shouting, crying and screaming to get her way, then nope, not at all.
As for her crying, I think she just wears her heart on her sleeve.
If you mean Diva in the true sense of the word the no, she's not a operatic singer, but she is at the top of her game, so is probably a dance diva. If you mean the much misused - shouting, crying and screaming to get her way, then nope, not at all.
As for her crying, I think she just wears her heart on her sleeve.
I think she's very, erm, 'theatrical'!
Then again, dancing is a very tough and demanding profession, which requires a strong character.
She doesn't look as scary as Erin, though!!
Then again, dancing is a very tough and demanding profession, which requires a strong character.
She doesn't look as scary as Erin, though!!
If you think she's a diva you should read the 'about Karen' part on her website. It brought a tear to my eye and it made me like her very much. And I wasn't a huge fan of her last series.
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“I've had it running through my head for the entire weekend - thanks for that Karen!
(and after dancing like that with her partner I can totally understand why she felt a bit giddy!)”
“I've had it running through my head for the entire weekend - thanks for that Karen!
(and after dancing like that with her partner I can totally understand why she felt a bit giddy!)”
Yeah - try humming that one interspersed with 'The Scissor Sisters' .... and then you'll be very confused!!!
(as Mindyann said - 'thanks for that, Karen'! I also have this picture in my mind of lots of people running around on a hill ... from the advert ..)
Demanding Diva..... yeah right! She's a committed individual who loves to dance and enjoys teaching others to dance not just Mark. All the other professionals are the same I'm sure you need a tough mind and discipline to be a dancer. A diva in the sense of screaming, stomping around like a five year old No. She isn't. With that kind of attitude no one let alone a dancer is going to get far, people would not tolerate that kind of crap for one second.
I thought the "I'd like to teach the world to dance" was a very cheesy comment, but to me it was clear it just came out of the exhilaration of the moment, she had just had such a great time dancing that routine, she was on a high.
She comes across to me as very genuine. Yes, she has a desire to win (which of the pros doesn't) but I don't think she's a diva in the sense I think you mean.
The getting Tess to read her goodbye last year - looking back at their partnership, they got on so well - she came out of retirement to do it (I seem to recall on ITT or something similar they showed her reaction when she came off the dancefloor - she wasn't expecting to react so much, and she was in bits), she didn't expect the public response to Bill, she didn't expect to have such a good time, she didn't expect to get such a great friendship with her partner. She wasn't trying to get votes or whatever at that point - she was already out. I thought she seemed genuinely moved, and giving a note to Tess was her way of NOT making a scene by bursting into floods of tears.
She comes across to me as very genuine. Yes, she has a desire to win (which of the pros doesn't) but I don't think she's a diva in the sense I think you mean.
The getting Tess to read her goodbye last year - looking back at their partnership, they got on so well - she came out of retirement to do it (I seem to recall on ITT or something similar they showed her reaction when she came off the dancefloor - she wasn't expecting to react so much, and she was in bits), she didn't expect the public response to Bill, she didn't expect to have such a good time, she didn't expect to get such a great friendship with her partner. She wasn't trying to get votes or whatever at that point - she was already out. I thought she seemed genuinely moved, and giving a note to Tess was her way of NOT making a scene by bursting into floods of tears.
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“I thought the "I'd like to teach the world to dance" was a very cheesy comment, but to me it was clear it just came out of the exhilaration of the moment, she had just had such a great time dancing that routine, she was on a high.
She comes across to me as very genuine. Yes, she has a desire to win (which of the pros doesn't) but I don't think she's a diva in the sense I think you mean.
The getting Tess to read her goodbye last year - looking back at their partnership, they got on so well - she came out of retirement to do it (I seem to recall on ITT or something similar they showed her reaction when she came off the dancefloor - she wasn't expecting to react so much, and she was in bits), she didn't expect the public response to Bill, she didn't expect to have such a good time, she didn't expect to get such a great friendship with her partner. She wasn't trying to get votes or whatever at that point - she was already out. I thought she seemed genuinely moved, and giving a note to Tess was her way of NOT making a scene by bursting into floods of tears.”
“I thought the "I'd like to teach the world to dance" was a very cheesy comment, but to me it was clear it just came out of the exhilaration of the moment, she had just had such a great time dancing that routine, she was on a high.
She comes across to me as very genuine. Yes, she has a desire to win (which of the pros doesn't) but I don't think she's a diva in the sense I think you mean.
The getting Tess to read her goodbye last year - looking back at their partnership, they got on so well - she came out of retirement to do it (I seem to recall on ITT or something similar they showed her reaction when she came off the dancefloor - she wasn't expecting to react so much, and she was in bits), she didn't expect the public response to Bill, she didn't expect to have such a good time, she didn't expect to get such a great friendship with her partner. She wasn't trying to get votes or whatever at that point - she was already out. I thought she seemed genuinely moved, and giving a note to Tess was her way of NOT making a scene by bursting into floods of tears.”
I know, Sarah. I don't know about her being in bits. I was in absolute floods of tears during that bit! I don't think I recovered for hours! She actually details it on her site - and it brought it all back!
Originally Posted by Austen1984:
“I have to say in PAST series I have found her crying unneccessary (the bit where she got Tess to read out her goodbye bit was rubbish) - but I think she's been okay this series.
Which bits do you think she was demanding? (Genuinely interested - not attacking ;o)
I think she was really apolegetic during the screw up - and while she had to stop it wasn't her that demanded to redo it
Her comment that she wanted 'to teach the world to dance' sounded as if she was saying she was such a wonderful teacher - but I think (THINK) she was trying to compliment Marc - although it almost didn't come off like that!”
“I have to say in PAST series I have found her crying unneccessary (the bit where she got Tess to read out her goodbye bit was rubbish) - but I think she's been okay this series.
Which bits do you think she was demanding? (Genuinely interested - not attacking ;o)
I think she was really apolegetic during the screw up - and while she had to stop it wasn't her that demanded to redo it
Her comment that she wanted 'to teach the world to dance' sounded as if she was saying she was such a wonderful teacher - but I think (THINK) she was trying to compliment Marc - although it almost didn't come off like that!”
Can i refer you to her website www.karenhardy.com
You should read her story about her Career, then you will understand the crying last year.
Karen is the ultimate professional and has a strong passion for dance. When has she ever demanded anything on SCD.
The show would not be as good without her personality and choreography.
Never really thought of Karen as a diva……she is very committed and enthusiastic – but I don't see her as demanding or arrogant. Mark and Karen are not my personal favourites but I have a lot of respect for both of them and given the support they have believe they will win.
Totally not a diva. She has a passion for dance that I wish everyone could have. Especially the whinging girls in my class!
Originally Posted by ian's no 1 fan:
“dont know like i say i do really like karen shes lovely but i just think that maybe she could be a bit of a diva, i mean didnt she come out of retirement to do SCD? Do you think maybe if the microphone saga had happenend to anyone else (thinking of the lillia incident last year) if they would have started again?
I love her to bits though so dont get me wrong it just seems maybe she has demands”
“dont know like i say i do really like karen shes lovely but i just think that maybe she could be a bit of a diva, i mean didnt she come out of retirement to do SCD? Do you think maybe if the microphone saga had happenend to anyone else (thinking of the lillia incident last year) if they would have started again?
I love her to bits though so dont get me wrong it just seems maybe she has demands”
I didn't notice Karen demanding anything. She has been lovely all the way through. I really don't know where this is coming from, but I really don't like where this is heading. And a wardrobe malfunction is a little bit different from being tied up with the microphone wire. Mark's microphone wire was wrapped around Karen, there was absolutely NO way that they could've continued. They tried but it didn't work, they even tried to get rid of the microphone and wire, but that didn't happen either. They had to stop dancing and get rid of the damn thing.
Originally Posted by ian's no 1 fan:
“dont know like i say i do really like karen shes lovely but i just think that maybe she could be a bit of a diva, i mean didnt she come out of retirement to do SCD? Do you think maybe if the microphone saga had happenend to anyone else (thinking of the lillia incident last year) if they would have started again?
I love her to bits though so dont get me wrong it just seems maybe she has demands”
“dont know like i say i do really like karen shes lovely but i just think that maybe she could be a bit of a diva, i mean didnt she come out of retirement to do SCD? Do you think maybe if the microphone saga had happenend to anyone else (thinking of the lillia incident last year) if they would have started again?
I love her to bits though so dont get me wrong it just seems maybe she has demands”
But it was Mark who asked to dance again, not Karen, she was speechless, apologising and fairly distraught about what had happened - how does that make Karen a diva or demanding, if that claim could be levelled at anyone, then surely it should be at Mark
I love Karen, she's my favourite pro dancer. I find her attitude brilliant, and she always puts a smile on my face, and if I were the guy, I'd be genuinely happy to ahve a person like her teaching me.
Personally, I found her 'I'd like to teach the world to dance' comment absolutely adorable and really endearing, and not in the slightest arrogant - she was saying that she was having a hell of a lot of fun and wished she could give everyone else the opportunity to have that much fun too.
As for the mic mishap; it was entirely not their fault, why shouldn't they redo it? It's a close dance and they have to have the mic on, it's not like they were ill prepared with their clothing.
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Personally, I found her 'I'd like to teach the world to dance' comment absolutely adorable and really endearing, and not in the slightest arrogant - she was saying that she was having a hell of a lot of fun and wished she could give everyone else the opportunity to have that much fun too.
As for the mic mishap; it was entirely not their fault, why shouldn't they redo it? It's a close dance and they have to have the mic on, it's not like they were ill prepared with their clothing.
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What evidence is this diva idea based on exactly? She seemed too distraught over what happened to really say anything, apologising profusely etc, Mark was the one who stepped up and she did apologise again to Bruce.
Originally Posted by ian's no 1 fan:
“I love Karen dont get me wrong, but does anyone think she may be a demanding diva??”
“I love Karen dont get me wrong, but does anyone think she may be a demanding diva??”
Thats an easy one.... no!
She is someone who is obviously in love with dance, and can bring out the best in her partner - her smile lights up a room, and her good humour is infectious. Looks to me like a really nice girl indeed!
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