I was chatting about this with a huge SCD fan, mate today.

Do you feel with the old GBP that the celebs and dancers cannot win?

Take Karen and Mark. If they had stopped and not been allowed to continue, a lot of people would have got cross that Karen stopped it, as they wanted to see the dance.

The fact they were allowed to start again (not knowing that) has led to a lot of comments that Karen is a diva and has set a precedent.

Then take Emma. She has been involved with charity for years (I still remember the spice girl/French and Saunders take off for comic relief) yet in some quarters, she is only on SCD to raise her profile (to be honest...who isn't, it is naive to think otherwise, or they just wouldn't go on it I think, if they wanted to hide) and by doing the CIN single she is now apparently 'desperate'. Yet if she had turned it down, people would moan that she is not giving her all to charity and was a sour puss.

Matt and Carole, her manager came on here to thank everyone and give links to behind the scenes cams. i thought that was pretty nice, and it didn't influence my vote at all, but at least they thanked us, and also, gave links to stuff we might want to see. Others saw it as vote winning tactics. All planned just to get us to vote Carol. But if she hadn't done that, she would have been lumped in with those of us who said, 'how nice a celeb actually did say thanks. I wish they all did that.'

I could actually go into this in pretty much every couple in SCD ever. But I won't.

I just like who I like, give them all a fair hearing (even Brendan who is not my favourite) and tend to judge on improvement, hard work and dancing ability first and foremost.

Do you think that honestly, no couple could ever win with the GBP?

I also, as I said last night, think this may all backfire as the beeb may start to not care what the GBP think. It is a great show, they are winning ratings, and why do they care what a few people who actually go on forums or e-mail think....when we contradict ourselves half the time! (I mean we..including me.)

Done now.

Bugger..I wanted to edit my forst post so as not to 'bump' it but time ran out.

Just adding that Claudia also is in that bracket as with my lurking, she had years or people moaning at her nude lipstick (I like it) and now she has changed, people are not so keen.

Maybe they do take note of these boards.

In which case, love the sharp fringe tonight!

I agree with everything you said.

Contrary lot, aren't we?!

I thought her lipstick looked awful tonight, she looked as if she had put it on in the dark...go back to the nude Claudia.

I loved the lippy.

But lurking last year the majority hated her nude lippy!

Fickle fickle fickle!

(I like it btw)

You are right Coody Mow.

I'll start by saying how much I like Claudia with dark lippy. It defines her lips in a way that the frosted stuff never did. And it frames her smile. I do hope she doesn't go back.

As for the GBP - you can never please all of the people all of the time. There are always going to be naysayers no matter who does what.

Zoe is a good case in point. She danced beautifully, looked elegant in the Ballroom and really tried hard. For this she got flak - I couldn't believe it!

Coody Mow you are right about everyone bashing somebody for something but unfortunately with such a cross section of opinion this will always happen, whether on a forum or in the broad outside world.

It's just human nature isn't it.
People pick their favourites - in this or any other competitive field - and by and large, their favourite is always battling against the odds and unfair critisicm and the rest are being allowed a free ride and cut yards and yards of slack.

So, refs are always biased towards Man U (or Chelsea or Arsenal or Juventas or ...)
Umpires are always biased - aaaccctttuualllyyy best not go there!

Well I just read a comment on here that Emma should have just done a charity single yet not told anyone about it....as she is going for publicity doing the CIN single?

Emma is my 4th/5th favourite but bloody hell....how can she win with the whole charity thing? I think it is bizarre?

How do you raise cash for charity if you tell no one...just a thought.

I don't mind the opinions or anything...no one can like everyone.

I just think (see my last post) that alot of people forget what this is for, charity and entertainment, and then really get on some of the dancers cases.

Like someone or not...there are alot of dancers I do not like. I just tend to not post negative comments about them and their ego's/personal lifes, etc as I am too busy talking about the ones I like.

CM, I agree - it seems if anyone is too good they can do nothing right.

Bah. Just seen another example of this on the board tonight and it's doing my head in

I was quite shocked when people were complaining about influencing votes because Carol and her manager thanked her fans. They did not have to do that and when they did some people on this forum started to turn against Carol.

Love these posts Coody Mow! And pretty much agree with you

At the end of the day it is not like each person says one thing and then contradicts themselves a bit later on by saying the exact opposite. That is the point of the discussion forum to give your points of view, and while some may think Karen is a diva, others will think she was justified in stopping. That's the way these things work - the only thing you should worry about is when people get bitchy and nasty which I think is what your post should be about.

And anyway the BBC never listen to the public anyway!

Nat
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It's called human nature, for example some think Emma is in it for the publicity, while probably just as many don't. BUT it is also human nature that those who shout loudest get their voices heard and tend to convince the majority to agree with them or just shut up.

Heck if this didn't happen we woud just sit here like nodding automotons.

The problem is that these boards show quite a lot of that behaviour - which reflects more to me on the characters of the (admittedly few - but unfortunately prolific!) posters than it does on those they are bitching about. Sadly, those easily swayed by such attitudes are going to find something in such posts to agree with (not to mention the more people post about how terrible someone is/how much they hate them, the more ingrained it becomes and the more others start to agree with them even if they have no idea why. It's also how religion and politics and advertising works! Tell someone something often enough and they'll start to believe it).

Coody, I agree with everything you say. Unfortunately, the human race is badly flawed. Personally I think we should all go back and start again (but then again, present company and friends etc excepted, I'm not a huge fan of the human race anyway).

You're quite right, Coody Mow. I'll try to be nicer in future. Can't warm to Claudia, though. I'm always suspicious of those for whom media talent turns out to be 'hereditary'. Having worked for Claudia's mum for years, I hope it's the only thing that is...

You know, for all these 'over exposure' complaints about some of the celebs on this year's series (no, I'm mentioning no names because I don't want to become embroiled - again!), if you watched 'Dancing with the Stars' in the US (and 'E' television), you'd have actual reason to complain.

Ryan Seacrest (host of 'E' news and seemingly their brightest star) is a friend of Mario Lopez, one of the celebs on the US series. And almost every single night we have features about 'Mario this and Mario' that - sometimes to the complete exclusion of every other celeb on the show (and when we do have interviews - which is practically every week), we never get interviews with anyone other than Mario!

Now that is over-exposure!!!!!

I think we should be thankful that STCITT does focus on all the celebs and dancers and that we don't get one so over-exposed as that.

People should get a sense of perspective.

Spot on Hamlet! There wouldn't be much need of a SCD forum if we all liked the same dances/dancers, and we do all seem to see different things in different people. ..and again spot on about those that can shout the loudest get heard. I don't tend to bother about those people. I know what and who I like and nobody will persuade me otherwise..

Just imagine if someone like Peter had recorded the CIN single instead!!!

There is this mindset amongst some unfortunately whereby they think part of supporting their favourites is putting down others. Others are competition, they're the enemy and therefore they are hated. To justify this hate, every little thing they do is twisted in a negative way so they can say 'look, aren't the horrible! I'm so right in not liking them!'

Humans are weird like that.

I think its more a case that the GBP love to "have a go" at so-called celebrities: otherwise why would the likes of heat and all the other tawdry "celeb" magazines be so successful? There's a huge part of the population that loves to gloat over a celeb with spots, or cellulite, or falling out of a nightclub. Moaning about the celebs on SCD is just an another facet of that of that same tendency. If you stick your head above the publicity parapet someone will take a pot-shot at it.

Its been pointed out a few times on here that US versions of SCD & american idol fawn over their celebs like they are demi- gods. So maybe its a hangover from the class system ~ we don't like to see people being "better than they ought to be", whereas America loves anyone who makes a name for themselves however they acheive it.

To quote something I once read Bunton say: "In America if you succeed they pat you on the back, here they run a key down the side of your car"

(but lets not forget that the Spice Girls were self-confessed Thatcherites! )