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Old 13-11-2006, 13:17
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After his first single "rudebox" was savaged by the press, the album has started slowly, and continues to slide down the charts. Only three weeks after release, he has fallen to 9th in the charts, and sales of "Rudebox" are 60% lower than those of "Intensive Care" released the same week last year to sales of 374,000 compared to "Rudebox" which sold 148,000.

Should Robbie give it up? Or does he just need to get back to doing what he's good at, perhaps with Guy Chambers back on board?
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Old 13-11-2006, 13:37
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He should just go back to what he's good at, his first few albums were fantastic and it's all gone downhill since. I don't blame the split with Guy Chambers, i blame the huge record deal, kind of takes away a mans motivation!
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Old 13-11-2006, 13:57
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Let me say first of all I'm not especially in favour of or against Robbie. However, I've seen him live (free ticket) and had to admire his showmanship and sheer enjoyment of his job, and he has released some memorable material - especially impressive considering most peoples' prognosis after he 'left' Take That. I think fair play to the bloke. Inevitably the zeitgeist passes an artist, I guess that's kind of happening with RW now - but and I expect 148,000 albums sold in today's market is pretty good business. And from what I do know of his music, he is reasonably adventurous in his releases.
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Old 13-11-2006, 14:00
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To be fair, Robbie and EMI should have expected lower sales since he has moved in a different direction musically. The album is doing ok and will definitely go Platinum. Can't see Robbie making another album with this sort of music though.
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Old 13-11-2006, 14:08
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im not really a robbie fan but i like love light
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Old 13-11-2006, 14:15
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Love Light is the only song by Robbie that I have liked.
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Old 13-11-2006, 14:19
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I love Robbie Williams, but I don't love this album at all. Lovelight is brilliant but the rest of it really isn't very good at all. I don't think he should give up, though. I really hope he doesn't, but I hope he changes his style again as I really don't like all that rap style stuff at all.
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Old 13-11-2006, 14:31
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Originally Posted by ilovedanny
im not really a robbie fan but i like love light
I would have thought Love Light would have helped repair some of the damage Rudebox did, but I suppose it isn't a standout, I had to listen a few times to get into it.
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Old 13-11-2006, 15:16
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Firstly, the album has performed well considering the mixed reviews. It's a change of direction from his previous albums and clearly needs time for people to get used to it.

I feel that promotion for the album is another factor and there has been less than usual - this is primarily due to the fact that Rob is still on tour. He has just played 5 dates in South America and is due to play 7 sell-out dates in Australia.

The album has gone double platinum in Europe and he is the best selling artist this year. He is breaking new ground in South America and last month won Best International Artist at the MTV Latin America Music Awards.

I for one would be devastated if he chose to give up now and so I think would EMI - he's doing very well if you consider his latest triumphs.

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Old 13-11-2006, 16:13
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Originally Posted by WatfordKev
Let me say first of all I'm not especially in favour of or against Robbie. However, I've seen him live (free ticket) and had to admire his showmanship and sheer enjoyment of his job, and he has released some memorable material - especially impressive considering most peoples' prognosis after he 'left' Take That. I think fair play to the bloke. Inevitably the zeitgeist passes an artist, I guess that's kind of happening with RW now - but and I expect 148,000 albums sold in today's market is pretty good business. And from what I do know of his music, he is reasonably adventurous in his releases.
148,000 is not good business when he signed a multi-million pound record deal, trust me.
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Old 13-11-2006, 16:20
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He's the fastest selling platinum artist this year. Yeah, he's REALLY struggling.
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Old 13-11-2006, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Psychosis
He's the fastest selling platinum artist this year. Yeah, he's REALLY struggling.
You sure about that?
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Old 13-11-2006, 16:37
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I think the album will continue to do OK-if not selling in the same quantities as previous efforts. The album itself is a grower-better than many reviews have suggested.
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Old 13-11-2006, 16:39
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Positive. I checked the site of the IFPI, which says:

November 8, 2006

This month sees Robbie Williams' Rudebox become the fastest selling Platinum Europe album so far this year.


Can't see that it would be lying.
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Old 13-11-2006, 16:53
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Originally Posted by Psychosis
Positive. I checked the site of the IFPI, which says:

November 8, 2006

This month sees Robbie Williams' Rudebox become the fastest selling Platinum Europe album so far this year.


Can't see that it would be lying.
Think the clue "Europe" is a give away, it gives no indication at all of the UK market.
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Old 13-11-2006, 16:56
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I couldn't give a flying **** what it is selling. It doesn't make it a bad album because of what it sells. Lots of my favourite albums have sold sod all but they are still brilliant. I personally love the album. I will admit i was waning with him with his recent albums as it was becoming a bit too repetitive and i'm glad he's taken a chance with this album. I'm sure once the xmas sales have passed that the album will have sold a healthy amount here and wordlwide. Long may his experimentation continue i say.
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Old 13-11-2006, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Dark Drums
Think the clue "Europe" is a give away, it gives no indication at all of the UK market.
Does it matter how he does in the UK? As long as the album is selling well overall it's a success. Fastest selling platinum album in Europe this year is a major achievement. Good on him.
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Old 13-11-2006, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Psychosis
He's the fastest selling platinum artist this year. Yeah, he's REALLY struggling.
Not in the UK he's not. Arctic Monkeys sold 363,735 copies of their album in 1 week; Robbie sold 148,000 (much less than half).
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Old 13-11-2006, 17:03
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I just can't see the album picking up any new fans. Lots of artists' sales increase as more singles are released (Killers, Keane, etc) so the album becomes a very high seller over a long period of time.

The Robbie album has peaked already with his loyal fanbase buying the album and everybody else not really caring.
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Old 13-11-2006, 18:13
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I never said he was the fastest selling album in the UK

Please, people, stop trying to use figures to refute the point I never made. The title was Robbie Williams album struggling. I simply pointed out that it's not. One market is not struggling. And by the way, he may have fell SEVEN places but there were six or seven new entries above him, so that's hardly cut and dry.
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Old 13-11-2006, 18:18
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Not surprising really, his latest one is rubbish compared to his other ones.
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Old 13-11-2006, 18:30
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I'm a fan of Williams and I think its understandable that Rudebox did worse than Intensive Care - its a change of direction, Intensive Care came after his biggest period without an album of new material and there was virtually no promotion. Considering that, he's not done too badly.

However, he should be doing better considering the size of his deal. For EMI to really get their money's worth he would need to break America and he's said a number of times that he just can't be arsed to do that.

How many albums does he have left on his current deal? It wouldn't surprise me to see the next one veering off even more musically - and either being hugely succesfull or doing quite poorly.

I don't think you can deny that EMI paid over the odds for him though and that's coming from quite a big Robbie Williams fan.
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Old 13-11-2006, 19:37
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Personally I think he should be respected to trying new things, but of course the danger of doing that is you are going to make the odd mistake.

Of course he could be like the gran's favourite Westlife who release the same song over and over again. Well it sounds like they do anyway. You can tell those guys are only in it to pay their mortgages, anyone with any real interest in music would have left that group long ago.
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Old 13-11-2006, 19:39
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Originally Posted by SamBobGeldof
Does it matter how he does in the UK? As long as the album is selling well overall it's a success. Fastest selling platinum album in Europe this year is a major achievement. Good on him.
Looking at the bigger picture, no. But the original post was regarding UK sales so it does matter.

You can't just twist the argument because you don't like the facts.
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Old 13-11-2006, 20:02
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Can you really rely on the Charts as an indicator of how well an Album is doing considering that most people now buy their albums from CDwow & play.com. As far as I know these sales are not included in the chart calculation . Nowadays an album or single stays at the top of the charts for a very short period - changing every 5 minutes as far as I can see.
I think after playing to nearly 3 million people this year Robbie Williams has given very good value to EMI & I am sure they have very little to complain about .
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