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Den Watt's return
I WANT Den Watts Back
Please, Please, Please The Wicks where great interest but not without him, Den, Chrissie, Vikki and Sharon could have been dynamic if still there. Shame
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i do agree the soap was so bood with lesley grantham back!!!!
BTW whatever happened to vikki i forgot did she go back to America or die or something |
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I must say since Tracy ann-Oberman left exactly a year ago this month the soap has gone right downhill. Im sure that ongoing storyline running xmas 2004- this time last year and the lead up to it with leslie grantham's murder was the only thing keeping the soap strong as since its been a joke
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The very moment EastEnders began to go downhill was when Vicki (and her accent) and Dennis were introduced and Sharon started her relationship with her brother. It was obvious to all that they were gearing towards Dirty Den's return and everything just centred around that.
Other characters and storylines suffered as a result, and Leslie Grantham blew it when he had his scandal. The best thing about that whole period was when Chrissie turned up. |
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The downhill was when he came back in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Chrissy 2005
I WANT Den Watts Back
Please, Please, Please The Wicks where great interest but not without him, Den, Chrissie, Vikki and Sharon could have been dynamic if still there. Shame ![]()
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The downhill was when Den left the first time
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Most soaps and cyclical; Eastenders is no exception. The arrival of Vicky, Dennis and Den began a new cycle, in which some of the old characters (Alfie, Peggie) were sidelined in favour of the Watts family. This was a mistake for the show, because it changed the good dynamics in the Vic, which is the centre of the action.
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EE has never been the same since Grant left...
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EE has never been the same since Grant left...
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Most soaps and cyclical; Eastenders is no exception. The arrival of Vicky, Dennis and Den began a new cycle, in which some of the old characters (Alfie, Peggie) were sidelined in favour of the Watts family. This was a mistake for the show, because it changed the good dynamics in the Vic, which is the centre of the action.
Chrissie behind the bar was a great breath of fresh air and they should've given it to someone other than Peggy when Chrissie went down. Now its back to boredom city. |
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Originally Posted by smokey_rick
I must say since Tracy ann-Oberman left exactly a year ago this month the soap has gone right downhill. Im sure that ongoing storyline running xmas 2004- this time last year and the lead up to it with leslie grantham's murder was the only thing keeping the soap strong as since its been a joke
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I think you'll find that the majority of viewers wanted the mitchells back behind the bar, and as such thats why the writers wrote in that dodgy handing over of the pub post-chrissie. They were trying to win back ratings!
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I think you'll find that the majority of viewers wanted the mitchells back behind the bar, and as such thats why the writers wrote in that dodgy handing over of the pub post-chrissie. They were trying to win back ratings!
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I think you'll find that the majority of viewers wanted the mitchells back behind the bar, and as such thats why the writers wrote in that dodgy handing over of the pub post-chrissie. They were trying to win back ratings!
It was that (more than the fact that they were getting rid of one of the show's few remaining assets[ie Chrissie]) that made me feel, for the first time ever, that EE was breaking down. Up until then I probably would have defended EE to the grave (well almost!). Last edited by Filiman : 15-11-2006 at 13:11. |
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I think you'll find that the majority of viewers wanted the mitchells back behind the bar, and as such thats why the writers wrote in that dodgy handing over of the pub post-chrissie. They were trying to win back ratings!
I used to watch EE religiously, now haven't seen back to back episodes for about a year. Its listening to the fans that do the show damage since they (the fans) don't know what's good for the show in the long term. I do hope scriptwriters don't reference forums such as this as an indication of what the viewing public want. |
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Originally Posted by Filiman
I agree entirely... and 2006 is EE's worst year ratings wise (check out the soap ratings thread for 2006 and you will see the show is consistently down on last year), so its clear things are still not right by any objective standards.
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LOL from reading your post it's clear to me that you don't understand the "ratings".
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I'll admit I didn't undertake a comprehensive survey. I looked at the ratings for early 2005 and then for 2006, flipped to mid-year, did the same, and then again for about September/October.
But if I'm wrong, and someone has done a comprehensive comparison, then please point out my mistakes. ![]() I also took into account, that as most people believe 2004 was EE worst year, I simple compared the worst performing episode of that year (which was around 6m if memory serves) and the worst performing episodes of 2006, which were 3/4m. Its selective, I'll admit, but please challenge my statements and point to my errors. However, a self-smug chuckle and a patronising "you don't understand ratings" hardly qualifies as a sustained rebuttal. |
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Why? In what way was I erroneous?
It's easy to say EastEnders ratings in 2006 are consistently the worst ever and that's a true fact so you're quite welcome to state it however you make it sound like EastEnders is doing appallingly in the ratings when it really isn't. Look at the bigger picture that's all I'm saying. Your fact wasn't erroneous but using it to try and make out that EastEnders is in a bad position in the ratings is indeed erroneous IMO.
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I'll admit I didn't undertake a comprehensive survey. I looked at the ratings for early 2005 and then for 2006, flipped to mid-year, did the same, and then again for about September/October.
But if I'm wrong, and someone has done a comprehensive comparison, then please point out my mistakes. ![]() I also took into account, that as most people believe 2004 was EE worst year, I simple compared the worst performing episode of that year (which was around 6m if memory serves) and the worst performing episodes of 2006, which were 3/4m. Its selective, I'll admit, but please challenge my statements and point to my errors. However, a self-smug chuckle and a patronising "you don't understand ratings" hardly qualifies as a sustained rebuttal.
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Sorry I didn't mean to come across as "smug" and I've just posted some more information for you.
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The average audience for an ep of EastEnders this year is more like between 8 and 10 million viewers. That 3 million viewers in the middle of summer which was circumstantial was the exception and not the rule. I didn't mean to come across as rude though.
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Fair enough... I didn't mean to be rude or curt in my reply. Sometimes one types in the heat of the moment.
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Well for a start you're not looking at the bigger picture. The ratings for EastEnders are down on previous years there is no denying that but then so are the ratings for nearly every other programme. All of the soaps are getting less and and less viewers every year but they're still remaining the most watched shows on British TV and EastEnders is actually still doing really well in the ratings when you look at the bigger picture.
It's easy to say EastEnders ratings in 2006 are consistently the worst ever and that's a true fact so you're quite welcome to state it however you make it sound like EastEnders is doing appallingly in the ratings when it really isn't. Look at the bigger picture that's all I'm saying. Your fact wasn't erroneous but using it to try and make out that EastEnders is in a bad position in the ratings is indeed erroneous IMO. ![]() Its not the end of the world, but it does make my point that EE could be doing ALOT better. Perhaps that what I should have said. I don't expect EE to be rating like it used to in the 1999/2000, but the difference between 2005 and 2006 is more than can simply be attributed to the trickling of viewers. And one certainly can't claim that the 3/4m ratings EE got for a couple of episodes was a trickle. And even if there were extenuating circumstances, it doesn't change the fact that even in 2004 (EE supposed worst year), the show never went that low. |
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