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Old 20-11-2006, 13:19
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At long last after six weeks the true winners are beginning to emerge! Matt Dawson and Louisa Lytton.
These two are the only ones who have continually improved and are now streets ahead of the others.
We've had all the silliness of 'sexy Mark' and 'beautiful Emma' for the past six weeks but neither of them have improved one bit since the first dance they performed at the beginning. The sooner both of them get voted out the better - get rid of the nonsense and get on with the real job of judging who is the best DANCER! Not who's got the sexiest body, for god's sake!
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:25
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Matt has got to prove himself with the latin / faster dancers before we can talk about him as a winner. The ones he has done so far that arn't ballroom are shocking.

Louisa is inconsistant, but I agree if she can keep the high standard up she is in with a chance as are all the couples. i think anyone of them could still win. I don't think there is an obvious front runner at the moment.
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:25
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I really don't think Matt's latin is good enough to challenge Mark.

Also, I can't remember too may people saying Emma is sexy!
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:27
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Can't agree with you I'm afraid. Matt has done really well the last two weeks, but with ballroom. His last attempt at latin was lamentable (who could forget it?) I would have to see him make huge strides in a latin dance before saying he should be in the final. Equally, Louisa has been really inconsistent over the past few weeks, and I really don't think she is miles ahead of the others at all. The silliness of sexy Mark and Beautiful Emma as you put it came from the judges, and unfortunately people have latched on to it without really considering their performances. Mark, apart form a poor week last Saturday, seemed to be doing really well, and the same could be said for Emma. Her Samba the previous Saturday was the best dance of the night. At this stage any of them could get to the final, it depends on what dance they do on the night, and how they perform it and whether it suits them.
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:28
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If you could crossbread these two you would get a clear winner.
(and vertically challenged offspring lol)

Want to see Matt out of hold and seeing if he has improved there and Louisa needs to really improve her posture in hold.

But yes I would say these are the top two at the moment.

K+M ummm somthing is starting to go wrong
E+D Very unpopular with the "bitchy" vote
C+M She has hit the upperlimit of her ability albiet she got up to it quickly
C+B just does not look good or elegant

Ohhhh Yeah
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Shappy
Also, I can't remember too may people saying Emma is sexy!
Or Mark beautiful?
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Shappy
I really don't think Matt's latin is good enough to challenge Mark.

Also, I can't remember too may people saying Emma is sexy!
Maybe not - but then Mark's ballroom is nowhere good enough to challenge Matt. I can't remember many people saying Emma is sexy - I've just heard them say "beautiful".
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:30
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Originally Posted by trotski
Maybe not - but then Mark's ballroom is nowhere good enough to challenge Matt. I can't remember many people saying Emma is sexy - I've just heard them say "beautiful".
Mark is a bit weaker at the ballroom than latin but he has still hit the thirties everytime he has done one, so he is not doing too badly.

Wil be interesting to see if Matt has improved at the latin.
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:30
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Originally Posted by trotski
At long last after six weeks the true winners are beginning to emerge! Matt Dawson and Louisa Lytton.
These two are the only ones who have continually improved and are now streets ahead of the others.
We've had all the silliness of 'sexy Mark' and 'beautiful Emma' for the past six weeks but neither of them have improved one bit since the first dance they performed at the beginning. The sooner both of them get voted out the better - get rid of the nonsense and get on with the real job of judging who is the best DANCER! Not who's got the sexiest body, for god's sake!
Okay, Louisa and Matt fight it out this saturday, send the rest home today pronto, show over
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:32
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Originally Posted by cherry o
Mark is a bit weaker at the ballroom than latin but he has still hit the thirties everytime he has done one, so he is not doing too badly.

Wil be interesting to see if Matt has improved at the latin.
Mark has hit the thirties with ballroom simply because of overinflated marks by the judges. His ballroom posture is ridiculous - looks like Neandertal Man. Shoulders hunched, head forward, bum sticking out and we won't go into 'arms'!
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:34
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Really the gross comments are courtesy of the jugdes: Arlene with taut buttocks..... ewww just judge woman!, Glad to say she's stopped that (hopefully) and criticised him last night, shows he's not perfect and last night was quite rubbish. Overall Mark's pretty good at latin, not too bad at ballroom; needs improvement though. Now he just needs to match Matt as for Matt's latin... hmmm, I worry, Matt bumwiggle just scared me and Lousia's been patchy but she still has potential, its up to Vincent to make good use of it.
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:35
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Originally Posted by trotski
Mark has hit the thirties with ballroom simply because of overinflated marks by the judges. His ballroom posture is ridiculous - looks like Neandertal Man. Shoulders hunched, head forward, bum sticking out and we won't go into 'arms'!
your first post makes such sense now. Not at all biased then.
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:36
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Originally Posted by trotski
Mark has hit the thirties with ballroom simply because of overinflated marks by the judges. His ballroom posture is ridiculous - looks like Neandertal Man. Shoulders hunched, head forward, bum sticking out and we won't go into 'arms'!
Guessing you're not a Mark fan!

Your desctiption of Mark as a Neandertal man is way off, the judges scores were consistent with each other
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:36
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Matt does need to do a credible latin performance before people will accept his "transformation". However I do think he has it in him- people seem to forget his Paso, which was quite good (although not as good as Mark's). The constant drooling over Mark's sexiness does grate a bit if you don't happen to be a fan, but he has done some spectacular dancing. If he can pull off whichever ballroom he does this weekend I think he'll be well and truly back in the game. So far Matt is winning in the ballroom stakes, and Mark in the latin. So now it's a race to see who can improve the most in their weaker element!

Louisa still has work to do, her ballroom is a bit iffy. The Tango was amazing and surprised me, but then it is the most "latin" of the ballroom dances and she had the advantage of being taught by a world champion (even if it is Argentinian Tango). I'd like to see her Waltz and Viennese Waltz to a much higher level before the final.

At the moment I'd like to see Mark, Matt and Louisa in the final. I can't see Emma, Carol or Claire reaching that far at the moment. Of the three Carol seems to have the most loyal fanbase, so she is still a possible contender if she ups her game a bit.
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:38
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okay so Emma and Mark have an off week, that does not mean they have to go home. They have still performed a lot better than some of the people just named. And Louisa has not continually improved. She had some very off weeks after her jive just like Mark is having now
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:39
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This thread is just about who the op wants to be the front runners imo.

I think its all there for any one of them to take. It really is down to the dances now.
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:40
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Like the way the dynamics are changing week on week.

Let the show go on I say
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:41
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Originally Posted by dippydozy
Guessing you're not a Mark fan!

Your desctiption of Mark as a Neandertal man is way off, the judges scores were consistent with each other
Agree the description is wrong, but Mark's line has been criticised more than once in the red button commentary, and then been completely overlooked by the judges. In contrast, Matt's line was complimented by Philip Jackson, Anton and Camilla in the commentary.

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Old 20-11-2006, 13:44
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Originally Posted by katie_p
Agree the description is wrong, but Mark's line has been criticised more than once in the red button commentary, and then completely overlooked by the judges. In contrast, Matt's line was complimented by Philip Jackson, Anton and Camilla in the commentary.
I'll take your word for that I do not listen to the commentary - would happily ignore the judges too I prefer to form my own opinion.
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:45
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Originally Posted by SimonChimp
Or Mark beautiful?
Opps!

(Should read posts more carefully!)
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:47
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Originally Posted by dippydozy
would happily ignore the judges too I prefer to form my own opinion.
well I agree with you there! I realised recently that where I thought I hated Mark, in fact I just hated Arlene! I'm definitely coming round to him now (I just turn the sound down when Arlene talks), although I still love Matt the most ... we don't need to lose either of them this week though, they're the only two men left!
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:51
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Originally Posted by katie_p
well I agree with you there! I realised recently that where I thought I hated Mark, in fact I just hated Arlene! I'm definitely coming round to him now (I just turn the sound down when Arlene talks), although I still love Matt the most ... we don't need to lose either of them this week though, they're the only two men left!
You thought you hated Mark!!

No your right neither should go there are plenty I would kick out first - mind you I will review and edit this thread if the Matt bum wiggle returns
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Old 20-11-2006, 13:59
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I really think that any of the remaining couples could make the final, although if I'm honest I think Claire is the outsider.

M+K - He has been great at Latin apart from last week and he's doing really well and has shown himself to be a fine dancer. Very popular couple as well. Possible problem is that they have 4 ballroom and only 2 Latin dances left and I agree he has a lot of work left to do on his posture and footwork in ballroom.

L+V - inconsistent mainly due to choregraphy choices, but obviously a great little dancer, especially in Latin. She's had a great week and I think most of her routines will continue to be strong now. However, her Ballroom needs a lot of work and the Rumba may be a difficult dance for her to pull off. Also not convinced about their popularity.

E+D - strengths are her ability to really sell a routine and go out there and perform, but technique is often a weakness and so is popularity. I'm still not completely convinced she'll make the final and I very much doubt both Louisa and Emma will make it - one will leave early I think.

M+L - Everyone loves an underdog and his improvement and dancing in the last couple of weeks has been fantastic. However, this is in ballroom. He's got some very hard Latin dances left and is yet to prove that he can master this side of things. If he can I think he'll be in the final, if not he could be in trouble in the Latin weeks.

C+M - I think they are very popular and when she gets it right on the night her technique is wonderful and she has the best footwork of all the couples IMO. However, technique alone doesn't make people pick up phones and she really needs to start selling her routines more to keep the votes. After this week, I think she's going to up her game and I think she's going to start really going for it. Tango and Paso could be her make or break dances.

C+B - Claire has improved a lot in ballroom, but Like Matt I think she will still struggle in Latin as she has a few timing issues. In my opinion least likely to make final, but you never know what will happen in this show and I really wouldn't bet against it.

I think it's so close and anyone could leave and anyone could make the final. It's going to be down to the performances coming up and it's going to be V exciting!
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Old 20-11-2006, 14:02
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Originally Posted by Erinfan
I really think that any of the remaining couples could make the final, although if I'm honest I think Claire is the outsider.

M+K - He has been great at Latin apart from last week and he's doing really well and has shown himself to be a fine dancer. Very popular couple as well. Possible problem is that they have 4 ballroom and only 2 Latin dances left and I agree he has a lot of work left to do on his posture and footwork in ballroom.

L+V - inconsistent mainly due to choregraphy choices, but obviously a great little dancer, especially in Latin. She's had a great week and I think most of her routines will continue to be strong now. However, her Ballroom needs a lot of work and the Rumba may be a difficult dance for her to pull off. Also not convinced about their popularity.

E+D - strengths are her ability to really sell a routine and go out there and perform, but technique is often a weakness and so is popularity. I'm still not completely convinced she'll make the final and I very much doubt both Louisa and Emma will make it - one will leave early I think.

M+L - Everyone loves an underdog and his improvement and dancing in the last couple of weeks has been fantastic. However, this is in ballroom. He's got some very hard Latin dances left and is yet to prove that he can master this side of things. If he can I think he'll be in the final, if not he could be in trouble in the Latin weeks.

C+M - I think they are very popular and when she gets it right on the night her technique is wonderful and she has the best footwork of all the couples IMO. However, technique alone doesn't make people pick up phones and she really needs to start selling her routines more to keep the votes. After this week, I think she's going to up her game and I think she's going to start really going for it. Tango and Paso could be her make or break dances.

C+B - Claire has improved a lot in ballroom, but Like Matt I think she will still struggle in Latin as she has a few timing issues. In my opinion least likely to make final, but you never know what will happen in this show and I really wouldn't bet against it.

I think it's so close and anyone could leave and anyone could make the final. It's going to be down to the performances coming up and it's going to be V exciting!
I think that is an excellent summary. Very fair.
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Old 20-11-2006, 14:19
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Originally Posted by katie_p
Agree the description is wrong, but Mark's line has been criticised more than once in the red button commentary, and then been completely overlooked by the judges. In contrast, Matt's line was complimented by Philip Jackson, Anton and Camilla in the commentary.
I've only heard Anton's RBC on Mark and he and Philip were critical of Mark when he was in hold when he was doing smooth. Which bizarrely he got 2 9's for.

I'm hoping Matt does well in Latin, it looks to me like he has got good natural rhythm and his salsa was not that bad. In his chacha and salsa he did very good i think they're called bodyrolls that showed good flexibility in the upper body.

I was very impressed with Louisa's tango. Louisa and Matt and their respective partners have benefitted from being criticised early on something Mark should have been but wasn't. Claire was criticised early as well and she's showing a marked improvement. Their pro partners have had time to adjust what needs adjusting.
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