actually sevens were warranted, and I did say that the nine was ridiculous, but then Bruno gave louisa a ten for her jive despite it maybe being the third best jive ever (behind Jill and Darren for a kick off, who i believe didn't get a ten initially anyway) but on the whole Bruno, craig and arlene do mark consistently

yes maybe but in my top 4 and the judges top four, were the same four dancers!!

I'd disagree with Bruno marking consistantly - he continually overmarks - he's done it with Mark (who I adore) with his tango, Peter's samba, Louisa's jive and Emma's Samba off the top of my head. Craig and Arlene are the most consistant markers, although they've both been guilty of overmarking in the past as well, but not to the same extent as Bruno. Len's also overmarks, at the moment he seems incapable of giving below a 6 in this series - which lead to a ridiculous 1 point between Peter's Samba and Mark's AS.

Emma's cha cha cha really wasn't her best dance and I don't think it's completely outrageous that it resulted in her finishing in the bottom two. It had a lot of mistakes, pauses and wrong technique and purely because of this you can't really say it was better than Carol and Matthew's. Of course you could like it more, but it wasn't better in dance terms.

That isn't me being mean and bashing Emma - it is my honest opinion and based upon the performances. If she did a good routine, I would say so and defend her, but last week just wasn't good and I agree she needs to put more hours in.
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Oops my bad I meant Len, but then again i still believe that Bruno marks fairly a lot of the time, who are we to judge their feelings at the time they are marking dances

okay then maybe she does, and maybe she will, but maybe it isn't her fault, there are a lot of backroom staff who control her movements, she might have wanted to dance more last week but didn't get the chance. we don't know.

also yes there were mistakes and I am not defending that, but aren't people just apporving of carole and matt because they are comparing it with last week, it wasn't better than thirty though

As long as she puts in as many hours as possible, then that's fine...but I remember her saying on ITT that she didn't want to rehearse on Sundays etc and if she's still thinking like that she will have to change her outlook if she wants to get the final. I hope she does, as I think if she puts a bit more into it she could BECOME a good dancer.

I'm speaking just for myself of course, but me thinking Carol and Matthew's Cha Cha was a good dance had nothing to do with her dance last week. It is because it was a genuine Cha Cha with a huge variety of genuine Cha Cha steps which Carol did really well. Her footwork was spot on and most importantly she had straight legs throughout which is vital, but VERY difficult. She needed to sell the routine more and include more hip action which would have lost her marks but in terms of technical content it was a great routine and better than Darren and Emma's. That's all nothing to do with her American Smooth.

I have enjoyed reading the comments on this board for ages and have been a strictly fan from the start but have only just got around to registering to post.

I have to agree that Emma's dance this week was easily her worst and that Bruno's 9 was ridiculous, however she really has been consistently good so far - I thought her Samba was excellent.

I am an unashamed fan of Emma but know that her footwork is average at best but she does have a great way of performing it so well that the mistakes aren't always obvious. Although I think Mark and Karen will win I would love Emma to get to the final as I think her and Darren could produce an amazing freestyle...failing that just survive another week as i'm going the week after and would love to see her dance.

Was so gutted Peter went as I thought he was a great bloke.

Nice first post...welcome to the board.

Welcome to the boards Danthemanuk!!

All the figures in the first post show is that Emma has been overmarked by the judges.

If she wants to succeed in this she needs to do what all of the others seem to be doing and that is put in the required practice time. SCD is a 3 month commitment not a long term one and if you want to win you have to perfect the techniques of the dances, (and not perfect the art of fluttering your eyelashes at the judges and giving them a nice smile) - that means putting the time in the rehearsal hall.

All of the other celebs have busy day jobs too and in Carol's case a young family to look after as well - they seem OK about putting in the time. Why should Emma be any different?

Trouble is now that the weaker dancers have gone - its going to be more difficult for her to do well unless she does pull her finger out like the others! Fortnately the public voters seem to have been able to see what the judges can't - that her technique - particularly her footwork is very weak when compared to the likes of Carol, or in the ballroom, Peter.

Emma has the potential to be up at the top - but only if she puts in the hours and stops whining about being too busy - let's hope she started by fitting in a LONG training session yesterday! After all she hasn't exactly got a buzzin' career at the moment has she???

Thanks!!

I have been wanting to register for ages but couldn't do it with my hotmail account.

My other favourites are Lilia (but not Matt i'm afraid), Louisa and Vincent, and Ian who was wasted this series, I thought him and Denise were superb!

I think that Emma's dance deserved no more than a 7. Even her most avid supporters would have said the 9 was way overmarked.

I think the Judges are overmarking across the board in this series, especially when you consider that Jill got an 8 for her first Jive, whilst Louisa has already got a 10 for her Jive which wasn't as good anyway.

I think her score was actually quite fair. If it had been a case of two 7s and two 8s then I don't think we'd have all this controversy even though she would have still got 30. It's just because Bruno's 9 stuck out from the 7s which in my opinion were too low.

We also have to remember that they went first so the judges did not have a measure to use.

Ok how did I sense as soon as I opened this thread it would be negative; its way to obvious.
Ok so Emma isn't the best dancer on the show, and the judges have overmarked her slightly in the competition; but what people are failing to realise is that some other celebrities have been overmarked to, all ebcause of our judges.
Darren is bringing out the best in Emma. And she is kind of damned with whatever she does by this place, as if she gave up the CIN commitments she would be slated; and if she carries on with not mujch training she gets slated aswell.
What can this girl do to actually get it right, so that people won't keep slating her, time after time?

She is not getting slated time after time but surely you would not want to see her dance get unfair high scores if others were better?!

She should be marked accordingly and she is not as Bruna admitted tonight doesn't that irritate you on her behalf?!

I'm a little annoyed with Bruno for the biased marking, but seeing as it has been talked about for so long I guessed he would have to say something.

About the first statement- From what it looks like almost every Emma thread ends in her being slated, even if it started positive. With the unfair high scores, there have been other couples aswell with ludacrisly high scores, and yes I would like to see all the couples be marked fairly. It just looks like other couples that get marked highly don't get slated as much as what Emma does, that was the point I was making.

I find it irritating the way there seems to be this general assumption that Emma is not so great. It's become a kind of rhetoric slogan for many posters without any justification in my eyes. If people are going to spout this old maxim out time and time again, then please provide some actual, constructive criticisms. For instance, many say "oh, her footwork is awful". Well, I don't think that's true. Some of her spotting in the Cha Cha was technically good and even Len admitted she was good technically on her placements. Admittedly she had bent legs at times, but all of the dancers have their bad points. One or two bad points doesn't make someone's dancing terrible however. Also, look at her Quickstep which needs good footwork to be as sporty as it was. The Samba also with its tricky syncopated rhythms requires good footwork for it to look as good as she made it. that can't be done just by posing and jiggling. Sorry for the little rant, but it's grating on me how much some posters just say how "terrible" her footwork is without backing it up.

Emma is good with her Jive (Louisa bettered her), very good in Samba. But I feel she's somewhat over-marked for her other dances, especially last Saturday's. Sorry, I am not an Emma basher. I like her but she's not the top of my list as yet.

Hey SCD Observer. Welcome to the forums btw!

I totally understand that and wasn't aiming at you or anything. I'm not expecting people to support Emma, but I just think if people are going to criticise then they need to back it up with something.

Thank you! I agree totally 100% with what you have said!

Firstly welcome. If I'm misrepresenting you because of selective editing, I apologise.

My only problem with Emma is that I want her to add to that which is professionally trained. Ignore Spice Girls, her cha cha could have been lifted straight out of one of her solo music videos. To watch, its delightful - but not enough for me to pick up my phone (pay the eventual bill) and vote.

Mr bojangles - can't speak about others but I was only talking about her Cha Cha Cha in this thread and also the comments that her Cha Cha was better than Carol's, which I strongly disagree with for my given reasons. I have tried to back up what I've been saying.

A lot of her other dances I have actually found quite good and I've even gone on her threads to compliment them. Foxtrot was overmarked, but she's definitely not the only person to be favoured by the judges.

I'm really not trying to criticise or bash Emma although perhaps unintentionally it might sound like it, I just really wasn't impressed with this week's dance. I hope she'll put more work in and come back with a great routine on Saturday though!

Do they mark higher on DWTS than they do on this then? Is the show much different? I've only seen the clips on ITT and generally that's been when there was somebody like Jerry Springer on "dancing".
I agree that the over marking puts people off. We all disliked the "teacher's pet" in school. It's not the fault of the individual. It's the fault of the judges who show such bias.
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Some of her avid supporters think her marking was fair