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Bruno Has FINALLY Admitted To Biased Marking On SCD
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pretty
20-11-2006


I'm not surprised at this admission though I'm surprised he was so blase about his reasoning

Who was it that said the judges give their scores straight after the dance before making comments . This is so obviously a big fat lie as Bruno said on ITT tonight that he gave Emma a high score because he knew the other judges were going to score her low based on their comments . He even specifically said that if he'd given her less than a 9 she would have ended up closer to the bottom in the final standings
cherry o
20-11-2006
thats gonna help her cause
luckyforest
20-11-2006
Apparently he hasn't quite recover from jet lag. But it's good to know the truth. Something need to be done about the judges apparently.
pretty
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by cherry o:
“thats gonna help her cause ”

I expect the "Zoe Ball" effect to well and truly kick in come Saturday
Sloopy
20-11-2006
Hallelujah

Bruno states the blinding obvious yet again!
mr.bojangles
20-11-2006
Actually, he wasn't agreeing that he was biased. He didn't give Emma more marks because he loves Emma. He gave her more because he felt he had to right the wrong that he thought the others were making. I'm sure all the judges badjust their scores to produce a then fair result. In this way it is not a bias, as Bruno - like all the judges - do it for anyone. It seems clear to me that Len and Bruno often overmarl to compensate for Craig and Arlene. It is this approach will actually produces a fair score.
*Nina*
20-11-2006
I don't understand though. Don't the judges have to decided what they're going to score the dance as soon as it's finished? I thought they had to use those keypad things!
Swonky
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by pretty:
“

I'm not surprised at this admission though I'm surprised he was so blase about his reasoning

Who was it that said the judges give their scores straight after the dance before making comments . This is so obviously a big fat lie as Bruno said on ITT tonight that he gave Emma a high score because he knew the other judges were going to score her low based on their comments . He even specifically said that if he'd given her less than a 9 she would have ended up closer to the bottom in the final standings ”

They do do the scores that way, it's so the scores are collated before the announcement. However, obviously they pass around the marks covertly on the pieces of paper you can see them writing on beforehand.

I can't believe that Bruno just gamley admitted that he loves Emma and regardless of her dance he'll do what it takes to keep her top of the leaderboard !
mr.bojangles
20-11-2006
I think they must score after the celebs leave to talk with Tess. Bruno said he got the feeling the others would undermark them, so must have heard their comments and therefore must have scored afterwards.
mr.bojangles
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“I can't believe that Bruno just gamley admitted that he loves Emma and regardless of her dance he'll do what it takes to keep her top of the leaderboard !”


OMG! Bruno did not actually say that! Was I watching the same programme?
Doghouse Riley
20-11-2006
Quote:
“Bruno Has FINALLY Admitted To Biased Marking On SCD”

Can't be many who didn't know that from the previous series.
Liz G-S
20-11-2006
I think Bruno overreacted with Emma's mark - the 7s from the other three judges really can't be considered bad marks and she didn't actually deserve more on the night. If it really is like this and the judges are marking according to what they believe the others might give and not what they actually believe the dance deserves, then it is is a recipe for chaos.We have already seen this several times this series - no wonder the dancers are confused.
I appreciate Brunö's honesty but it might have been better to have kept quiet about it.
dippydozy
20-11-2006
* Shakes head in despair *

If Emma or Darren have any sense they would make a big deal out of asking him live on air not to do this, Brendan has already bought it to the publics attention that some celebrities get special marks.
quackaquacka
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“They do do the scores that way, it's so the scores are collated before the announcement. However, obviously they pass around the marks covertly on the pieces of paper you can see them writing on beforehand.”

Apparently, that's given to the producers so that they can verify the marks in case the keypads don't work or they pressed the wrong button.
Swonky
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“OMG! Bruno did not actually say that! Was I watching the same programme?”

For all intents and purposes, he did yes.

Emma is great, even though it wasn't a great dance (he admitted it wasn't as good as the Samba ) and he will vote highly to keep her off the bottom.
mr.bojangles
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“For all intents and purposes, he did yes.

Emma is great, even though it wasn't a great dance (he admitted it wasn't as good as the Samba ) and he will vote highly to keep her off the bottom.”

He didn't admit a bias specifically for Emma. He admitted that he thought she deserved higher than what the others gave, so compensated by giving her a higher mark. He would, and has, done so for others (just as all the judges do). Therefore it's not a bias for Emma.
pretty
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“Actually, he wasn't agreeing that he was biased. He didn't give Emma more marks because he loves Emma. He gave her more because he felt he had to right the wrong that he thought the others were making. I'm sure all the judges badjust their scores to produce a then fair result. In this way it is not a bias, as Bruno - like all the judges - do it for anyone. It seems clear to me that Len and Bruno often overmarl to compensate for Craig and Arlene. It is this approach will actually produces a fair score.”

Same difference!

BTW, I thought they all looked for different things in the dances and mark accordingly
pretty
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by *Nina*:
“I don't understand though. Don't the judges have to decided what they're going to score the dance as soon as it's finished? I thought they had to use those keypad things!”

That's what I was told but always suspected different!
pretty
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“They do do the scores that way, it's so the scores are collated before the announcement. However, obviously they pass around the marks covertly on the pieces of paper you can see them writing on beforehand.

I can't believe that Bruno just gamley admitted that he loves Emma and regardless of her dance he'll do what it takes to keep her top of the leaderboard !”

According to Bruno, he marked her high AFTERhearing the comments by the others! To my knowledge, the piece of paper is passed around before Bruce asks them for their comments.
mr.bojangles
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by pretty:
“Same difference!

BTW, I thought they all looked for different things in the dances and mark accordingly ”


No actually it's not the same difference. Bruno would be biased if he did that only for Emma. That would be a bias - " an irrational preference". however, clearly from his scores this is not the case - he will do it for anyone where he feels otehrs are undermarking. And as all the judges employ the same tactic, it seems to me to be a convention of their scoring system.
pretty
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“No actually it's not the same difference. Bruno would be biased if he did that only for Emma. That would be a bias - " an irrational preference". however, clearly from his scores this is not the case - he will do it for anyone where he feels otehrs are undermarking. And as all the judges employ the same tactic, it seems to me to be a convention of their scoring system.”

He told us he did it for Emma. I'm taking his word for it this time!
Swonky
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“He didn't admit a bias specifically for Emma. He admitted that he thought she deserved higher than what the others gave, so compensated by giving her a higher mark. He would, and has, done so for others (just as all the judges do). Therefore it's not a bias for Emma.”

What's the difference ? By going out of his way to mark her above what the dance was worth in order to, in his words, keep her off the bottom then that is by default admitting a bias towards Emma.

If he had no bias for Emma he'd have marked her a 7, which is obviously what the dance was worth and not cared where she came on the leader board.
mr.bojangles
20-11-2006
Yes, but if Bruno is prepared to overmark anyone where he feels the others have undermarked, then it's simply not a bias. Otherwise he would have a bias to everyone! And it seems clear from this series and others and from all the judges, that scores are altered to compensate for the under and over marking of others.
mr.bojangles
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by pretty:
“He told us he did it for Emma. I'm taking his word for it this time!”


Yes, he did it for Emma. Arguably Len and him do it in almost 90% of circumstances to make up for the others eg. the 8s they gave for Mark and Karen to compensate for the 5 and 6. I'm sure if you pressed them they'd admit they all do it, most of the time, to produce a fair overall score. Once again, it's not that he will give Emma a 9 just for walkign on the stage - it's not a bias just for her - it's the way the judge's scoring works.
pretty
20-11-2006
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“Yes, but if Bruno is prepared to overmark anyone where he feels the others have undermarked, then it's simply not a bias. Otherwise he would have a bias to everyone! And it seems clear from this series and others and from all the judges, that scores are altered to compensate for the under and over marking of others.”

What makes him the authority to right the "wrongs" of the other judges? In the words of "Princess" Nikki, who is he
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