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Whoever said life is unfair was right! If Emma goes this week it will be unfair as she is not the weakest dancer left. However, on their weeks, neither were Spoony and Ray, and even Georgina was not lowest score the week she went, but spoony and ray had real potential, and I think many people say them staying in a long time.
On performance, ability, choreography etc. Emma should not go, and I personally hope she stays, particularly if she has had more time to commit to training this week. If she has, they could produce a really good performance (believe they are doing ballroom this week), and go back to the top. I hope they do! The worst dancer on the night should go - and if that's Emma so be it. I'm certainly not an Emma basher and think the same criteria should apply to anyone else. Bruno made a big mistake in awarding her 9 to make up for what he called low marking by the other judges. He's there to mark a performance not to ensure the survival of one of his favourites - perhaps he should to moved to 1st postition instead of 4th - that way he wouldn't know what the others have given. |
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Perhaps you did not read my post fully, podge, I did say that the worst dancer did not go in the case of Spoony and Ray, which was unfair. And the judges already have the paddles ready for their mark, they do not have time to change it even if they wanted to. They already have an idea of what the others will mark, whether they give their marks first or last.
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And its hardely emmas fault that Bruno decided to over compensate!
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Sadly because of Bruno's comments I don't believe her being top of the board means she is the better dancer anymore - blame Bruno for that, Craig has admitted too he wants Emma to win hardly being objective is it? 7 is still a high score in comparison to Mark and Karen who deserved at least that too.
I am not a Emma basher but also am not a fan. What has disappointed me more than anything else was the lack of hours she put in last week, for me there was no excuse for that I think she owes Darren more. I don't think anymore there is a worse dancer they have all earnt their place in this weeks competition Strangely, the same stringent criteria aren't applied to any of the other remaining contestants. No-one is saying, for example, that Carol must, absolutely must prove that she is top of the leaderboard with merit or whatever. |
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She won't be judged being there without merit if she dances well, it is however frustrating that the judges percieve her as doing no wrong when she does!
If she isn't top of the leader then she would have danced badly the judges aren't against her like they are say Brendan. |
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emma is a great dancer, and she should be there
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Why does she need to be top of the board to prove she deserves to stay? Why don't you think the others need to do the same? Surely anywhere on the top half of the board means she is a better dancer than the others and deserves to stay. It's almost as if she is so far down people's opinion's now, that unless she does an absolutely stunning, fabulous, professional level dance, people will be saying she deserves to go. She is hardly the worst dancer in the competition, even now. She just had one poor (but not awful) week!
Emma needs to properly demonstrate that she is worthy of the marks she gets from the judges to get the public onside, and , dare I say it - keep her mouth shut when being interviwed - as she seems to open it and put her foot straight in there ("I get away with it because I smile", and "the judges mark us high because they can see we are giving it our all" (when she has spent the least time practicing)come to mind) Granted she isn't the worst dancer left - but she definitely is NOT the best either, and she doesn't seem to take the need for rehearsal as seriously as the others do. |
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Because unless she is at the top - she hasn't got the public vote to keep her out of the bottom 2 when the two votes are added together.
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The other competitors don't benefit from the judges bias - and some of them seem to damned if they do and damned if they don't do what the judges say.
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Because unless she is at the top - she hasn't got the public vote to keep her out of the bottom 2 when the two votes are added together. And she needs to be at the top on merit - not on judges preference/ sympathy vote otherwise she will get even fewer votes... The other competitors don't benefit from the judges bias - and some of them seem to damned if they do and damned if they don't do what the judges say.
Emma needs to properly demonstrate that she is worthy of the marks she gets from the judges to get the public onside . Quote:
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... dare I say it - keep her mouth shut when being interviwed - as she seems to open it and put her foot straight in there ("I get away with it because I smile", and "the judges mark us high because they can see we are giving it our all" (when she has spent the least time practicing)come to mind)
...she doesn't seem to take the need for rehearsal as seriously as the others do. Last edited by Shappy : 22-11-2006 at 15:27. |
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I like Emma and Darren. Have since day one (and have even defended her quite vigorously, several times, on these boards!). And although I would be very sad to see her leave, unless she does better than she did on Saturday, she will not get the support she needs to remain in the programme.
I also love Mark and Karen and Carol and Matt. Therefore, I am not going to defend Emma to the detriment of the other two couples (or indeed anyone else, even though there were some dances I enjoyed less and some more). There is a lot of 'Emma' bashing on these boards, I agree, although some of the other celebs and indeed a couple of the pros are also coming in for their fair share of personal (unfair and unwarranted criticism). It's making these boards very unpleasant. Having said which, I have to say that she must put in the rehearsal time. Her lack of practice really showed on Saturday and I have stated elsewhere that although I accept she has other commitments, as does Darren, this hasn't stopped anyone else in the programme - all of them have commitments of some sort and have found the time to do more and more training. It's such a shame as she has the potential and could do so much more. Of course the judges' weird and wonderful marking (not just for her, mind you, but for others too!) has not helped endear her (although that's hardly her fault). She also has a tendancy to 'open mouth, insert foot' - something we all do from time to time but which may have cost her votes (and has certainly not helped her on the ds boards - not that the ds boards are particularly reflective of the GBP!). I for one would love to see her come out on Saturday and perform a fantastic routine with Darren that will blow everyone away. Of course, some of the staunchest detractors on here will still spout their vitriol but it's not them she has to win over. They're in a minority. It's the 'floating voter' and the GBP she has to impress. So, come on, Emma! (and come on, Mark and Karen and Carol and Matthew!!)!!! |
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Originally Posted by Shappy
Well, in that case, it seems there is no point of Emma turning up on Saturday. If she is top of the leaderboard, she'll be judged to be there without merit (judges unfair marking blah blah blah) and if she isn't near the top, then people will say she doesn't deserve to be in the comp as she is not that good and didn't put on a fabulous performance.
Strangely, the same stringent criteria aren't applied to any of the other remaining contestants. No-one is saying, for example, that Carol must, absolutely must prove that she is top of the leaderboard with merit or whatever.
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But public support changes from week to week - Claire and Brendan always seemed to be in the bottom two - even the week they did their very good AS, but last week they weren't - somehow they have won back public support. It is possible.
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That's a subjective coment - some of the other dancers have benefitted. In my opinion (again subjective), Mark did not deserve two 8's for his poor Rumba. He may have been bottom of the table without those.
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And what exactly would such a demonstration entail? Again, those who dislike Emma never seem to think any performance is good enough. And why should Emma have to demonstrate such a thing? Surely the onus should be on the judges to demonstrate some fairness, whether it be with regards to Emma or Mark.
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But Emma is hardly the only SCD participant to make slightly cringeworthy comments ("I'd like to teach the world to dance" from Karen and "I am the best professional" from Vincent spring to mind.)
We're now in the 4th series of SCD, and the viewers are more educated about what they are seeing on screen. We know what the dances SHOULD look like, and what constitutes a good and bad performance. We don't NEED the judges guidance as much now as we may have done in Series 1. I think that's why Emma in this series and Zoe in the last suffere at the public's hands - we can see the errors which arent pointed out for ourselves and make our own conclusions. |
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Maybe the judges should just make their remarks without scoring and then leave whoever goes down to the public vote?
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Perhaps you did not read my post fully, podge, I did say that the worst dancer did not go in the case of Spoony and Ray, which was unfair. And the judges already have the paddles ready for their mark, they do not have time to change it even if they wanted to. They already have an idea of what the others will mark, whether they give their marks first or last.
I agree that Spoony and Ray should have remained in the comp. when they were voted out. I too believed that the paddles were ready, but Bruno himself said on ITT that he overmarked Emma because he thought some of the other marks too low. I'm taking his word for it. |
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Originally Posted by Tango Trish
Alas NO you are certainly not the only Emma and Darren fan - I can only presume you haven't read very many of the threads on these forums - it might seem like the favourite sport is "Emma bashing" - but believe me it is quite the other way round - it is at the risk of your own personal safety that you dare upset a "Buntons Bunny"
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You are just so childish
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I feel a bit sorry now for Emma - not that I would ever vote for anybody out of 'sympathy' - but she started off as a favourite and seems to be struggling now.
It'll be a shame if she goes out before the final, as I think she is at least better than Claire, Carol or Matt (whose deficiencies are well-hidden in ballroom but not the Latin!). |
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The thing I hate is that people seem to be insinuating thats its emmas fault she was the favourite or its emmas faults shes being over marked!
That poor girl is going into training like every other celeb in it, and on these forums is not given that much credit for it!!! She is fantastic....ok so the bookies had her as favourite but she knew she'd have to put as much effort in as everyone else! Give the poor girl a bloody break! She is working so hard (ok, so last week she had a heavy schedule but what other celebs haven't.) I just hope emma and darren don't take to heart whats being said about them! Emma is brilliant! |
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