The worst dancer on the night should go - and if that's Emma so be it. I'm certainly not an Emma basher and think the same criteria should apply to anyone else.

Bruno made a big mistake in awarding her 9 to make up for what he called low marking by the other judges. He's there to mark a performance not to ensure the survival of one of his favourites - perhaps he should to moved to 1st postition instead of 4th - that way he wouldn't know what the others have given.

Perhaps you did not read my post fully, podge, I did say that the worst dancer did not go in the case of Spoony and Ray, which was unfair. And the judges already have the paddles ready for their mark, they do not have time to change it even if they wanted to. They already have an idea of what the others will mark, whether they give their marks first or last.

And its hardely emmas fault that Bruno decided to over compensate!

Well, in that case, it seems there is no point of Emma turning up on Saturday. If she is top of the leaderboard, she'll be judged to be there without merit (judges unfair marking blah blah blah) and if she isn't near the top, then people will say she doesn't deserve to be in the comp as she is not that good and didn't put on a fabulous performance.

Strangely, the same stringent criteria aren't applied to any of the other remaining contestants. No-one is saying, for example, that Carol must, absolutely must prove that she is top of the leaderboard with merit or whatever.

She won't be judged being there without merit if she dances well, it is however frustrating that the judges percieve her as doing no wrong when she does!

If she isn't top of the leader then she would have danced badly the judges aren't against her like they are say Brendan.

emma is a great dancer, and she should be there

Because unless she is at the top - she hasn't got the public vote to keep her out of the bottom 2 when the two votes are added together. And she needs to be at the top on merit - not on judges preference/ sympathy vote otherwise she will get even fewer votes... The other competitors don't benefit from the judges bias - and some of them seem to damned if they do and damned if they don't do what the judges say.

Emma needs to properly demonstrate that she is worthy of the marks she gets from the judges to get the public onside, and , dare I say it - keep her mouth shut when being interviwed - as she seems to open it and put her foot straight in there ("I get away with it because I smile", and "the judges mark us high because they can see we are giving it our all" (when she has spent the least time practicing)come to mind)

Granted she isn't the worst dancer left - but she definitely is NOT the best either, and she doesn't seem to take the need for rehearsal as seriously as the others do.

But public support changes from week to week - Claire and Brendan always seemed to be in the bottom two - even the week they did their very good AS, but last week they weren't - somehow they have won back public support. It is possible.


That's a subjective coment - some of the other dancers have benefitted. In my opinion (again subjective), Mark did not deserve two 8's for his poor Rumba. He may have been bottom of the table without those.


And what exactly would such a demonstration entail? Again, those who dislike Emma never seem to think any performance is good enough. And why should Emma have to demonstrate such a thing? Surely the onus should be on the judges to demonstrate some fairness, whether it be with regards to Emma or Mark.



These are valid points - hopefully now CIN is over, she can knuckle down and get on with it. But Emma is hardly the only SCD participant to make slightly cringeworthy comments ("I'd like to teach the world to dance" from Karen and "I am the best professional" from Vincent spring to mind.)
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I like Emma and Darren. Have since day one (and have even defended her quite vigorously, several times, on these boards!). And although I would be very sad to see her leave, unless she does better than she did on Saturday, she will not get the support she needs to remain in the programme.

I also love Mark and Karen and Carol and Matt. Therefore, I am not going to defend Emma to the detriment of the other two couples (or indeed anyone else, even though there were some dances I enjoyed less and some more). There is a lot of 'Emma' bashing on these boards, I agree, although some of the other celebs and indeed a couple of the pros are also coming in for their fair share of personal (unfair and unwarranted criticism). It's making these boards very unpleasant.

Having said which, I have to say that she must put in the rehearsal time. Her lack of practice really showed on Saturday and I have stated elsewhere that although I accept she has other commitments, as does Darren, this hasn't stopped anyone else in the programme - all of them have commitments of some sort and have found the time to do more and more training. It's such a shame as she has the potential and could do so much more. Of course the judges' weird and wonderful marking (not just for her, mind you, but for others too!) has not helped endear her (although that's hardly her fault). She also has a tendancy to 'open mouth, insert foot' - something we all do from time to time but which may have cost her votes (and has certainly not helped her on the ds boards - not that the ds boards are particularly reflective of the GBP!).

I for one would love to see her come out on Saturday and perform a fantastic routine with Darren that will blow everyone away. Of course, some of the staunchest detractors on here will still spout their vitriol but it's not them she has to win over. They're in a minority. It's the 'floating voter' and the GBP she has to impress.

So, come on, Emma! (and come on, Mark and Karen and Carol and Matthew!!)!!!

I don't understand your last paragraph at all - as when the others dance well they are marked accordingly and when they dance badly the same - whereas Emma seems to get average marks for just being there! and NOOOOOO I am not Emma bashing I am trying to make sense of your reasoning - The Judges and in particular Bruno are making life difficult for her and along with the training footage showing her constantly saying I can't and its hard etc are probably why the public aren't voting for her - to voice another poster she does owe Darren more than she is giving as he is a very good choreographer - and before I get a barrage of complaints about her having a big workload - so does everyone else in the competition and Carol has a young family too

They turned in a good technical performance - the only fault was a lack of staccato head movements - the footwork and performance were excellent. Claire has been seen working hard to overcome Brendangate and the awful Salsa without whinging. But yes - they show that you can win the public back - but only through hard work!



Agreed - I thought the 8s were a bit generous - but Claire was undermarked (as Len admitted on ITT yesterday) and Carol's marks didn't match her comments. (on the low side given what was said by the panel) Brendan was right when he said the judges marks were all over the place - its better but still there!


It would entail her coming out and giving a performance which displayed good technique and footwork - something she hasn't actually managed to do so far this series. Her top half and arms are lovely - her legs and feet leave a lot to be desired. And if she wants the public to feel she's been marked fairly she needs to address that fact. Yes the judges should display fairness - and not ignore Emma's mistakes because of the lovely smile as they have been.


Quite - but those are just cringeworthy comments - not self justifying like Emma's were - Both those you quoted made me want to throw up!

We're now in the 4th series of SCD, and the viewers are more educated about what they are seeing on screen. We know what the dances SHOULD look like, and what constitutes a good and bad performance. We don't NEED the judges guidance as much now as we may have done in Series 1. I think that's why Emma in this series and Zoe in the last suffere at the public's hands - we can see the errors which arent pointed out for ourselves and make our own conclusions.

Maybe the judges should just make their remarks without scoring and then leave whoever goes down to the public vote?

Don't want to make an issue of this but I highlighted the part of your post to which I was referring - ie. if Emma goes this week it will be unfair.

I agree that Spoony and Ray should have remained in the comp. when they were voted out.

I too believed that the paddles were ready, but Bruno himself said on ITT that he overmarked Emma because he thought some of the other marks too low. I'm taking his word for it.

You are just so childish

Not childish but a grown up with a good perception of all round fairness. Buntons Bunnies is not MY name for the Emma devotees - should you read more on these forums you will see that - but hey is it not more childish to lash out with silly personal insults at another poster. Had you actually taken the time to read further on I did apologise if I upset anyone, perhaps you would be as courteous to do the same

I feel a bit sorry now for Emma - not that I would ever vote for anybody out of 'sympathy' - but she started off as a favourite and seems to be struggling now.

It'll be a shame if she goes out before the final, as I think she is at least better than Claire, Carol or Matt (whose deficiencies are well-hidden in ballroom but not the Latin!).

The thing I hate is that people seem to be insinuating thats its emmas fault she was the favourite or its emmas faults shes being over marked!
That poor girl is going into training like every other celeb in it, and on these forums is not given that much credit for it!!!
She is fantastic....ok so the bookies had her as favourite but she knew she'd have to put as much effort in as everyone else!
Give the poor girl a bloody break! She is working so hard (ok, so last week she had a heavy schedule but what other celebs haven't.) I just hope emma and darren don't take to heart whats being said about them!
Emma is brilliant!