I think "deluded" is thrown around far to easily in DS forums. "Vile" too, probably "coward" as well.

Lol I love that last sentence. Maybe only a mother could love him.......bless

In terms of going on the show and participating in the trials, he was a disaster..but I might be the only person on the forum that found them hilarious as I found him.

His fight with Phina has been the highlight so far for me. He was a total wimp and his complaints afterwords were even more hilarious.

But I still admire his delusions in his beliefs and not going with the grain.

He was off the wall and different from the usual compliant contestants and therefore memorable in that respect.

Whatever!!

I guess he should be admired for his delusion

Well it's a toos up between him and Jan

The audience is predominantly female. The reaction to males is to either hate them (Sezer) or to want sex with them and/or to mother them (Pete BB, Darren SCD........) basically what evolution would suggest it would be.

The reaction to really old females is what it historically has been - acceptance and respect - the menopause means they are not a competitor for younger women and older women tend to agree with them. The IACGMOOH older women tend to fit into the role rather well with an assumed wisdom and an upper middleclass bearing.

Give the audience a young female though and they are facing a competitor. At this point all sorts of bitchy arguments come into play as if people saw them as a personal threat. The contestant is fake, ugly, stupid, not to be trusted, has ideas above their station, is too successful to be there , not taking it seriously, taking it too seriously, flirting with the men, a slag ..........Thus you get the females attacked for being too emotional, too hard, too boring, too active, too passive, cooking too much to gain favour or being a stranger to the kitchen, being judgemental, or hiding their real views. People have even been attacked for their clothes being cheap or expensive and not looking after their make up or spending too long on it. On SCD being a good female dancer under 35 is fatal to your chances of winning and on BB being a strong natural female leader at best gets you 2% in the vote and at worst gets you thrown out to boos.

Basically its a hiding to nothing. Not all young female contestants on reality TV shows are strong but those that are obviously so end in tears. I don't think they overcompensate for being with strong women - they tend to do what comes naturally to them - its just that the female voters tend not to like it. Some women also ruin their own chances - Makosi was all over the place, changed allegiances daily and lied to the public about being pregnant. Kitten was a revolutionary who rebelled at the wrong time with an audience of conformists watching. Beyond that though the strong young women who lead or try to, tend not to be rewarded. Anna and Mel run BB1 but even Anna can't win. Elizabeth runs BB2 and copes better than Brian or Helen - she gets 2%. Shell grows stronger in BB5, she copes far better than Nadia and ends up mothering her - 2%. In BB7 Grace - who is the only alpha female in there - tries to lead - and is actually accepted by over half the HM, but the voting audience has the same problem as Bonnie who asked who the hell she was to be leading. Like Bonnie they seemed to draw the conclusion that Grace wouldn't like them either and responded accordingly.

The exceptions are interesting. If people don't subconsciously consider you a threat or a leader they havn't signed up for you can win. Michelle can win X Factor - she isn't a leader and isn't sexual competition because she is somewhat chubby. Jade can be successful because every woman in the country knows they are not inferior to Jade. Alex can win FA because she is obviously better but also is shy and unassuming and gay. Kate can win BB3 because she is tough, funny, vulnerable and likeable - she is incredibly alpha but in a quiet matey way that is acceptable to the female vote because she is unthreatening and like their group's leader or their mate. Its no coincidence that no other female has done it since and the females on Bb who were strong went out to boos or apathy whilst males won for winning one battle (BB1) or doing nothing (BB6)

Phina I fear is too overt. Myleene I think is about right - incredibly alpha but not acting overtly like it - but then so was Anna and she was beaten by a hunky male who had 5 dramatic minutes in the show. Leona on X factor is very shy - put a bet on her now.
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Crikey. That's one heap of sweeping generalisations masquerading as anthropology. What a lot of work to say nothing of any credibility.

I'd go along with that. Phina is far too abrasive. Myleene has impressed me. She's intelligent & diplomatic & has an air of calm about her. She seems to be a genuinely decent person. I think she'd be a worthy winner.

Agree with most of your comment, except that I don't see Myleene as remotely Alpha, even subversely. Myleene has 'got it right' because she is 'non-threatening' to everyone, but sacrifices her personality because of this. However, the winner will be male.

I have to disagree.

"Anthropology with thenetworkbabe" is one of the delights of these forums.


Humm. I don't think Myleene is sacrificing her personality at all. She's the same Myleene I've seen in other contexts.

All we know of her is from the 'media' context. I can't believe she really is that one dimensional. There must be more to her. None of us is 'one way' all the time.
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Not being funny but I think there's a difference between strong women and women who'll do owt for publicity to hopefully, please God, boost my career and earnings. Taxi for Phina?

That's ok. I didn't find it funny!

That's all right then Komol.

Think Phina's brilliant (even tho' I wouldn't know her if I fell over her) but there's being strong and being strong. The way she's going at it, she'll be voted out sooner rather than later. Lighten up Phi!

The whole 'strong woman' thing does my head in.

Not strnog, just gotan attitute problem and a big mouth, and not to mention, they are obnoxious

"They" Tibsy, are there more than ones in the jungle? Jeez not confusin' enough!

all women reality tv contestants in the UK get a very rough deal, after all Nikki won BB7 for a very weak male contestant in Pete

I quote:
"The audience is predominantly female. The reaction to males is to either hate them (Sezer) or to want sex with them and/or to mother them (Pete BB, Darren SCD........) basically what evolution would suggest it would be. "

and that's supposed to be some kind of credible statement? Aren't women allowed to like somebody for their personality as they might do in a social situation?

In Scott's case though, it's perfectly fair I think.

I don't agree that what we know of her shows her as one-dimensional.

I find it really sad that Myleene fans keep putting Phina down.

Phina has got no chance of winning.

Why if you like one woman on a RTV show have you got to hate the others?

Myleene or Phina to win!!! Both women possess winning qualities.