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Old 08-12-2006, 20:00
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If you were a by stander to everything that just happened with Norris and Ryan who's side would you take. Would you caution Norris for what he did.
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:02
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Sadly in this day and age the person trying to stand up for what is right is the one who has the law seemingly against them. Ok Norris is pompous, but Ryan was causing criminal damage. I have it at my house, the kids have almost completely demolished our garden wall since August.

Typical that the police should turn on Norris.
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:06
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Originally Posted by pablopicasso
Sadly in this day and age the person trying to stand up for what is right is the one who has the law seemingly against them. Ok Norris is pompous, but Ryan was causing criminal damage. I have it at my house, the kids have almost completely demolished our garden wall since August.

Typical that the police should turn on Norris.
I found the way in which Michelle handled it a bit odd. One minuite she is a really nice bar maid and now she suddenley turns all horrid and has a go at Norris before she even bothers to ask why Ryan is even there.
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:07
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The graffiti storyline is completely ridiculous.

I've been thinking for weeks now that people like Ken, Emily and Rita have been acting totally out of character and would be much more concerned about the graffiti. But they've made it so nobody else is bothered, to up the comedy value and make Norris seem like a fool.

The stuff with the police tonight was absolutely ludicrous and completely unrealistic.
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:13
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Originally Posted by IslandNiles
The graffiti storyline is completely ridiculous.

I've been thinking for weeks now that people like Ken, Emily and Rita have been acting totally out of character and would be much more concerned about the graffiti. But they've made it so nobody else is bothered, to up the comedy value and make Norris seem like a fool.

The stuff with the police tonight was absolutely ludicrous and completely unrealistic.
Yeah the whole writing of it is to make Norris out to be totally pompous. It is where Rita lives, she would be livid to have her property defaced like that, especially after she was attacked in her own flat a few months ago.
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:13
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How can Norris be in the wrong. It doesnt make sense.
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:19
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Ryan was wrong, but so was Norris. It's not as if he didn't know who the kid's mother was - like sean_brom said, she's not come across as unreasonable before now and Norris should have phoned her, not the police. I expect Norris would be the first to complain that 'there aren't enough police' (because they're all being called out to deal with Graffitti Jobs) and that 'the parents don't do a thing' (because he's cheerfully handing their parenting role over to the police).

Norris v Ryan 0-0
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:21
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LOL most of the time the parents never believe that 'their little angel' could do such a thing. It might be grafitti this week but if they are allowed to get away with that it just escalates.
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:37
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I support Noris and consider that the Police were totally out of order.

Criminal damage had taken place. Norris caught him in the act. He is permitted to arrest him and detain him in order to hand him over to the Police.

MIchelle is just a mother who supports their children regardless.
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:39
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Originally Posted by SULLA
I support Noris and consider that the Police were totally out of order.

Criminal damage had taken place. Norris caught him in the act. He is permitted to arrest him and detain him in order to hand him over to the Police.

MIchelle is just a mother who supports their children regardless.
Well said, I agree with you, It was hardly kidnap!
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Old 08-12-2006, 20:55
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The police were in the wrong. Attitudes like that from so-called enforcers of the law is a depressing thought

Poor Norris
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Old 08-12-2006, 21:02
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For sheer spite and for how annoying Norris is, send him down!
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Old 09-12-2006, 00:00
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Norris is annoying but I thhink he was completly in the right. the police have lost their plots.
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Old 09-12-2006, 00:27
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Originally Posted by IslandNiles
The graffiti storyline is completely ridiculous.

I've been thinking for weeks now that people like Ken, Emily and Rita have been acting totally out of character and would be much more concerned about the graffiti. But they've made it so nobody else is bothered, to up the comedy value and make Norris seem like a fool.
I couldn't agree more. Ken in particular would be livid about it (remember the uproar when they thought the cobbles might be replaced by tarmac and spoil the "look" of the street)?

Norris has driven me bonkers lately, continually accusing Chesney, but his basic principles are right. Damage to property is a crime. Would the kid like it if Norris threw paint all over his hoodie and called it art? The citizen's arrest was destined to be a disaster from the start. Nobody in their right minds would lay a hand on a kid these days, even in self defence
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Old 09-12-2006, 00:40
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In real life the Police would not have arrested Norris as they did in that scene , it would have to have been a far more physical restraint carried out on the kid for them to do that , and they would not have acted so nicey nice with the kid straight away .

It is we have to remember artistic licence for the Norris storyline.

Having said that , there are many cases where the police do side with the wrong person , sometimes inadvertantly and others due to the pc rules we live under these days but thats a sign of the state this country is in .
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:48
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who is right Norris or the Police =

Legally The Police
Morally Norris

No wonder children nowadays are so unruly, they know they can get away with anything. Way back when Corrie started Dennis Tanner was a hooligan and he got a quick clip round his ear from Elsie. I'm not sure it worked though as I think he ended up in prison!
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:56
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Bring back the days when coppers clouted kids round the ear hole. Then we would not be in this mess we are today.
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Old 09-12-2006, 09:59
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Originally Posted by skp20040
In real life the Police would not have arrested Norris as they did in that scene , it would have to have been a far more physical restraint carried out on the kid for them to do that , and they would not have acted so nicey nice with the kid straight away .

It is we have to remember artistic licence for the Norris storyline.

Having said that , there are many cases where the police do side with the wrong person , sometimes inadvertantly and others due to the pc rules we live under these days but thats a sign of the state this country is in .
Absolutely right, the police couldn't arrest Norris on the grounds that neither party could prove their innocence. Bad writing I'm afraid Corrie, they should really check up with people before making a mockery of this story.
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Old 09-12-2006, 12:08
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Originally Posted by manu
Absolutely right, the police couldn't arrest Norris on the grounds that neither party could prove their innocence. Bad writing I'm afraid Corrie, they should really check up with people before making a mockery of this story.
Did I watch a different episode to some people

I agree there was no proof against Ryan as the paint wasn't there and the paint was dry

I could have sworn though that Norris locked Ryan in the shop against his will, this is what Norris was cautioned for

I thought at the time while it was on, Norris will be the one in the wrong for false imprisonment (right or wrong, Norris was on the wrong side of the law in doing this)

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Old 09-12-2006, 12:45
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Originally Posted by paulsalter
Did I watch a different episode to some people

I agree there was no proof against Ryan as the paint wasn't there and the paint was dry

I could have sworn though that Norris locked Ryan in the shop against his will, this is what Norris was cautioned for

I thought at the time while it was on, Norris will be the one in the wrong for false imprisonment (right or wrong, Norris was on the wrong side of the law in doing this)

Yes but Norris had evidence of a crime and thought that had comitted that crime, so he did yes lock him in the shop but when the Police arrived they said to Norris , " you have made a citizens arrest" , so if he had made a citizens arrest he was not actually holding somone against their will or kidnapping. If this was the case that anyone who made a citizens arrest was charged with "holding against will" or "kidnap" , then that would put a lot of people in trouble including the Polices very own Police Community Support officers who only have the power to detain for 30 mins and citizens arrest after that time.

The law states :

Arrestable Offences s24 PACE
Any person may arrest without warrant

any person who is in the act of committing an arrestable offence;
any person whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting is committing an arrestable offence;
where an arrestable offence has been committed, anyone who has committed the offence; or
where an arrestable offence has been committed, anyone who he has reasonable grounds for suspecting has committed the offence.
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Old 09-12-2006, 12:53
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Originally Posted by skp20040
Yes but Norris had evidence of a crime and thought that had comitted that crime, so he did yes lock him in the shop but when the Police arrived they said to Norris , " you have made a citizens arrest" , so if he had made a citizens arrest he was not actually holding somone against their will or kidnapping. If this was the case that anyone who made a citizens arrest was charged with "holding against will" or "kidnap" , then that would put a lot of people in trouble including the Polices very own Police Community Support officers who only have the power to detain for 30 mins and citizens arrest after that time.

The law states :

Arrestable Offences s24 PACE
Any person may arrest without warrant

any person who is in the act of committing an arrestable offence;
any person whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting is committing an arrestable offence;
where an arrestable offence has been committed, anyone who has committed the offence; or
where an arrestable offence has been committed, anyone who he has reasonable grounds for suspecting has committed the offence.
So what info did the police have to go on

Did Ryan have the paint
Did anyone else see him paint the wall
Was there any evidence that he actually did it (apart from Norris word)

Did Norris lock Ryan in the shop

Like it or not, there was no evidence to show Ryan had done anything, but evidence that Norris locked him in the shop
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Old 09-12-2006, 12:56
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thats the british justice system for you nowadays, it sucks!
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Old 09-12-2006, 13:02
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Originally Posted by paulsalter
So what info did the police have to go on

Did Ryan have the paint
Did anyone else see him paint the wall
Was there any evidence that he actually did it (apart from Norris word)

Did Norris lock Ryan in the shop

Like it or not, there was no evidence to show Ryan had done anything, but evidence that Norris locked him in the shop

No 2 says that if you have reasonable grounds to suspect. Any Police Officer worth his salt would having seen evidence of the spray paint on the window have realised there was a problem and if he thought the kid was innocent asked Norris to apologise for the misunderstanding let the kid go and then had a word with Norris about being more careful in future. Especially as there was no evidence of kidnap or violence but a straight forward citizens arrest followed by an immediate 999 call, and on their arrival the discovery of two perfectly calm people waiting for them.

They would not have as seen in that episode automatically side with the kid and been quite as sarcy as they were and got the kids parents there etc . It would have been put to bed a lot quicker, they could have course also have listened to Norris and looked further into his allegation that the kid was involved .
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Old 09-12-2006, 13:06
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Originally Posted by skp20040
Especially as there was no evidence of kidnap or violence but a straight forward citizens arrest followed by an immediate 999 call, and on their arrival the discovery of two perfectly calm people waiting for them.
Perhaps you should watch the espisode again

I could have sworn that Norris locked him in the shop against his will (this is kidnap)

When the police arrived

What was the evidence that Ryan had done anything
What was the evidence that Norris had done anything

YOU CANNOT LOCK SOMEONE UP AGAINST THERE WILL
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Old 09-12-2006, 13:08
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Originally Posted by skp20040
let the kid go and then had a word with Norris about being more careful in future. .
This is what happened

Or do you think a caution is the same as being arrested
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