Someone started this thread and it has just been arbitrarily closed by the moderators, would anyone like to tell us why?
BBC SCD Insider praises Emma in press
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Originally Posted by cissy scouse:
“Can you tell us the story behind it - quickly!”
“Can you tell us the story behind it - quickly!”
Err..
I think the original poster should do this.
But this was part of my response which I repeated elsewhere, so I've just dragged it across.
The playing field will be as level as the producers of SCD and SCDT2 want to make it.
During the run up to Children in Need it was particularly bumpy at one end and nice and smooth at the other. After CIN, they decided to level it out a bit but probably pushed the bumps too far down one end to Ms Bunton's disadvantage. Lately they've tried to redress the balance, but after the last two programmes of IT2 it seems we're back to the situation during CIN with the bumps at one end.
I don't suppose they've got the sense to realise that if they left it alone in the first place and not selected a competitor to promote CIN it would have been and could have remained, level.
You only have to think "What could they mess with which will improve the ratings and ensure we have one male and one female celebrity in the final?" and everything will fall into place.
At the moment there's; producers, insiders, judges, spokespersons, friends, professionals, etc., all running around the playingfield with spades of all sorts of sizes, so what will happen is anyone's guess, which will suit the BBC.
Last edited by Doghouse Riley : 09-12-2006 at 11:35
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Someone started this thread and it has just been arbitrarily closed by the moderators, would anyone like to tell us why?”
“Someone started this thread and it has just been arbitrarily closed by the moderators, would anyone like to tell us why?”
How do you know it was arbitrarily closed?
Perhaps someone requested closure....or a forum rule was broken.....or maybe it was a triangulation of crossfire with a shadowy gunman on the grassy knoll making the kill shot.
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Originally Posted by Endemoniada:
“....or maybe it was a triangulation of crossfire with a shadowy gunman on the grassy knoll making the kill shot.”
“....or maybe it was a triangulation of crossfire with a shadowy gunman on the grassy knoll making the kill shot.”
It was aliens but the government is now trying to cover it up
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“It was aliens but the government is now trying to cover it up”
“It was aliens but the government is now trying to cover it up
”
No, no, no. MI5 did it, they were ordered by the government.
If I remember seeing correctly, the original poster said in a subsequent message that they were going to ask for the thread to be closed. This was because of a reply to the original post (which I can remember the gist of, but I can't remember what was in the reply).
I hope that's as clear as mud.
I hope that's as clear as mud.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Err..
I think the original poster should do this.
But this was part of my response which I repeated elsewhere, so I've just dragged it across.
The playing field will be as level as the producers of SCD and SCDT2 want to make it.
During the run up to Children in Need it was particularly bumpy at one end and nice and smooth at the other. After CIN, they decided to level it out a bit but probably pushed the bumps too far down one end to Ms Bunton's disadvantage. Lately they've tried to redress the balance, but after the last two programmes of IT2 it seems we're back to the situation during CIN with the bumps at one end.
I don't suppose they've got the sense to realise that if they left it alone in the first place and not selected a competitor to promote CIN it would have been and could have remained, level.
You only have to think "What could they mess with which will improve the ratings and ensure we have one male and one female celebrity in the final?" and everything will fall into place.
At the moment there's; producers, insiders, judges, spokespersons, friends, professionals, etc., all running around the playingfield with spades of all sorts of sizes, so what will happen is anyone's guess, which will suit the BBC.”
“Err..
I think the original poster should do this.
But this was part of my response which I repeated elsewhere, so I've just dragged it across.
The playing field will be as level as the producers of SCD and SCDT2 want to make it.
During the run up to Children in Need it was particularly bumpy at one end and nice and smooth at the other. After CIN, they decided to level it out a bit but probably pushed the bumps too far down one end to Ms Bunton's disadvantage. Lately they've tried to redress the balance, but after the last two programmes of IT2 it seems we're back to the situation during CIN with the bumps at one end.
I don't suppose they've got the sense to realise that if they left it alone in the first place and not selected a competitor to promote CIN it would have been and could have remained, level.
You only have to think "What could they mess with which will improve the ratings and ensure we have one male and one female celebrity in the final?" and everything will fall into place.
At the moment there's; producers, insiders, judges, spokespersons, friends, professionals, etc., all running around the playingfield with spades of all sorts of sizes, so what will happen is anyone's guess, which will suit the BBC.”
Well, that's the problem, isn't it? I would defy anyone running the SCD/CIN marketing campaigns to deny that not only were they banking on Emma being in the final but that they have a vested interest in helping to achieve that. No marketeer in their right mind would use one of the SCD contestants as the pivot between SCD and the CIN campaign and simply shrug their shoulders if said pivot was knocked out of the programme at an early stage. Don't forget, the vested interest in question involves money, a lot of it (ours, as it happens) AND the prolonged success of the CIN appeal. And don't kid yourselves that the BBC are solely interested in how much money CIN raises - apart from the good causes supported, the CIN marketing campaign is a vital element of the BBC's corporate social responsibility (CSR) marketing effort. CSR marketing is vital to large corporations, each and every one of them. The connection between CIN and an SCD contestant speaks volumes to me, and no one will persuade me otherwise.
I certainly believe that there was a concerted effort ito keep Emma in till the final, but as people aren't voting for her, it's not really raising money is it? I thought it was maybe a deal she had struck in agreeing to take part. So BBC gets a higher profile star, she gets to raise her profile more.
Originally Posted by cissy scouse:
“Can you tell us the story behind it - quickly!”
“Can you tell us the story behind it - quickly!”
If you mean 'what was in the original post?' then think of the heading of this thread. The article is online.
Originally Posted by nelliek:
“If I remember seeing correctly, the original poster said in a subsequent message that they were going to ask for the thread to be closed. This was because of a reply to the original post (which I can remember the gist of, but I can't remember what was in the reply).
I hope that's as clear as mud.”
“If I remember seeing correctly, the original poster said in a subsequent message that they were going to ask for the thread to be closed. This was because of a reply to the original post (which I can remember the gist of, but I can't remember what was in the reply).
I hope that's as clear as mud.”
I posted the article .
Greytop has linked it in the Everything SCD thread .
I thought it was worth us seeing as it highlighted the behind the scenes machinations .
Within 3 replies ,I was accused of astarting another thread to " have a go " at Emma .
Not true .
So I asked to have it removed as there is enough personal comments about 4 people we don't know , ( especially Mark this week )with feelings , who are putting themselves on the line every Saturday Night .2 are way outside their comfort zone and 2 already have SOME skill , whatever , it's just entertainmen t.The article is 3/4 page with pics , one from training VT , Emma is crying .
We are told how ahrd it is , how she had ballet trainng as a teenager and a BBC insider says how lovely she is and how wel lliked at the BBC .etc ./
you can see the link on Greytop's thread .
Now I have an innate sense of fair play and this week I have felt there has been no chwrae teg at all , with some contestants being given big boost and others left to have confidence taken away .
Originally Posted by cissy scouse:
“I certainly believe that there was a concerted effort ito keep Emma in till the final, but as people aren't voting for her, it's not really raising money is it? I thought it was maybe a deal she had struck in agreeing to take part. So BBC gets a higher profile star, she gets to raise her profile more.”
“I certainly believe that there was a concerted effort ito keep Emma in till the final, but as people aren't voting for her, it's not really raising money is it? I thought it was maybe a deal she had struck in agreeing to take part. So BBC gets a higher profile star, she gets to raise her profile more.”
I'm talking about the amount of money invested by the BBC in the marketing campaign itself. That's licence payers money. And marketing campaigns are horrendously expensive. The point I was making is that if you've spent a lot of dosh devising and executing a marketing campaign - and in this case, TWO marketing campaigns are involved (i.e. SCD and CIN) - then you want to keep the connecting lynchpin in place i.e. Emma. If you're looking at it from a marketing perspective it's all very simple, basic stuff.
Fancynancy I agree with everything you have said. If the BBC had left well alone, none of this current 'situation' would have occurred in the way that it has. As it is, the BBC have got what they deserve.
Most people know deep down that the BBC have been tinkering with the programme's format (as do all tv production companies) in order to point it in a particular direction. The quality and the standard of dancing in this series, surpasses all other series of SCD by far, and as a result, some members of the public are trying to deny what is blatent BBC interference in a process that is far from fair and equitable to all taking part. It cannot be denied, however, and when this series is over, I am sure we will hear more about what has gone on, although of course, we will never hear about everything.
The producers of this programme have spoiled a successful formula. I read somewhere that Darren and Emma are scheduled to 'represent' SCD in some kind of quiz programme over the Christmas/New Year period. Surely that 'honour' should be for the winner of SCD? Why name a couple weeks before the event, they could have just stated "and the winners of SCD4" A particular plan/hope/whatever was thought of before this series even began, and as much as I feel sorry for the people involved (who to varying degrees are 'innocent' in all of this) I want to see the BBC plans scuppered.
I will not give them the satisfaction of maintaining their viewing figures caused by all this 'controversy', as that ultimatley gives them what the BBC are hoping for, but I have now stopped watching altogether, and the ITT programme for the same reason.
I am a dancing fan, and I just love to watch dancing full stop, but I will not be manipulated into watching a programme where I believe it is being 'produced' incorrectly and in so doing create a false level of popularity depicted in the viewing figures.
I fully respect everyone who still watches it, but I do not think the producers would even contemplate changing some blatent bias scenarios, if viewing figures are still high and maybe even increase.
As I have said, most of the dancers are way above previous SCD celebs in terms of dancing skill, but they lack 'magic' on the dance floor, and combined with the fact that it is clear the BBC only have some of them there to 'make up the numbers', I am bored by the whole thing. I have absolutely no interest in who wins this year, and I think that is a sad indication of how this series has come across to some of the viewing public. Albeit a small number.
Last edited by Bruno's Girl : 09-12-2006 at 13:39
Most people know deep down that the BBC have been tinkering with the programme's format (as do all tv production companies) in order to point it in a particular direction. The quality and the standard of dancing in this series, surpasses all other series of SCD by far, and as a result, some members of the public are trying to deny what is blatent BBC interference in a process that is far from fair and equitable to all taking part. It cannot be denied, however, and when this series is over, I am sure we will hear more about what has gone on, although of course, we will never hear about everything.
The producers of this programme have spoiled a successful formula. I read somewhere that Darren and Emma are scheduled to 'represent' SCD in some kind of quiz programme over the Christmas/New Year period. Surely that 'honour' should be for the winner of SCD? Why name a couple weeks before the event, they could have just stated "and the winners of SCD4" A particular plan/hope/whatever was thought of before this series even began, and as much as I feel sorry for the people involved (who to varying degrees are 'innocent' in all of this) I want to see the BBC plans scuppered.
I will not give them the satisfaction of maintaining their viewing figures caused by all this 'controversy', as that ultimatley gives them what the BBC are hoping for, but I have now stopped watching altogether, and the ITT programme for the same reason.
I am a dancing fan, and I just love to watch dancing full stop, but I will not be manipulated into watching a programme where I believe it is being 'produced' incorrectly and in so doing create a false level of popularity depicted in the viewing figures.
I fully respect everyone who still watches it, but I do not think the producers would even contemplate changing some blatent bias scenarios, if viewing figures are still high and maybe even increase.
As I have said, most of the dancers are way above previous SCD celebs in terms of dancing skill, but they lack 'magic' on the dance floor, and combined with the fact that it is clear the BBC only have some of them there to 'make up the numbers', I am bored by the whole thing. I have absolutely no interest in who wins this year, and I think that is a sad indication of how this series has come across to some of the viewing public. Albeit a small number.
Last edited by Bruno's Girl : 09-12-2006 at 13:39
Originally Posted by cissy scouse:
“So BBC gets a higher profile star, she gets to raise her profile more.”
“So BBC gets a higher profile star, she gets to raise her profile more.”
Her "profile" was about floor level before this programme started, except in the eyes of a few on here.
"History is history" and before SCD she was it.
If you'd "googled" her name as I did as soon as her name was announced for inclusion in SCD, all I could find was a couple of references to charity show appearances and the most recent, a year old.
Originally Posted by Bruno's Girl:
“Fancynancy I agree with everything you have said. If the BBC had left well alone, none of this current 'situation' would have occurred in the way that it has. As it is, the BBC have got what they deserve.
Most people know deep down that the BBC have been tinkering with the programme's format (as do all tv production companies) in order to point it in a particular direction. The quality and the standard of dancing in this series, surpasses all other series of SCD by far, and as a result, some members of the public are trying to deny what is blatent BBC interference in a process that is far from fair and equitable to all taking part. It cannot be denied, however, and when this series is over, I am sure we will hear more about what has gone on, although of course, we will never hear about everything.
The producers of this programme have spoiled a successful formula. I read somewhere that Darren and Emma are scheduled to 'represent' SCD in some kind of quiz programme over the Christmas/New Year period. Surely that 'honour' should be for the winner of SCD? Why name a couple weeks before the event, they could have just stated "and the winners of SCD4" A particular plan/hope/whatever was thought of before this series even began, and as much as I feel sorry for the people involved (who to varying degrees are 'innocent' in all of this) I want to see the BBC plans scuppered.
I will not give them the satisfaction of maintaining their viewing figures caused by all this 'controversy', as that ultimatley gives them what the BBC are hoping for, but I have now stopped watching altogether, and the ITT programme for the same reason.
I am a dancing fan, and I just love to watch dancing full stop, but I will not be manipulated into watching a programme where I believe it is being 'produced' incorrectly and in so doing create a false level of popularity depicted in the viewing figures.
I fully respect everyone who still watches it, but I do not think the producers would even contemplate changing some blatent bias scenarios, if viewing figures are still high and maybe even increase.
As I have said, most of the dancers are way above previous SCD celebs in terms of dancing skill, but they lack 'magic' on the dance floor, and combined with the fact that it is clear the BBC only have some of them there to 'make up the numbers', I am bored by the whole thing. I have absolutely no interest in who wins this year, and I think that is a sad indication of how this series has come across to some of the viewing public. Albeit a small number.”
“Fancynancy I agree with everything you have said. If the BBC had left well alone, none of this current 'situation' would have occurred in the way that it has. As it is, the BBC have got what they deserve.
Most people know deep down that the BBC have been tinkering with the programme's format (as do all tv production companies) in order to point it in a particular direction. The quality and the standard of dancing in this series, surpasses all other series of SCD by far, and as a result, some members of the public are trying to deny what is blatent BBC interference in a process that is far from fair and equitable to all taking part. It cannot be denied, however, and when this series is over, I am sure we will hear more about what has gone on, although of course, we will never hear about everything.
The producers of this programme have spoiled a successful formula. I read somewhere that Darren and Emma are scheduled to 'represent' SCD in some kind of quiz programme over the Christmas/New Year period. Surely that 'honour' should be for the winner of SCD? Why name a couple weeks before the event, they could have just stated "and the winners of SCD4" A particular plan/hope/whatever was thought of before this series even began, and as much as I feel sorry for the people involved (who to varying degrees are 'innocent' in all of this) I want to see the BBC plans scuppered.
I will not give them the satisfaction of maintaining their viewing figures caused by all this 'controversy', as that ultimatley gives them what the BBC are hoping for, but I have now stopped watching altogether, and the ITT programme for the same reason.
I am a dancing fan, and I just love to watch dancing full stop, but I will not be manipulated into watching a programme where I believe it is being 'produced' incorrectly and in so doing create a false level of popularity depicted in the viewing figures.
I fully respect everyone who still watches it, but I do not think the producers would even contemplate changing some blatent bias scenarios, if viewing figures are still high and maybe even increase.
As I have said, most of the dancers are way above previous SCD celebs in terms of dancing skill, but they lack 'magic' on the dance floor, and combined with the fact that it is clear the BBC only have some of them there to 'make up the numbers', I am bored by the whole thing. I have absolutely no interest in who wins this year, and I think that is a sad indication of how this series has come across to some of the viewing public. Albeit a small number.”
I've said this all along.
Ratings are the driving force and everything else is secondary.
We had the ridiculous situation of so many participants this year, that they had to split the sexes to accomodate all the couples. Got to drag it ot for as long as possible to compete with ITV's schedule.
This is supposed to be a family show and it was ridiculous to have all the female dancers one week and the males the next.
The worrying factor is "what will happen next year?"
Whoever produces it in 2007, will want to beat this year's ratings, that's the "fixation" the BBC have with everything.
So expect more changes to appeal to an even wider audience. This certainly won't mean that they will be "dance related" a minor consideration, when chasing a bigger audience.
I'm reading some of this thread and I have to say that I'm glad only a very small minority, probably about 1% visit message boards relating to their favourite programme. I'm a big Strictly Come Dancing fan, but I'm tired of reading about the BBC being bias, the judges being bias, and everyone else being bias. Its a great TV show, but just a TV show and the vast, vast majority enjoy it for what it is. Reading these messages are crazy, everyone at the BBC is plotting god knows what. Just chill out!
I was never an Emma fan but thanks to all the hostility on these messages I will be voting for her tonight, as will all my friends. I think she's the best all round dancer and I hate all the nastiness that is going on concerning her.
So, I gather you won't be watching Strictly Come Dancing any more, if the BBC are so bias! I honestly don't know where you get this nonsense from. Just remember, its only a show, which the vast majority of us enjoy it for what it is, a great nights entertainment.
I was never an Emma fan but thanks to all the hostility on these messages I will be voting for her tonight, as will all my friends. I think she's the best all round dancer and I hate all the nastiness that is going on concerning her.
So, I gather you won't be watching Strictly Come Dancing any more, if the BBC are so bias! I honestly don't know where you get this nonsense from. Just remember, its only a show, which the vast majority of us enjoy it for what it is, a great nights entertainment.
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“I'm reading some of this thread and I have to say that I'm glad only a very small minority, probably about 1% visit message boards relating to their favourite programme. I'm a big Strictly Come Dancing fan, but I'm tired of reading about the BBC being bias, the judges being bias, and everyone else being bias. Its a great TV show, but just a TV show and the vast, vast majority enjoy it for what it is. Reading these messages are crazy, everyone at the BBC is plotting god knows what. Just chill out!
I was never an Emma fan but thanks to all the hostility on these messages I will be voting for her tonight, as will all my friends. I think she's the best all round dancer and I hate all the nastiness that is going on concerning her.
So, I gather you won't be watching Strictly Come Dancing any more, if the BBC are so bias! I honestly don't know where you get this nonsense from. Just remember, its only a show, which the vast majority of us enjoy it for what it is, a great nights entertainment.”
“I'm reading some of this thread and I have to say that I'm glad only a very small minority, probably about 1% visit message boards relating to their favourite programme. I'm a big Strictly Come Dancing fan, but I'm tired of reading about the BBC being bias, the judges being bias, and everyone else being bias. Its a great TV show, but just a TV show and the vast, vast majority enjoy it for what it is. Reading these messages are crazy, everyone at the BBC is plotting god knows what. Just chill out!
I was never an Emma fan but thanks to all the hostility on these messages I will be voting for her tonight, as will all my friends. I think she's the best all round dancer and I hate all the nastiness that is going on concerning her.
So, I gather you won't be watching Strictly Come Dancing any more, if the BBC are so bias! I honestly don't know where you get this nonsense from. Just remember, its only a show, which the vast majority of us enjoy it for what it is, a great nights entertainment.”
What? Why, when it gives us all so much to talk (and rant) about? Although the bias does annoy me, it also makes me happy when I see other people picking up on it too - it means we're not all a nation of battery hens being force fed whatever is churned into our troughs! 
Maybe, however, we are all paranoid androids... OR! Maybe that's what the BBC want us to think! That's it, I'm voting for Emma!
Or am I?
PS, I think the word you want is 'biased'
Last edited by xadie : 09-12-2006 at 15:36
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“I'm reading some of this thread and I have to say that I'm glad only a very small minority, probably about 1% visit message boards relating to their favourite programme. I'm a big Strictly Come Dancing fan, but I'm tired of reading about the BBC being bias, the judges being bias, and everyone else being bias. Its a great TV show, but just a TV show and the vast, vast majority enjoy it for what it is. Reading these messages are crazy, everyone at the BBC is plotting god knows what. Just chill out!
I was never an Emma fan but thanks to all the hostility on these messages I will be voting for her tonight, as will all my friends. I think she's the best all round dancer and I hate all the nastiness that is going on concerning her.
So, I gather you won't be watching Strictly Come Dancing any more, if the BBC are so bias! I honestly don't know where you get this nonsense from. Just remember, its only a show, which the vast majority of us enjoy it for what it is, a great nights entertainment.”
“I'm reading some of this thread and I have to say that I'm glad only a very small minority, probably about 1% visit message boards relating to their favourite programme. I'm a big Strictly Come Dancing fan, but I'm tired of reading about the BBC being bias, the judges being bias, and everyone else being bias. Its a great TV show, but just a TV show and the vast, vast majority enjoy it for what it is. Reading these messages are crazy, everyone at the BBC is plotting god knows what. Just chill out!
I was never an Emma fan but thanks to all the hostility on these messages I will be voting for her tonight, as will all my friends. I think she's the best all round dancer and I hate all the nastiness that is going on concerning her.
So, I gather you won't be watching Strictly Come Dancing any more, if the BBC are so bias! I honestly don't know where you get this nonsense from. Just remember, its only a show, which the vast majority of us enjoy it for what it is, a great nights entertainment.”
Sorry I only read a few threads so I'm in no way in a position to be so positive about percentages.
Neither do I "get tired reading stuff", 'cos if I don't agree with someone's opinion, I more often than not if it is a long post, don't bother to read it all and those I do, let them pass without comment.
As for criticing someone for actually having an opinion, or whether I think they should or should not watch this programme, I leave that to people such as yourself.
To me this is just a message board and people can say exactly what they like within the board rules, everyone's entitled to state their opinion.
Last edited by Doghouse Riley : 09-12-2006 at 15:34
Originally Posted by moonglow:
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I was never an Emma fan but thanks to all the hostility on these messages I will be voting for her tonight, as will all my friends. I think she's the best all round dancer and I hate all the nastiness that is going on concerning her.
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I was never an Emma fan but thanks to all the hostility on these messages I will be voting for her tonight, as will all my friends. I think she's the best all round dancer and I hate all the nastiness that is going on concerning her.
.”
i'm with you on this
.........the nastiness meted out to emma ..on some threads on this forum...adds nothing to what should be a constructive criticism ( or praise) of all the dancers of this very entertaining programme
but it's nice to see that some nastier posters comments have been curtailed
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“Reading these messages are crazy, everyone at the BBC is plotting god knows what. Just chill out!”
“Reading these messages are crazy, everyone at the BBC is plotting god knows what. Just chill out!”
It gives pause for thought. If people can be this paranoid about a cheesey Saturday evening light-entertainment pro-celebreality talent show, you have to wonder what they must be thinking about things which actually matter.
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