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loz2601
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by Lovely Liz:
“I think that you must be watching a different show to me. I have seen lots of footage of Matt and Lilia fooling around and sending themselves up. Indeed I even saw that quoted yesterday as 'biased VT footage' to show that Matt isn't taking it seriously!

So he wants to win? What's so wrong about that. He listens intelligently to the judges' comments and works on whatever they mention.

He doesn't try and justify himself or talk about how difficult he is finding it. And he seems prepared to take the final decision gracefully, without a quivering lip.

By all means, criticise the dancing but your post was way into irrelevant personal criticism.”

Took the words right out of my mouth.
Agree with your other points as well. Always comes across as a bit of a joker to me!
moorchild
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by Wingpatrol:
“Between Mark and Matt, Matt is the better dancer.

He is technically good, has fantastic lines and holds himself better than Mark.

Mark's lunges are stilted, he holds his jaw out, his shoulders are hunched and he's stilted with many of his steps. Mark has a more visible relaxed style than Matt and Mark lets himself go but to the detrement of the dance and technical requirements.

Matt started off slowly and was way behind Mark in the dancing stakes but has now overtaken him and is the better dancer.”

Yes, I agree with this. I know Mark has flashes of pezazz but I think Matt is technically better and I often see something uncomfortable about Mark's posture and lack of fluidity. I also have noticed myself smiling when I see Matt dance! Tonight, I think Mark should have gone - even more than Emma. Louisa and Vincent should have stayed in.
clu
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Before the first verdict was announced, the judges each picked a different "favourite"

When Emma "Gosh what a surpise!" ended up in the final two, they all picked Emma.
"What's wrong with this picture?"”

nothing ....
GlenP
09-12-2006
Voted for both Matt & Lilia & Darren & Emma & I have no regrets about having done so.

Matt has become a very capable dancer over the course of the series. I, for one, hold that part of the attraction of SCD is that you don't vote for the natural dancers, who've demonstrated this from the start of the series; if this were the case, we could simply have a single show where each couple dance the same ballroom & Latin dances, with identical music & choreography & then declare the winner, it is also about watching people develop new skills & become betterat dancing, week by week.

It is on the basis that I believe that Matt Dawson has shown the most improvement as a dancer over the course of the series & has become a very good dancer, that I voted.

With regard to Darren & Emma, she started out by demonstrating a talent for dancing & has been, probably, the most consistent performer & therefore also gets my support.

The only scandal is that they ever thought to inflict such a sadistic elimination method as tongiht's dance-off on the couples; for what a ppears to have been the sole purpose of spicing things up after finally realising that they wouldn't have the thrills of a 3 couple, 2 part Final.
mindyann
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“Scissor Sister, I agree with a lot of what you have to say.

I'm a really big Lilia fan but have never taken to Matt. Find him sarcastic, miserable (when he does smile its so false) and very arrogant. He's a pretty good dancer in the waltz but thats about it. He should have gone tonight and I wish he had, tho' I would have missed seeing Lilia.

I don't understand why he's still there. How people can say that he's a better dancer than Mark is beyond me.

I felt sorry for Louisa leaving tonight and I think a lot of people will blame Matt for that.

And as for that comment that Craig said regarding people should vote for the dancing rather than the personalities, he's spot on and well done to him for saying it. The public do vote for personality over the dancing (so why vote Matt?!) and that is why it should be left to the judges to decide who goes through, not the public.”

I must be in the minority here, 'cos I really don't see Matt as arrogant. I find him quite funny in an ironic self depreciating kind of way.
I see him as someone who is doing something completely alien and really trying. It's hard to be smiley and perform when it's not what you are used to and you are concentrating on 3 or 4 totally seperate things.

He has improved so much from he begining. It's easy to be good at something you are good at, if you see what I mean but to have started so far behind most of the other contestants and have trained, and listed and improved to the stanard he is at now is impressive.

As I said before, it is as much about personality as the dancing at their behest - and the judges would never be allowed to decide the final outcome - they need the phone votes.
adamcm
09-12-2006
It's such a shame that Emma is getting into the bottom 2, as she has performed the best and been voted the best.

I do agree that Matt has vastly improved since the first show, but surely Emma and Louisa are better dancers than he is...
Lovely Liz
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by moonglow:
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And as for that comment that Craig said regarding people should vote for the dancing rather than the personalities, he's spot on and well done to him for saying it. The public do vote for personality over the dancing (so why vote Matt?!) and that is why it should be left to the judges to decide who goes through, not the public.”

Are you honestly telling me that you believe CRH is voting purely on the dance element himself?
purplecat
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“I must be in the minority here, 'cos I really don't see Matt as arrogant. I find him quite funny in an ironic self depreciating kind of way.
I see him as someone who is doing something completely alien and really trying. It's hard to be smiley and perform when it's not what you are used to and you are concentrating on 3 or 4 totally seperate things.

He has improved so much from he begining. It's easy to be good at something you are good at, if you see what I mean but to have started so far behind most of the other contestants and have trained, and listed and improved to the stanard he is at now is impressive.

As I said before, it is as much about personality as the dancing at their behest - and the judges would never be allowed to decide the final outcome - they need the phone votes.”

Well said. I think he deserves to be in the SF
Tango Trish
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by Scissor*Sister:
“Not as well as Mark, Louisa or Emma though.

And that is why he shouldn't be there. And he's such an unlikeable, competative moron at times. If he wins, i'm going to be highly disappointed.”

and you know him personally to be qualified to make this sort of comment do you? Obviously you didn't watch ITT last night then Yes he will be competitive HE WAS A SPORTSMAN YOU KNOW

Let me guess you are an Emma fan
mindyann
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by Stella Street:
“Colin got 36 for his rumba, even though it was worth at least one 10”


Cool - that's a relief - Colin is still Roomba king!
DebbieH
09-12-2006
My mum’s just made an interesting point. Did anyone else notice that the criticism
Arlene voiced about Emma on ITT had all but vanished in her feedback tonight, even though she wasn’t all that improved at times?
Tango Trish
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“I felt sorry for Louisa leaving tonight and I think a lot of people will blame Matt for that.”

I think people should (if they insist on apportioning blame) look no further than the judges - it was THEM and only THEM who put Louisa at the bottom - how can that be Matts fault

Another person who obviously didn't see Matt and Lilia on ITT last night - he came across as the most personable of the celebrities left, his little vtr in training with Lilia was superb and v v v funny. I also felt very sorry for Louisa leaving tonight as out of the two the Judges and the GPB put in the bottom - she should have stayed - but to blame Matt for her downfall is barmy
loz2601
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“I must be in the minority here, 'cos I really don't see Matt as arrogant. I find him quite funny in an ironic self depreciating kind of way.
I see him as someone who is doing something completely alien and really trying. It's hard to be smiley and perform when it's not what you are used to and you are concentrating on 3 or 4 totally seperate things.

He has improved so much from he begining. It's easy to be good at something you are good at, if you see what I mean but to have started so far behind most of the other contestants and have trained, and listed and improved to the stanard he is at now is impressive.

As I said before, it is as much about personality as the dancing at their behest - and the judges would never be allowed to decide the final outcome - they need the phone votes.”

Well if you are, so am I.
I think he is funny, seeing him on this and on QOS.
Matt & Lilia my favourites now Louisa and Vincent are out.
Wingpatrol
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“Scissor Sister, I agree with a lot of what you have to say.

I'm a really big Lilia fan but have never taken to Matt. Find him sarcastic, miserable (when he does smile its so false) and very arrogant. He's a pretty good dancer in the waltz but thats about it. He should have gone tonight and I wish he had, tho' I would have missed seeing Lilia.

I don't understand why he's still there. How people can say that he's a better dancer than Mark is beyond me.

I felt sorry for Louisa leaving tonight and I think a lot of people will blame Matt for that.

And as for that comment that Craig said regarding people should vote for the dancing rather than the personalities, he's spot on and well done to him for saying it. The public do vote for personality over the dancing (so why vote Matt?!) and that is why it should be left to the judges to decide who goes through, not the public.”


Matt's not arrogant. I think he's just actually begining to believe in himself and so he should.

He comes across as a dedicated perfectionist and his sense of humour is slightly different but that does not make him arrogant.
geordiegump
09-12-2006
I have to say, I'm out of here, regrettably. I signed up hoping to have a great chat about SCD and ITT but I have really lost it with the whole programme.
Before I go can I would just say for the record:

* I think the SCD has degenerated into a total shambles.

*What the professionals, and I include Bruce, Tess, all the judges and the pro dancers must feel about of how things have been allowed to develop this series, I dread to think. Obviously, they are under contract and if they want to perform in Series 5 they will have to remain quiet.

The politics, publicity and hype involved in this series has been unfrogivable and insulting to the public. We've had parents, grannies, children,husbands, wives,partners and celebrities all gunning for their favourites and trying to win the popular vote to the point of embarrassment.

It is all about learning to dance and the progress each celebrity makes according to their background, experience and ability

Please can we get back to that for Series 5?

PS.Can't wait for the next series of 'Dancing on Ice' The ice rink is so unforgiving and the best man or wonam definitely wins - Gaynor Faye wa totally amazing!

Good night, hope you enjoy the rest of the series! x




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waxlion
09-12-2006
I still dont know how the dance off worked

The way they explained it on the show it seemed that it was down purely to public vote, but i have a feeling it was still the viewers vote and judges score combined which meant that no matter what Louisa couldnt have gone through?
abfab55
09-12-2006
I have a few points to make here:
i was incensed by the result tonight as i can't believe that the GBP chose to keep Emma in over Louisa.
also i think people should stop balming Matt for Lousia going. It's not his fault that the judges put her at the bottom of the leaderboard and not enough people voted for her.
finally the judges really annoyed me tonight in the dance off because they clearly felt that mark or matt ( and probably matt) should have gone seeing as all there comments were that Emma and Louisa were fabulous and shouldn't have been there.
sarah-flute
09-12-2006
The judges were incredibly stupid tonight. Having a rant about Emma and Louisa being in the bottom two when, hello folks, you PUT Louisa there.......
waxlion
09-12-2006
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“The judges were incredibly stupid tonight. Having a rant about Emma and Louisa being in the bottom two when, hello folks, you PUT Louisa there.......”

exactly i think even louisa had to bite her tongue when they were commenting it was like what do these people want?!

But i have to say credit to louisa and vincent for not going down the sympathy route with her injury this week ( i would have thought one of the judges might have mentioned this or taken it into account), if the majority of the public had known about it maybe she would still be here!
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