I know I'm going to struggle to explain this, but it seems that even without the dance-off Louisa would have gone.

If there had been no dance-off:

We know that Emma got bottom with the public and 5 points in total otherwise she would have avoided the bottom 2. If Vincent and Louisa came less than top with the public, she would have only got a maximum total of 4 and so would have finished below Emma and gone.

This must have happened, as the two possibilities of public votes with Louisa top would have resulted in one of the others being in the bottom 2.

V+L - 1 + 4 = 5
M+K - 3 + 3 = 6
M+L - 2 + 2 = 4

(Matt would have been in bottom 2)

V+L - 1 + 4 = 5
M+K - 3 + 2 = 5
M+ L - 2 + 3 = 5

(Mark would have been in bottom 2 as scores tied but with least public support)

Is that right? Does that make sense or have I explained it really badly? In short, it seems that even without the dance-off Louisa would have still left which makes it less of a fix than some are suggesting.

I stand to be corrected but I don't believe any of us can categorically specify exactly how that dance-off worked. I'd be interested in a precise explanation.

There's a reason why I don't vote in these shows any longer.
Last edited by Endemoniada : 09-12-2006 at 21:36

Well I thought that in the dance off, the judges scores no longer counted, and I thought then when there were just two people the public would be able to overide the judges scores anyway because if there is a tie the public vote decides who is top and bottom.
Therefore Im confused because Louisa must have got more votes than Emma for emma to be in the bottom 2. and So emma must have had a huge upsurge of votes during the dance off?
Althought that doesnt sound very plausable, maybe its because Emma went first in the dance off....who knows.....

I'm not talking about the dance-off, don't have a clue what happened there, but my point is that if there had been NO dance-off Louisa would have still been out. Some are saying the whole dance-off idea saved Emma and that she would have otherwise been voted out, but as I've shown this isn't the case.

Either way, gutted for Louisa!

Oh ok, sorry misunderstood Erinfan!

I'm not sure I agree with your maths. Emma may not have been bottom with the public- for example, if the public vote order were
Matt 4points + 2 from judges=6
Mark 3+3=6
Emma2+4=6
Louisa 1 + 1=2
this gives bottom two of Louisa and Emma (since Emma gets the lowest public vote out of the three way tie). There are a few possible combinations, I think the main conclusion might be that Mark and Matt came first and second (either way around), Emma and Louisa came third and fourth (either way around). Not certain about this though!

But, I do agree with your main point that Louisa would have left the competition without the dance-off, since at most she had three points overall, and Emma had a minimum of five. The dance-off couldn't change that either. Not a fix... just pointless!

Not necessarily. There are three scenarios which put Emma and Louisa in the bottom two, and in one of them Emma is 3rd with the public:

Emma 4+1=5 4+1=5 4+2=6
Mark 3+2=5 3+3=6 3+3=6
Matt 2+4=6 2+4=6 2+4=6
Louisa 1+3=4 1+2=3 1+1=2

So all we can really be sure of is that Matt was top with the public!

Edit - this is not correct, as proved by katie_p below!
Last edited by JoDay : 09-12-2006 at 22:07

I think your maths is right and Louisa would of gone without the dance off.
But the dance off was only based on public votes, so Louisa would have had more public votes going into the dance off so therefore how the hell did Emma over take Louisa in the public votes.

Please someone tell me if this makes sense.
Last edited by fig roll : 09-12-2006 at 21:51

I'm not certain Matt was top JoDay: what about this combination
Mark 4 points from public vote + 3 from judges =7
Matt 3+2=5
Louisa 2+1=3
Emma 1+4=5

This gives bottom two Louisa and Emma.

I'm standing by my maths- top two were Matt and Mark, bottom two were Emma and Louisa. We can't be more specific than that.

emma mightnt have been least favourite with the public before the dance off. this could of happened

JUDGES PUBLIC

EMMA 4 2
MARK 3 3
MATT 2 4
LOUISA 1 1


EMMA,MARK AND MATT may have all tied and the couples with the most public votes went through = mark and matt
Last edited by tom green : 09-12-2006 at 21:59

Whoops, you're both right ...I was just assuming she got bottom, so didn't think of the above scenarios - but Louisa still would have gone and that's my point!!

She wouldnt necessarily have had more public votes to begin with.

could have been
emma 4 + 2 6
matt 2 + 4 6
mark 3 + 3 6
louisa 1 + 1 2

Matt and Mark go through as public vote is more important as is the carrying factor.
I think thats the only way it could have worked,
Odd as that is!?

Thats the point I was making

We know...we weren't talking about the dance off! We were talking about what would have happened with no dance off!
Last edited by Erinfan : 09-12-2006 at 21:54

As katie_p explained, Emma may have come third in the first public vote, and Louisa last. This would have meant Emma had more public votes going into the dance-off.

was the dance off purely brought in this week in the hope to save emma though? they seem determined to get her through to the bitter end know matter how good or bad she is

I do wonder if they thought it might get people to vote... the assumption being that people thought she was safe, didn't expect her to be in the bottom two, but still wanted her in the competition. So they would then be jolted into voting.

IMO that's not why they're in the bottom two though! And in the event, it wasn't needed if the primary aim was to get her through. There's no combination of Emma and Louisa in the bottom two where Emma would have left even without the dance-off.

I thought they said the previous votes, points, etc, were carried over to the dance off?

re read my post, sorry that wasnt for this forum , my previous post clarifies what i meant

Quite right, my maths is obviously not what it used to be!

only public votes the same happens on strictlly dance fever.there would not have been any point of an dance off if the judges votes were counted in either come dancing or sdf

If it was, and I doubt it, it could have seriously backfired. She could have gone from 3rd to 4th and been out on her ear!

I think the sole purpose of the dance-off was to add a bit of a twist to the series, in an attempt to make up for the fact that they are not going to be able to have the excitement of the Final, last series, where they went from 3 - 2 - 1 couples.

Lousy & somewhat sadistic experiment, IMHO, which should never be repeated.

The dance off was brought in because the bbc had to fill an 50 minute result show,which they orginallly planned to do was give viewers the chance to vote back in an evicted couple, but the current dancers rejected this.THE BBC HAD ALREADY SUBMITTED an 50 minute result show to listings magazines before the couples threatened an walkout.They had to fill out the show some how, so the producers who also produce strictly dance fever decided that this would be an good time filler. And as previous posts have already said Emma may possibly have not been the least popular with the public

Oh! Puh! That's just tabloid tittle tattle. How do you know for certain that's true?

The scheduling was changed this week anyway, so IMO that story was tosh, you're repeating it like it was FACT!