Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“AAAAh come on, give us a bit of a taster did they do the Smoooove”
“AAAAh come on, give us a bit of a taster did they do the Smoooove”
Or the Dummy dance!
How do Mark/Matt compare with Darren/Colin from the last series
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mark has been pressured both on and off the show,one really wonders what the judges are trying to achieve , colin was of course brilliant and was defeated by his partners choreography in the final , which let darren gough through to show all the charm and grace of a baby elephant , his arm movements were an embarassment , i fear this year mark will be edged out by a combination of the judges adverse publicity and the emma bandwagon that some how sems to overcome total public apathy, this show gets more and more mysterious its like the byzantine court not a dance contest
Originally Posted by quackaquacka:
“Colin is the best male dancer, IMO. I didn't like some of the faces he made (like during the rooomba when Erin did the leaning-to-the-side thing, and that's not the technical term, sorry) but he was miles ahead of the others in ability.
Then I think the others are about equal - they've all had some great performances and some really duff ones.”
“Colin is the best male dancer, IMO. I didn't like some of the faces he made (like during the rooomba when Erin did the leaning-to-the-side thing, and that's not the technical term, sorry) but he was miles ahead of the others in ability.
Then I think the others are about equal - they've all had some great performances and some really duff ones.”
I know what you mean, he used the same look that he used in this photoshoot...
http://www.elitemagazin.hu/9911/images/tag-jackson.jpg
Presumably the photographer told him it was a sexy look but I just thought he looked rather silly...
I didn't like his forced smile in the ballroom either. Although I thought Colin was technically the best, I thought Zoe was a better performer. In the Xmas Special Matt might give him a run for his money in terms of technique in the ballroom, and Mark might give him a run for his money in terms of performance in the Latin. I think that if Louisa is doing the Jive she'll be good both technically and in terms of performance. I don't really rate Emma so she'll probably win...
Originally Posted by hmm@ds:
“I know what you mean, he used the same look that he used in this photoshoot...
http://www.elitemagazin.hu/9911/images/tag-jackson.jpg
Presumably the photographer told him it was a sexy look but I just thought he looked rather silly... I didn't like his forced smile in the ballroom either. Although I thought Colin was technically the best, I thought Zoe was a better performer. In the Xmas Special Matt might give him a run for his money in terms of technique in the ballroom, and Mark might give him a run for his money in terms of performance in the Latin. I think that if Louisa is doing the Jive she'll be good both technically and in terms of performance. I don't really rate Emma so she'll probably win...”
“I know what you mean, he used the same look that he used in this photoshoot...
http://www.elitemagazin.hu/9911/images/tag-jackson.jpg
Presumably the photographer told him it was a sexy look but I just thought he looked rather silly...
I didn't like his forced smile in the ballroom either. Although I thought Colin was technically the best, I thought Zoe was a better performer. In the Xmas Special Matt might give him a run for his money in terms of technique in the ballroom, and Mark might give him a run for his money in terms of performance in the Latin. I think that if Louisa is doing the Jive she'll be good both technically and in terms of performance. I don't really rate Emma so she'll probably win...”
Y'know, it probably says a lot about me that my first response to that picture was 'why's he dressed like Xena?'
Looking forward to seeing how he measures up to the other contestants, though. And I know that feeling
Most of the reality shows I watch, I have to accept that my favourite won't win and the one person I don't like will. I think it's happened twelve times now (with a thirteenth to come by tomorrow, my favourites were out of X-Factor a long time ago), out of twenty six shows.
Originally Posted by doesmyheadin:
“Just interested to know how the boys this year measure up.
Maybe my memory is failing me but I don't remember Darren or Colin receiving so much critisism from the judges at the quarter final stage last year so were they better dancers. Or are the judges just more picky?
My opinion is that Colin overall is the best of the four and that Mark is better than Darren with Matt last of the four.
This years SCD seems to have attracted far more contreversy, and I reckon the voting this time is much more personality based.
Do you think the boys this year have peaked or have they got the ability and desire to up a gear in the semi . I say with reluctance I think they have peaked.
I reckon if any of the three turn in a less than than perfect performance this week they are going to get really hammered by the judges.
Mark and Matt for the final. ( fingers crossed)”
“Just interested to know how the boys this year measure up.
Maybe my memory is failing me but I don't remember Darren or Colin receiving so much critisism from the judges at the quarter final stage last year so were they better dancers. Or are the judges just more picky?
My opinion is that Colin overall is the best of the four and that Mark is better than Darren with Matt last of the four.
This years SCD seems to have attracted far more contreversy, and I reckon the voting this time is much more personality based.
Do you think the boys this year have peaked or have they got the ability and desire to up a gear in the semi . I say with reluctance I think they have peaked.
I reckon if any of the three turn in a less than than perfect performance this week they are going to get really hammered by the judges.
Mark and Matt for the final. ( fingers crossed)”
Colin was very good.
Darren had a real journey. let go, and ended up looking as if he meant it and getting the dancing mostly right. The judges probably still had it right though putting him third.
Mark started well but lacks consistency and because he started well and has no exit velocity the story doesn't work for him. He is consistently either very good and convincing or not so good and less convincing.
Matt has a story. He has got better. However it depends if you believe the story has a happy ending - is he credible or just trying harder to look credible because the acting teacher told him how? There's also the question of how far the journey went - did it go a long way to a high standard or a shorter trip from poor to technically OK but robotic. I don't think anyone could argue his journey is the same or as long or with the same success as Darren's. His partner shines enough to make him a contender though.
Zoe was better than Emma but they are both better than any of this year's males - which will do them no good at all as enough SCD voters will vote for the Billy Elliot meets beefy sportsman storyline however many times its repeated and however questionable the story actually is.
To me, Colin was too much like the professionals. I loathe the exaggerated facial expressions many of them put on, and Colin did that very noticeably. I though his American Smooth was nauseating. If the show were full of people like that, I couldn't watch it.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“To me, Colin was too much like the professionals. I loathe the exaggerated facial expressions many of them put on, and Colin did that very noticeably. I though his American Smooth was nauseating. If the show were full of people like that, I couldn't watch it.”
“To me, Colin was too much like the professionals. I loathe the exaggerated facial expressions many of them put on, and Colin did that very noticeably. I though his American Smooth was nauseating. If the show were full of people like that, I couldn't watch it.”
Why does Colin get special treatment here? There was not one celeb last year who didn't have a "Ballroom Grin"....and Colin never did that over and above any other celeb last year....most noticeably Matt Dawson of this year has complained of aching face muscles because of the constant smiling. The smile may be insincere and put on but who in real life smiles continuously for 90/120 seconds straight naturally. If you don't like the exaggerated smiles then perhaps you should argue for a redefinition of this very fundamental presentation of dancesport.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“To me, Colin was too much like the professionals. I loathe the exaggerated facial expressions many of them put on, and Colin did that very noticeably. I though his American Smooth was nauseating. If the show were full of people like that, I couldn't watch it.”
“To me, Colin was too much like the professionals. I loathe the exaggerated facial expressions many of them put on, and Colin did that very noticeably. I though his American Smooth was nauseating. If the show were full of people like that, I couldn't watch it.”
and if he was too much like a professional, doesn't that make him even more special since 1) he is not a professional, 2) doesn't act and 3) has never had any dancing in his background previously?
On another thread a poster reported that, according to Darren's recent book, he got 3 million out of 4.5 million votes in the final. If this is even remotely true, Colin never had a look-in, regardless of muppetgate.
Colin stood out from his first dance. He showed skill, flair, style, talent, rhythm and any other appropriate words. He responded magnificently to everything Erin asked of him - yes including the muppets. I believe he should have won. Mark and Matt are not anywhere near as good. I will discount Darren for his dancing skills, but quite liked him as a person
Originally Posted by Veri:
“To me, Colin was too much like the professionals. I loathe the exaggerated facial expressions many of them put on, and Colin did that very noticeably. I though his American Smooth was nauseating. If the show were full of people like that, I couldn't watch it.”
“To me, Colin was too much like the professionals. I loathe the exaggerated facial expressions many of them put on, and Colin did that very noticeably. I though his American Smooth was nauseating. If the show were full of people like that, I couldn't watch it.”
" The fact that Colin was too much like the professionals" is the reason why so many of us loved him. In short he was a fantastic dancer and a joy to watch. For you to say that his American Smooth was "nauseating" just beggars belief!
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Okay we`ve compared the men and looks like Colin comes out tops
What about the last two ladies of SCD 3 and 4. Didnt want to start a new thread for fear of accusations
Zoe or Emma ?”
“Okay we`ve compared the men and looks like Colin comes out tops
What about the last two ladies of SCD 3 and 4. Didnt want to start a new thread for fear of accusations
Zoe or Emma ?”
Without a shadow of a doubt Zoe. Although Zoe wasn't my cuppa tea there was a warmth and enthusiasm in her dances which "swinrtn" lacks, and Zoe's Tango still goes down as one of my personal favourite performances.
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“On another thread a poster reported that, according to Darren's recent book, he got 3 million out of 4.5 million votes in the final. If this is even remotely true, Colin never had a look-in, regardless of muppetgate.”
“On another thread a poster reported that, according to Darren's recent book, he got 3 million out of 4.5 million votes in the final. If this is even remotely true, Colin never had a look-in, regardless of muppetgate.”
See what I mean Arrogant with a capital A.
He must have watched the shows back and must know that it was his story not his dancing that won.
The unbelievable arrogance of the man defies belief!
For him to watch the shows back and have that much self belief that he was the best enough to brag about it is just embarrassing.
Also If he had watched Just thge two of us he would have seen he was SCD's equivalent of Sian!
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“On another thread a poster reported that, according to Darren's recent book, he got 3 million out of 4.5 million votes in the final. If this is even remotely true, Colin never had a look-in, regardless of muppetgate.”
“On another thread a poster reported that, according to Darren's recent book, he got 3 million out of 4.5 million votes in the final. If this is even remotely true, Colin never had a look-in, regardless of muppetgate.”
If this is true and I stress IF, I find it actually kinda depressing that the public voted by a ratio of 3-1 for Darren. Anyone that has read my posts will know I have always maintained that the secrecy of the figures meant that we had no idea how much the public swung it for Darren or crucially as I've always mantained just how much "Muppetgate" cost Erin and Colin in terms of votes. I guess it's just not enough to be a really good dancer to win
[quote=BMLisa]See what I mean Arrogant with a capital A.
He must have watched the shows back and must know that it was his story not his dancing that won.
The unbelievable arrogance of the man defies belief!
For him to watch the shows back and have that much self belief that he was the best enough to brag about it is just embarrassing.
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here here the man is a 1st class PRAT
He must have watched the shows back and must know that it was his story not his dancing that won.
The unbelievable arrogance of the man defies belief!
For him to watch the shows back and have that much self belief that he was the best enough to brag about it is just embarrassing.
[quote]
here here the man is a 1st class PRAT
Well DG (Dim Gobaith?) has certainly shown his true colours tonight - for the very few stranders who hadn't already realised.
On the plus side - Mark has certainly earned his second placing by me with that Argentine Tango tonight!
On the plus side - Mark has certainly earned his second placing by me with that Argentine Tango tonight!
Originally Posted by ysbryd y ddawns:
“Well DG (Dim Gobaith?) has certainly shown his true colours tonight - for the very few stranders who hadn't already realised.
On the plus side - Mark has certainly earned his second placing by me with that Argentine Tango tonight!
”
“Well DG (Dim Gobaith?) has certainly shown his true colours tonight - for the very few stranders who hadn't already realised.
On the plus side - Mark has certainly earned his second placing by me with that Argentine Tango tonight!
”
:yawn: He was certainly easily forgetable. Don't see anyone mentioning him as an example of how to dance this series. :yawn:
Last edited by easygoingremi : 19-12-2006 at 20:04
Originally Posted by easygoingremi:
“:yawn: He was certainly easily forgetable. Don't see anyone mentioning him as an example of how to dance this series. :yawn:”
“:yawn: He was certainly easily forgetable. Don't see anyone mentioning him as an example of how to dance this series. :yawn:”
Not once by anyone!
This is why I don't want Matt and Lilia to win, In all fairness to Matt he has improved drastically, but I couldn't stand it if Lilia won two years in a row for no other reason, than managing to drag someone up to a slightly passable standard (although I do feel Matt is much better than Darren).
If Darren hadn't won last year then I would be standing here saying, my heart is with Mark and Karen but whoever wins is fine with me, but the fact that Darren and Lilia have never shown humility under the circumstances of last year's final makes it too bitter a pill for me to swallow if Lilia were to win it, with, I'm sorry Matt fans, NOT the best dancer again!
This is no disrespect to Matt as I feel he is a genuinely nice person, and has done some pretty good dances!
My other reason is I feel that Karen has worked soo much harder and wants it soo badly, I genuinely do feel they deserve it more!
My ideal final would have been either Emma or Louisa and Mark as they have been consistently the best dancers, I like the final to be between the best!
I do agree with the Matt/Darren G comparison. Whilst Matt may be better in some regards it is still largely all about the 'j' word.
When people look back in a year or two years to SCD4 which dance couples and routines will stand out in people's minds as special? I bet Mark and Karen for most people - and the most talked about dances of SCD4 will probably be their Salsa and AT. If Matt wins we'll be having the same discussions we now have about Darren Gough. Nice chap and all that, lovely Lilia, great journey but not the outstanding dancer of the series.
I say this as someone who did vote for Darren last year. But in retrospect wished that either Colin or even Zoe had won as it's their routines I remember.
When people look back in a year or two years to SCD4 which dance couples and routines will stand out in people's minds as special? I bet Mark and Karen for most people - and the most talked about dances of SCD4 will probably be their Salsa and AT. If Matt wins we'll be having the same discussions we now have about Darren Gough. Nice chap and all that, lovely Lilia, great journey but not the outstanding dancer of the series.
I say this as someone who did vote for Darren last year. But in retrospect wished that either Colin or even Zoe had won as it's their routines I remember.
Colin...by far the best and an "all rounder" (robbed by underdog/journey scenario and great PR campaign around Darren/his kids/his granny)
Mark...ballroom not as good as Colin's but same ability to "perform" (and not get on my last by being too mouthy)
Darren...maybe equal with Matt on some technical things but he "sells" the dance better
Matt...great improvement (and rather like the cool attitude) but I still wonder had Spooney and Ray stayed in whether he'd have got anywhere near the final in just dance ability
Mark...ballroom not as good as Colin's but same ability to "perform" (and not get on my last by being too mouthy)
Darren...maybe equal with Matt on some technical things but he "sells" the dance better
Matt...great improvement (and rather like the cool attitude) but I still wonder had Spooney and Ray stayed in whether he'd have got anywhere near the final in just dance ability
Originally Posted by Olliphant:
“Colin...by far the best and an "all rounder" (robbed by underdog/journey scenario and great PR campaign around Darren/his kids/his granny)
Mark...ballroom not as good as Colin's but same ability to "perform" (and not get on my last by being too mouthy)
Darren...maybe equal with Matt on some technical things but he "sells" the dance better
Matt...great improvement (and rather like the cool attitude) but I still wonder had Spooney and Ray stayed in whether he'd have got anywhere near the final in just dance ability”
“Colin...by far the best and an "all rounder" (robbed by underdog/journey scenario and great PR campaign around Darren/his kids/his granny)
Mark...ballroom not as good as Colin's but same ability to "perform" (and not get on my last by being too mouthy)
Darren...maybe equal with Matt on some technical things but he "sells" the dance better
Matt...great improvement (and rather like the cool attitude) but I still wonder had Spooney and Ray stayed in whether he'd have got anywhere near the final in just dance ability”
I remember the kids but forgot about the granny
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