Plasma Resolution

Jedi Master · 12-12-2006, 17:10

We may be getting a new TV soon and we was thinking of getting a Sony KDL-32V2000 as it has got good reviews in a couple of mags. My dad how ever was looking in comet and even though it has got 5 stars and best buy he said he still noticed some motion blur ( wether this is partly because comet proberly has'nt set the tv up correct and is using cheap leads or not ), he said he was looking at the plasmas and they did'nt suffer from it and he thought the colours was alot better so am looking at plasmas now. I am looking at the Panasonic TH 37PX60 which has 5 stars and got best buy for 37-40" in the awards mag. The thing that concerns me a little though is the resolution is only 1024x768 which is what i run my 17" monitor at, where as the Sony LCD is 1366x768.

The Res the Sony is at seems better for upscaling images to 720p as it seems a closer res than 1024x768. Infact looking at most plasmas none seem to have a high res except the panasonic TH-65PX600. Is this normal for Plasmas and should it be something i should be worrying about when buying a tv ?? is'nt it a high res shows more detail. The plasmas do seem to offer a higher contrast restion though.

meltcity · 12-12-2006, 23:33

The TH37PX60 is a good choice; I don't think you will be disappointed.

It may sound counter-intuitive to choose a 1024 x 720p plasma over a 1366 x 768p LCD when shopping for an HDTV, but the better contrast, black levels, more accurate colours and sharper motion of a quality plasma such as the PX60 are actually far more important to overall picture quality than the number of pixels on the screen. In my experience HD looks noticeably better on a 1024 x 768p plasma than a 1920 x 1080p LCD.

Jedi Master · 13-12-2006, 02:02

I see, thanks.

paul10590 · 13-12-2006, 08:06

lol meltcity dont try to be too biased. I think the sony 46" lcd 1080p would kick any plasma ass....

kas · 13-12-2006, 08:46

It all comes down to whether or not you will be viewing HD source in the foreseeable future. If you are then the higher resolution the better. If you do not intend to view HD then from what I have seen you can't go wrong with the Panasonic.

Technophile · 13-12-2006, 08:59

You should go for an "HD ready" TV if you don't want to kick yourself in a few years time. This means a) a resolution of at least 1280x720 or for "full" HD 1920x1080 and b) an HDMI connection - preferably more than one (the v2000 has only one, the later Sonys like the W2000 and X2000 have 2). Some reviewers say that the 1280x720 is better when watching SD TV and that the full HD looks bad when running SD. I don't know as I've only seen the 720 on SD and it's very good IMO.

Don't get too hung up over the plasma/LCD debate. The newer LCDs show very little motion blur and the colours are just as good as plasma. They also have the benefit of significantly lower power consumption, sharper pictures and no burn-in. Don't believe those who say that plasma don't suffer from burn - they do, and the picture quality consequently starts deteriorating as soon as you start using it. An LCD will probably last for ever with little deterioration.

kas · 13-12-2006, 10:46

I can see this turning into another LCD vs Plasma debate.
I will start it off - Plasma is best.

sircrump · 13-12-2006, 11:07

"Which TV should I buy" or "LCD or Plasma" threads should, along with mince pies, be outlawed !!

Technophile · 13-12-2006, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by sircrump

"Which TV should I buy" or "LCD or Plasma" threads should, along with mince pies, be outlawed !!

Not a bad idea.

People's opinions are usually very biased. I wonder if anyone saw that experiment on TV some months ago where a group of people were asked to perform various tests. For example they were all shown a series of vertical lines gradually increasing in length by a definite amount and asked to pick which would be the next line from a selection of 3. It was pretty obvious which the next line should be, but, unknown to the stooge, all the other members in the group were planted and they all selected what was obviously the wrong line. The stooge was confused but he still selected the corrected line. They continue with further tests with the "plants" all selecting the wrong item. To cut a long story short, in the end, the stooge begins agreeing with them.

There are many variations on this experiment but they all tend to have the same result. If people are told often enough that something is true they begin thinking it is, and they begin seeing what they have been told to see. You see this behaviour everywhere, especially in forums. True objectivity is rare.

What brought this to mind was the daft, semi-literate adverts that are appearing everywhere (at huge expense) saying that plasma is better than LCD. The manufacturers are relying on the effect that the experiment demonstrates. Most people do actually end up believing what they're told to believe.

Last edited by Technophile : 13-12-2006 at 14:39.

skinj · 13-12-2006, 16:06

What they are actually doing is trying to reverse the brainwashing that has been happening from the lcd makers for the last couple of years claiming that plasma is inferior to lcd, when in fact they both have their own advantages and disadvantages.

Jedi Master · 13-12-2006, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul10590

lol meltcity dont try to be too biased. I think the sony 46" lcd 1080p would kick any plasma ass....

46" tv is a bit too big for the room for me, around 37" is what im looking at.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technophile

Don't get too hung up over the plasma/LCD debate. The newer LCDs show very little motion blur and the colours are just as good as plasma.

Even very little motion blur would proberly start to bug me after a while.

Well i was'nt actually planning on HD right now. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players are too expensive and i think i will wait for a player that can play both, cant see myself upgrading to SKY HD yet as the football would proberly be the only thing i would end up watching in HD. The reason i am opting for a plasma is the motion blur, when i was in a sony shop looking at the 32V2000 i could clearly see some motion blur, my dad was in comet and he said he could see motion blur on the LCDs he was looking at. Motion problems would just get on my nerves especially when when football and fast action movies.

Not trying to turn this into a plasma vs lcd thread.

The Panasonic TH-37PX600 is labeled as HD Ready, i do like the fact it has 2 HDMI and 3 Scarts though, not enough of the tvs i have seen have this amount of connections. May not use them all but nice to know they are there.

Last edited by Jedi Master : 13-12-2006 at 17:30.

kas · 13-12-2006, 17:55

I am seriously considering getting the Panasonic Th37PX60 myself. However I may wait until the new year as I would hate to see it £100 cheaper in the sales come January.
kas

12-12-2006, 17:10	#1
Jedi Master Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 133	Plasma Resolution We may be getting a new TV soon and we was thinking of getting a Sony KDL-32V2000 as it has got good reviews in a couple of mags. My dad how ever was looking in comet and even though it has got 5 stars and best buy he said he still noticed some motion blur ( wether this is partly because comet proberly has'nt set the tv up correct and is using cheap leads or not ), he said he was looking at the plasmas and they did'nt suffer from it and he thought the colours was alot better so am looking at plasmas now. I am looking at the Panasonic TH 37PX60 which has 5 stars and got best buy for 37-40" in the awards mag. The thing that concerns me a little though is the resolution is only 1024x768 which is what i run my 17" monitor at, where as the Sony LCD is 1366x768. The Res the Sony is at seems better for upscaling images to 720p as it seems a closer res than 1024x768. Infact looking at most plasmas none seem to have a high res except the panasonic TH-65PX600. Is this normal for Plasmas and should it be something i should be worrying about when buying a tv ?? is'nt it a high res shows more detail. The plasmas do seem to offer a higher contrast restion though.

13-12-2006, 08:59	#6
Technophile Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 113	You should go for an "HD ready" TV if you don't want to kick yourself in a few years time. This means a) a resolution of at least 1280x720 or for "full" HD 1920x1080 and b) an HDMI connection - preferably more than one (the v2000 has only one, the later Sonys like the W2000 and X2000 have 2). Some reviewers say that the 1280x720 is better when watching SD TV and that the full HD looks bad when running SD. I don't know as I've only seen the 720 on SD and it's very good IMO. Don't get too hung up over the plasma/LCD debate. The newer LCDs show very little motion blur and the colours are just as good as plasma. They also have the benefit of significantly lower power consumption, sharper pictures and no burn-in. Don't believe those who say that plasma don't suffer from burn - they do, and the picture quality consequently starts deteriorating as soon as you start using it. An LCD will probably last for ever with little deterioration. Last edited by Technophile : 13-12-2006 at 09:02.

12-12-2006, 23:33	#2
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	The TH37PX60 is a good choice; I don't think you will be disappointed. It may sound counter-intuitive to choose a 1024 x 720p plasma over a 1366 x 768p LCD when shopping for an HDTV, but the better contrast, black levels, more accurate colours and sharper motion of a quality plasma such as the PX60 are actually far more important to overall picture quality than the number of pixels on the screen. In my experience HD looks noticeably better on a 1024 x 768p plasma than a 1920 x 1080p LCD.

13-12-2006, 02:02	#3
Jedi Master Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 133	I see, thanks.

13-12-2006, 08:06	#4
paul10590 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 35	lol meltcity dont try to be too biased. I think the sony 46" lcd 1080p would kick any plasma ass....

13-12-2006, 08:46	#5
kas Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sussex Posts: 341	It all comes down to whether or not you will be viewing HD source in the foreseeable future. If you are then the higher resolution the better. If you do not intend to view HD then from what I have seen you can't go wrong with the Panasonic.

13-12-2006, 10:46	#7
kas Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sussex Posts: 341	I can see this turning into another LCD vs Plasma debate. I will start it off - Plasma is best.

13-12-2006, 11:07	#8
sircrump Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 51	"Which TV should I buy" or "LCD or Plasma" threads should, along with mince pies, be outlawed !!

13-12-2006, 14:34	#9
Technophile Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 113	Quote: Originally Posted by sircrump "Which TV should I buy" or "LCD or Plasma" threads should, along with mince pies, be outlawed !! Not a bad idea. People's opinions are usually very biased. I wonder if anyone saw that experiment on TV some months ago where a group of people were asked to perform various tests. For example they were all shown a series of vertical lines gradually increasing in length by a definite amount and asked to pick which would be the next line from a selection of 3. It was pretty obvious which the next line should be, but, unknown to the stooge, all the other members in the group were planted and they all selected what was obviously the wrong line. The stooge was confused but he still selected the corrected line. They continue with further tests with the "plants" all selecting the wrong item. To cut a long story short, in the end, the stooge begins agreeing with them. There are many variations on this experiment but they all tend to have the same result. If people are told often enough that something is true they begin thinking it is, and they begin seeing what they have been told to see. You see this behaviour everywhere, especially in forums. True objectivity is rare. What brought this to mind was the daft, semi-literate adverts that are appearing everywhere (at huge expense) saying that plasma is better than LCD. The manufacturers are relying on the effect that the experiment demonstrates. Most people do actually end up believing what they're told to believe. Last edited by Technophile : 13-12-2006 at 14:39.

13-12-2006, 16:06	#10
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	What they are actually doing is trying to reverse the brainwashing that has been happening from the lcd makers for the last couple of years claiming that plasma is inferior to lcd, when in fact they both have their own advantages and disadvantages.

13-12-2006, 17:22	#11
Jedi Master Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 133	Quote: Originally Posted by paul10590 lol meltcity dont try to be too biased. I think the sony 46" lcd 1080p would kick any plasma ass.... 46" tv is a bit too big for the room for me, around 37" is what im looking at. Quote: Originally Posted by Technophile Don't get too hung up over the plasma/LCD debate. The newer LCDs show very little motion blur and the colours are just as good as plasma. Even very little motion blur would proberly start to bug me after a while. Well i was'nt actually planning on HD right now. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players are too expensive and i think i will wait for a player that can play both, cant see myself upgrading to SKY HD yet as the football would proberly be the only thing i would end up watching in HD. The reason i am opting for a plasma is the motion blur, when i was in a sony shop looking at the 32V2000 i could clearly see some motion blur, my dad was in comet and he said he could see motion blur on the LCDs he was looking at. Motion problems would just get on my nerves especially when when football and fast action movies. Not trying to turn this into a plasma vs lcd thread. The Panasonic TH-37PX600 is labeled as HD Ready, i do like the fact it has 2 HDMI and 3 Scarts though, not enough of the tvs i have seen have this amount of connections. May not use them all but nice to know they are there. Last edited by Jedi Master : 13-12-2006 at 17:30.

13-12-2006, 17:55	#12
kas Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sussex Posts: 341	I am seriously considering getting the Panasonic Th37PX60 myself. However I may wait until the new year as I would hate to see it £100 cheaper in the sales come January. kas

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