You get a much better idea of the couple as well! There was a completely different side to Matt and Carol that you never saw on ITT, which was a shame!

Would love videos for all of the couples next year. Especially if they remained as honest and realistic as Carol's was.

To further illustrate the editing point, taking comments relating to the same subject, and mentioned by the same person in a short period of time...

Tom Green, the following is my edited version of your posts numbers 3, 12, 14,18, 19 on this thread (but I could have done the same to any FM who has made a number of posts on this subject). Imagine that this is what ITT is going to read out tomorrow night, as your view of Carol:

“Carol was nasty. she was obviously jealous. what i think shes complaining about was Emmas scores. she sold her story. I wonder if she'll turn up for the final.

I’m sure that you totally stand by what you originally said, and were probably quite sure that it couldn’t be misconstrued in any way.

Now, imagine what an editor could do with hours of posts or footage

To be cynical, their contracts will probably forbid it next year.

Some people accused Carol & Matthew of being bland until they saw Matthew's description of the Girl's aloud routine on Carol's Video diary.Even non Carol & Matthew fans enjoyed it. After that there were no more complaints of this nature. It showed this couple in a much more realistic way. Working hard yet having fun and obviously getting on very well. BBC take note. Is it wrong just to enjoy the experience. Does there have to negativity?

I agree skyscapes...or the diaries will exist, but they will be controlled by the BBC - resulting in the same problem of editing!

I agree - I wondered whether of the celebs would speak out once they'd left - particularly Carol!

When SCD first started the producers were happy for us to see the training rooms, see the dancing on a Saturday night, and make our own judgements.

Coming back each year for a new series, all producers seem to feel they have to sharpen things up, tweak it here and there and create controversy for the famous 'water cooler moments'. Being up against X Factor on Saturday will add to this - that's why their judges have 'spats' that can be written about in the tabloids.

I wish all producers would realise that there is a large element in the viewing public who just want to watch the people concerned in the programee, doing what they do!

I don't need anyone else to stir it ip - I watch, I listen and I make up my own mind. Certain celebs I warm to, others I don't - that's the way life goes

Carol knows as well as we do that on occasion she was undermarked and that Emma was overmarked - why shouldn't she say so????

But thats not the type of editing im talking about, your taking words and mixing them about.That type of editing is wrong and wasnt used.The editing in question doesnt involve mixing up words,its about linking 2 statements involving the same subject together

the difference being??????

If carol was talking about the same subject,

for e.g carol is talking about emma being overmarked

carol is talking about the judges having their favourites

Thats only an example not fact.But it would be legitimate for those to be edited together in my opinion as they are about the same subject i.e scoring.

when the previous poster edited my posts she mixed up words and made up lines that i never said.The 1st eg i have given[and i repeat its not fact] isnt mixing words up its only bringing together 2 statements

Skyscapes. I found your thoughts on this so close to mine that I didn't think there was any point repeating such well written comments.

I don't think less of Carol because she thought she would be safe in the hands of the BBC, Strictly Come Dancing fronted by an old-school light entertainment presenter.

But even then those 2 example comments need not necessarily be linked.

Although about scoring they deal with 2 completely seperate issues and by butting them together you are left with a far stronger comment.

Emma is overmarked - well, just about everyone has said that. It was basically the basis of Brendan's upset so nothing new there.

The judges have favourites - again, they do, Craig had Emma, Arlene Mark, Len championed Spoony and then Matt, Bruno Louisa until he turned his coat.

But by putting the 2 comments together it gives the impression that not only is Emma overmarked but she is the favourite of all the judges.

Yes, the differences are subtle but they are also important.

Mindyann i agree its an stronger statement,but it is obvious who she was talking about been overscored anyway especially after len telling her her dance[cant rember which 1] was the best of the night, yet emma scored higher. She had every right to be upset, she was underscored and emma overscored.
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But unless she actually said Emma's name in the both of the comments, then they can't be linked.
The assumption is that she was talking about the same person, but that is all it is.

Carol presented Changing rooms [many would call it the orginal reality show] for the bbc which was highly edited and an lot of couples on the show claimed endemol the producer had misrepresented them with their editing.Even parts of the show was faked like for example sometimes the production crew would work on and complete the rooms.I know this because she gave another interview after she left that show revealing the secrets of the show.

Whilst I think carol is correct in saying that her comments were edited to make it seem as though she had issues with Emma, I too would have thought that she should have know it was coming. Every supposed ‘reality’ TV show is guilty of this, it’s a sad fact that they can only sell the whole “we all get along so well!” line for a short period of time, before they feel the need to shake things up a bit here and there in order to guarantee sustained interest.

It’s happened to several people on this show, i.e. Erin’s comment about Zoe’s scores last year edited to look like a personal comment about Zoe. And whilst not technically ‘on’ the show Lilia’s comments in a recent interview were edited together to make it seem like she was slagging off Emma, when actually the original context seemed to me that she felt sorry for Emma and all the weight of expectation sitting on her shoulders! Remove a couple of words; rearrange the order of a couple of comments and you can very easily portray somebody in a negative light even if they haven’t said anything wrong.

Manipulation of the audience in reality TV shows has always been there, and probably always will be. As the saying goes there is very little truly real about reality TV.

But I still love Carol, Matt & the CarolCam!

i dont find it that wrong because i came to that same assumption myself by looking at carol when the scores were announced.But i do understand and respect your opinion 100%.My posts are just my opinion.

Agreed. Come on, Carol, we love you to bits, but really... I mean, if 'Changing Rooms' hadn't been edited it would have been like watching paint dry.

And many of us realise that if they didn't include celebrities and a reality tv format we wouldn't get ballroom dancing on primetime tv.

But Changing Room didn't need for the designers to dislike one-another or be rude on camera for our enjoyment.

I liked the friendly rivalry that they showed between Darren Gough and James Martin in the early part of the last series. I enjoyed the group dance in the last series. I want to see them having fun and working hard.

This friendly rivalry is good tv and most appropriate for my pink, fluffy Saturday evening light entertainment glimpse into the world of ballroom dancing.

How does someone called 'Gritty' have a pink and fluffy Saturday night?

I don't believe Carol was nasty about Emma. She had issues with the judges and rightly so, but not with Emma herself. It would be natural on a show of that kind for people to talk about judging and scores. She is not the only one who did, and why shouldn't she without being accused of being nasty against a particular contestant?

She was treated badly on the show by the judges, for whatever reason, and should not have gone out when she did, based on the dancing. I add her to the list of those who should have gone further, purely on their dancing, unlike those who are in the final.

Pink & fluffy, just with texture!

I agree Gritty. The friendly rivalry and banter of last year was great. I've enjoyed this year's show but it has seemed a bit too serious at times.

I agree and I blame the BBC entirely! They have taken their focus away from the training rooms and into the tabloids and that I find a great shame. I still love the show, but wish it would just stick with the dancing and strive to be a fairer competition rather than a bigger ratings hit. The ratings were high enough as it was and so to me there really is no excuse for all of the various manipulations.

Everyone loves a good controversy if it happens naturally, but when created by a few blokes in suits in a production office, it leaves a very bitter taste!

Not easy, but I manage it every Saturday over at Bar Cutler.


(For all those who missed it last series - I'm female. Why gritty, my eldest daughter tried to say my name and that's what it sounded like, and it stuck.

Carol presented an show,where couples claimed that they were misrepresented. Now she claims the same happened her its reality tv she should know that everything she said would be picked on and disected like on her old show.


i remember anna ryder richardson and Laurence being quite bitchy about each other and the same with Laurence and gordon.That was part of the show aswell gritty