Katrinap, would it have been better if Carol had not given any interviews to the production team so there would be absolutely no footage of her saying anything?
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Originally Posted by Queen Mary:
“Katrinap, would it have been better if Carol had not given any interviews to the production team so there would be absolutely no footage of her saying anything?”
“Katrinap, would it have been better if Carol had not given any interviews to the production team so there would be absolutely no footage of her saying anything?”
What I'm saying is detailed in my previous post. Your question doesn't become anymore pertinent by repetition, and its answer is so self-evident I'd presumed it was rhetorical.
Originally Posted by katrinap:
“What I'm saying is detailed in my previous post. Your question doesn't become anymore pertinent by repetition, and its answer is so self-evident I'd presumed it was rhetorical.”
“What I'm saying is detailed in my previous post. Your question doesn't become anymore pertinent by repetition, and its answer is so self-evident I'd presumed it was rhetorical.”
My apologies.
Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.
Last edited by hmm@ds : 19-12-2006 at 13:28
Last edited by hmm@ds : 19-12-2006 at 13:28
Originally Posted by hmm@ds:
“Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.”
“Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.”
I totally agree with your assessment.
Thanks Katrinap, its always interesting reading a different viewpoint.
Carol certainly does have a differerent style to Claudia but Carol broke new ground in presenting style with Changing Rooms and to some little extent paved the way for the new generation of presenters.
Over her career she has worked on game, talk and reality shows, where she shows she is confident enough in herself to risk her image. It was clear during the show that Carol found it hard to "totally let go" but she did try and for that I commend her.
On her experience of SCD editing, I've stated my position before but in essence I agree with hmm@d's analysis.
Carol certainly does have a differerent style to Claudia but Carol broke new ground in presenting style with Changing Rooms and to some little extent paved the way for the new generation of presenters.
Over her career she has worked on game, talk and reality shows, where she shows she is confident enough in herself to risk her image. It was clear during the show that Carol found it hard to "totally let go" but she did try and for that I commend her.
On her experience of SCD editing, I've stated my position before but in essence I agree with hmm@d's analysis.
Originally Posted by gritty:
“Carol certainly does have a differerent style to Claudia but Carol broke new ground in presenting style with Changing Rooms and to some little extent paved the way for the new generation of presenters.”
“Carol certainly does have a differerent style to Claudia but Carol broke new ground in presenting style with Changing Rooms and to some little extent paved the way for the new generation of presenters.”
Whoah, Gritty, precisely what new ground did Carol break? If any ground was broken it was in the format of Changing Rooms by the production company. For better or worse, it was the start of heavily formatted, jeopardy based makeover programmes (i.e. you have a day to give this room a makeover). Carol's presenting style was very mainstream.
Originally Posted by hmm@ds:
“Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.”
“Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.”
And that is why I think SCD needs to be careful in the way it works. It attacts the 'big' names and the proper boney fiddy celebs which make the show what is - rather than the zelebs who will turn up at the opening of an envelope. But if word gets out that actually the BBC are playing fast and loose with the celebs, they could find that the list of people available to take part diminishes.
Originally Posted by hmm@ds:
“Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.”
“Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.”
I think any celebrity who believes that SCD is more wholesome and less likely to edit negatively than other shows is naïve, and I don't believe Carol falls into this category.
My personal opinion, and this is purely conjecture on my part, is that she feels she got a bad edit, and that she needs to do a damage limitation exercise. Therefore she is trying to make the editors out to be the bad guys and not her (as she sees it).
The only other option is that a TV personality with over 15 years in the business, entered a show whose format is well-established and did not realise she might not be portrayed exactly as she would wish. Sorry, but as I said before, I don't buy it.
Last edited by katrinap : 19-12-2006 at 14:36
Originally Posted by katrinap:
“I think any celebrity who believes that SCD is more wholesome and less likely to edit negatively than other shows is naïve, and I don't believe Carol falls into this category.
My personal opinion, and this is purely conjecture on my part, is that she feels she got a bad edit, and that she needs to do a damage limitation exercise. Therefore she is trying to make the editors out to be the bad guys and not her (as she sees it).
The only other option is that a TV personality with over 15 years in the business, entered a show whose format is well-established and did not realise she might not be portrayed exactly as she would wish. Sorry, but as I said before, I don't buy it.”
“I think any celebrity who believes that SCD is more wholesome and less likely to edit negatively than other shows is naïve, and I don't believe Carol falls into this category.
My personal opinion, and this is purely conjecture on my part, is that she feels she got a bad edit, and that she needs to do a damage limitation exercise. Therefore she is trying to make the editors out to be the bad guys and not her (as she sees it).
The only other option is that a TV personality with over 15 years in the business, entered a show whose format is well-established and did not realise she might not be portrayed exactly as she would wish. Sorry, but as I said before, I don't buy it.”
You're entitled to your opinion even if it is, as you say, 'purely conjecture'. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Last edited by hmm@ds : 19-12-2006 at 15:22
I could well be wrong but I think Carol's presenting style was part of Changing Rooms success. No more than that.
To keep it in perspective, all she complained about was some editing that made it look as if she was being nasty about Emma. She then goes on to say that she loved being part of the show.
Of course Carol needs to take the rough with the smooth in a reality programme. But, like many others, I think she was just responding to a call from a journalist.
To keep it in perspective, all she complained about was some editing that made it look as if she was being nasty about Emma. She then goes on to say that she loved being part of the show.
Of course Carol needs to take the rough with the smooth in a reality programme. But, like many others, I think she was just responding to a call from a journalist.
Originally Posted by hmm@ds:
“Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.”
“Obviously Carol knows about editing, that's a given. The fuller coverage I've seen and read suggests to me that she was surprised that the tactics that go on in other reality TV shows also go on in SCD. I think a lot of celebrities assume this which is one of the reasons why they put SCD above other reality TV shows - they see it as being more worthy and wholesome... Sadly I think that SCD is gradually going the way of other reality TV shows, certainly in terms of negative editing.”
Very well put!! I agree totally. I am rather disillusioned with the tactics of Strictly this year but it obviously works as the viewing figures, telephone votes are huge this year!!
You often get this on TV, don't you. A celebrity says something she regrets so blames the editing. Simple as that really.
When you add to her complaint the fact that the producers apparently set up a lunch/dinner date betwen Claire and Brendan and then leaked details of it to the press to make it look like they were having an affair, you'll understand where Carol's coming from.
It's not nice.
It's not nice.
Yes, but the bottom line is that Carol said what she said i.e. "The judges have their favourites". There was no editing involved in that.
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