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The public are stupid... how patronising is this show?
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dancer7
20-12-2006
Most viewers do not have a clue about dancing and they vote in a completely irrational way. They like personality A and dislike personality B for reasons that we can only guess about. SCD is merely a light entertainment programme...fronted by Bruce Forsyth who is the lightest of light entertainers.

Although SCD is dance based, for most viewers it is nothing more than a personality contest. Incidentally, it is nonsensical to believe that one can have a serious debate about anything as frivolous and inconsequential as SCD.
dancer7
20-12-2006
Just to add that this very forum 'proves' that people are fixated on personalities. The quality and standard of the dancing are merely side issues.
Stella Street
20-12-2006
The judges, so called professionals in dance, can't decide between a good and bad dance.
I think the less we hear from the judges the better. I'd rather just see them on Saturdays and never have them on ITT or breakfast TV and wherever else they appear. they are just so full of contradictions case in point judges putting Louisa in the bottom 2 then complaining she got voted out (even though I liked L/V )
cymrugirl
20-12-2006
dancing is quite subjective so I don't see why professionals can't have differing opinions. When you look at some of the scorecards for pro comps, judges hardly ever are unanimous on each dance.
Queen Mary
20-12-2006
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“You only had to read things, talk to people, watch TV and listen to opinions to know that most people thought Emma and Mark were the best dancers overall.

And all the judges said so too. But they must be wrong too eh? I mean, lets face it, you all think they haven't a clue what they're talking about. I mean, why on earth are they there eh?

Theyre just experts thats all.”

Where did you get this from? Certainly not on this forum!
Stella Street
20-12-2006
Originally Posted by cymrugirl:
“dancing is quite subjective so I don't see why professionals can't have differing opinions. When you look at some of the scorecards for pro comps, judges hardly ever are unanimous on each dance.”

I'd agree if they don't agree then how can they say this dancer or this style is what the public should be looking for or appreciating. It's just a contradiction.
moonglow
20-12-2006
Stella Street,

You really have it in for the judges dont you? On every thread I go on you're criticising them. And why? Just because they criticise you're favourite or don't give them 10's. And it doesn't matter what you come back and tell me it is obvious that's the reason you don't like them. Maybe you should turn the sound down every time they speak if you feel that strongly about them.

You should have respect for people who are experts in the dancing field, whether its choreography or dancing professionally, or teaching. Not insult them at every opportunity.

You have to remember they're a lot more knowledgable than you and they know what they're talking about. To criticise the 4 judges constantly is disrespectful. They have been brilliant.
cymrugirl
20-12-2006
I guess what he was going on about is that coming to the semi's and finals, public should be voting for who has been consistently good and not just basing it on this particular night. Though personally, I don't see the problem with people voting for who was best on the night and if she was on the bottom then he can't really have a go at the public since they r always going on about voting for the good dances so yes, he is full of contraditions
Queen Mary
20-12-2006
As long as Bruce and Tess keep telling voters to "vote for their favourites", the competition would continue being more about personality than about the actual dance itself!
Stella Street
20-12-2006
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“Stella Street,

You really have it in for the judges dont you? On every thread I go on you're criticising them. And why? Just because they criticise you're favourite or don't give them 10's. And it doesn't matter what you come back and tell me it is obvious that's the reason you don't like them. Maybe you should turn the sound down every time they speak if you feel that strongly about them.

You should have respect for people who are experts in the dancing field, whether its choreography or dancing professionally, or teaching. Not insult them at every opportunity.

You have to remember they're a lot more knowledgable than you and they know what they're talking about. To criticise the 4 judges constantly is disrespectful. They have been brilliant.”

Respect? they can't even respect each other
They have been brilliant? LMAO Even the professionals in ballroom dance don't think that

Considering this is a thread about the judges and criticising them you're not going to find me in here talking about potted plants are ya? But thanks for the advice about turning the sound down I'll consider that. Genius!
Last edited by Stella Street : 20-12-2006 at 11:17
winenroses
20-12-2006
Originally Posted by Stella Street:
“Respect? they can't even respect each other
They have been brilliant? LMAO Even the professionals in ballroom dance don't think that

Considering this is a thread about the judges and criticising them you're not going to find me in here talking about potted plants are ya? But thanks for the advice about turning the sound down I'll consider that. Genius! ”

And after all, if they put themselves out there in the public domain, and go on a show like this, shouldn't they 'Know what to expect'? LOL

Not the only ones full of contradictions.
Stella Street
20-12-2006
Originally Posted by winenroses:
“And after all, if they put themselves out there in the public domain, and go on a show like this, shouldn't they 'Know what to expect'? LOL

Not the only ones full of contradictions. ”

LOL exactly
Bigears
20-12-2006
Moonglow
I would never want to be an expert as ex is a has been and spurt is a drip under pressure
Dancing Girl
20-12-2006
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“Tango Tiger, I definitely disagree with what you have to say, and again another thread about the biased judges etc. etc.

Most people actually liked Emma's dancing. Please accept the fact that overall she was a very good dancer. People didn't vote for her because most people don't vote, they just enjoy the programme. Also they probably didn't vote because, yes it is true, they thought she was safe.

I think Craig is right what he says about the public and their voting. It is crazy that Emma is out, and some of the others too.

I think another reason maybe Emma didn't get enough votes, apart from what I've already mentioned, is because its mostly females who vote and they tend to vote for the man. Also, a lot of girls didn't like the Spice Girls, especially Emma, so didn't want her. But overall, she was the best dancer.

Can I just add again that most people don't pick up the phone and vote. Only a small minority do that. If everyone had to vote then Emma would still have been in it, along with some of the others. And Matt wouldn't still be there.

And can I just end by saying that you did ask for our opinions, so just remember that ok?”

Moonglow I am not being funny, or rude but what exactly makes you think that Emma was the best dancer?. I am curious because I have watched each and every Strictly and except for the Arg. Tango which I thought was passionless but fairly good (except for the constant looking at the floor/their footwork), I have found her dancing to be wooden, quite often I got the impression she was smiling her way through the dance but when you looked at the footwork it seemed very simple (like the Samba on Saturday night, a lot of arm waving but nothing spectacular). I have no great dislike of Emma, never have an opinion on her one way or the other, seen her more on Absolutely Fabulous than as a Spice Girl but I really honestly believe she was dreadfully overmarked, could not believe the comments of Craig and Bruno regarding Emma and was completely put off by the favourtism shown imo by the BBC/ITT/Strictly. Like Mrs C (I think) if she had been criticised and marked honestly she would have had the opportunity to improve and in the end I felt quite sorry for her.
Dancing Girl
20-12-2006
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Well up until the last 4 - I didn't have a favourite so I was a floating voter. I allow myself 4 votes a week (nice round £1) and I gave them to the dancers whose performance I enjoyed either the best dance, entertainment value or sheer performance (yes they are all different!) - or maybe to the one who had been severely undermarked or mauled by the judges, Sometimes they all went to one couple, sometimes spread around.

Never for Emma though - none of her performances inspired me to vote for her, and with the panel so firmly on her side - others needed the votes more than she did!

I do feel sorry for her though - the public obviously just didn't take to her (and by the public I mean the vast majority of the viewers who don't frequent these forums) We'll never really know why, but I can't help wondering what would have happened if the judges and powers that be had just left her alone......

She had everything going for her at the beginning before Craig's comments, the high marks - the constant presence of Emma "supporters" on ITT (even those who quite clearly never watched the show....). I really do wonder how she would have done if she'd been given criticism, or had mistakes pointed out to her -

If only....”

Moonglow I was referring to THIS posting by CarolUK, not Mrs C, sorry. I fully agree with it.
BlurAlly
20-12-2006
Okay moonglow did say that was her opinion... Fair enough maybe you want to know why people enjoy her dances? Well perhaps it is the same as the reasons you enjoy others? It is all personal opinion. Just because someone has a different opinion to the majority here doesn't mean it is wrong.

I personally think Emma produced the most consistent performances. But I haven't thought that every week but the majority I found enjoyable. I look for performances, so its not just technical aspects. But the point is I enjoyed her performances. I disagree that they were passionless etc. But there you go that's what I think and I gather moonglow felt the same.
loz2601
20-12-2006
Originally Posted by moonglow:
“Stella Street,

You really have it in for the judges dont you? On every thread I go on you're criticising them. And why? Just because they criticise you're favourite or don't give them 10's. And it doesn't matter what you come back and tell me it is obvious that's the reason you don't like them. Maybe you should turn the sound down every time they speak if you feel that strongly about them.

You should have respect for people who are experts in the dancing field, whether its choreography or dancing professionally, or teaching. Not insult them at every opportunity.

You have to remember they're a lot more knowledgable than you and they know what they're talking about. To criticise the 4 judges constantly is disrespectful. They have been brilliant.”

On every thread I go on, I see you critizising people who have the audacity to think there has been some bias this series shown by the judges.
Funny, because thats what the majority think.

And i trust what the professionals think more than the judges, as the dancers are current. And they regularly disagree with the judges, as do the majority of the public for one reason or another.

How do you know she isn't a dancing expert?
Last edited by loz2601 : 20-12-2006 at 17:52
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