Anyone else hate Widescreen TV's

OnexOne · 21-12-2006, 10:13

Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in!

mcel · 21-12-2006, 10:17

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in!

Yes, but the fat picture is only created if the TV isn't set up properly: a WS TV can show a 4:3 picture in its correct aspect ratio. And good TVs, with good broadcast sources don't have pixellation.

broadz · 21-12-2006, 10:19

No, what I hate is people who have widescreen TVs and have them wrongly set-up so that everybody appears fat. It's not difficult to configure the Sky or Freeview box and DVD player to output an anamorphic signal, but too many people are too lazy to bother doing it, and just live with the fat picture.

But to put the blame for this at the television's feet is a mistake. Why would anybody prefer to watch movies or programmes where there are either intrusive black bands at the top and bottom of the screen, or even worse, the dreaded pan and scan kicks in and all action from the edges of the picture are lost? Widescreen is here to stay, and anybody who says they hate it is not a true television/cinema lover. Still, some people couldn't get to grips with colour TV broadcasts either...

bobcar · 21-12-2006, 10:25

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in!

People only look to fat on them because they are set up incorrectly.

So many people have their TVs set automatically to wide that many people think that's how they're supposed to be even for 4:3 viewing. Many Sky boxes, Cable boxes, Freeview boxes, DVD players etc are set up to output a 4:3 picture which is then stretched to fattyvision on a widescreen TV.

16:9 is a good compromise; 4:3 programmes will have bars on the side, 2.35:1 will have bars on the top and bottom while the now standard (for TV) 16:9 will have no bars. By contrast if set up properly your 4:3 TV will have no bars for 4:3 (old TV programmes, CH4 news, old films) but will have bars top and bottom for 16:9 and huge bars for 2.35:1.

EDIT: I must learn to type more quickly, the two previous posters beat me to it.

Last edited by bobcar : 21-12-2006 at 10:27.

El Guapo · 21-12-2006, 10:27

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in!

So what you really mean is you hate widescreen TV's that have not been setup correctly then? Watching a 16:9 film is much better on a widescreen TV than on a 4:3 TV any day!

OnexOne · 21-12-2006, 11:03

ill have to get the aspect ratio correct, and tell them! to change it! does my head in!

The_Master · 21-12-2006, 11:49

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Originally Posted by broadz

No, what I hate is people who have widescreen TVs and have them wrongly set-up so that everybody appears fat. It's not difficult to configure the Sky or Freeview box and DVD player to output an anamorphic signal, but too many people are too lazy to bother doing it, and just live with the fat picture.

But to put the blame for this at the television's feet is a mistake. Why would anybody prefer to watch movies or programmes where there are either intrusive black bands at the top and bottom of the screen, or even worse, the dreaded pan and scan kicks in and all action from the edges of the picture are lost? Widescreen is here to stay, and anybody who says they hate it is not a true television/cinema lover. Still, some people couldn't get to grips with colour TV broadcasts either...

That is a ridiculous statement to make. I hate Widescreen TVs they are too big and have a terrible picture. I love TV and cinema though, sometimes less is more.

OnexOne · 21-12-2006, 12:14

Give me a good 21" tv with a crisp clear picture to that of a widescreen fat pixelli tv any day!

broadz · 21-12-2006, 12:22

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Originally Posted by The_Master

That is a ridiculous statement to make. I hate Widescreen TVs they are too big and have a terrible picture. I love TV and cinema though, sometimes less is more.

Widescreen TVs are too big? Don't you mean big TVs are too big? Widescreen TVs have a terrible picture? Don't you mean cheap and nasty TVs have a terrible picture? I have a widescreen TV that is neither too big (in fact, it is the perfect size for my living room) and the picture is fantastic. And to claim you love cinema, then to claim you prefer to watch any movie made since the mid-sixties on a 4:3 TV rather than a 16:9 TV is just odd. Do the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen enhance your movie experience, or do you prefer not being able to see the whole picture when you watch a movie?

A-Friend · 21-12-2006, 12:23

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Originally Posted by The_Master

That is a ridiculous statement to make. I hate Widescreen TVs they are too big and have a terrible picture. I love TV and cinema though, sometimes less is more.

Get a smaller one then ... and one with better picture quality!!

david@payne01.f · 21-12-2006, 12:31

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in!

yes yes and yes
I remember the first program I saw was in dixons, it was You've Been framed with Lisa Dingle from emmerdale and she looked HUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGEEEEE.

soulboy77 · 21-12-2006, 12:31

With my parents cheapo CRT TV the settings choice is either 4:3 or 16:9. On 16:9 everything gets stretched to fill the screen but not evenly. This gives some hilarious pictures sometimes with people having one fat arm and one normal looking one.

Mark. · 21-12-2006, 12:34

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

Give me a good 21" tv with a crisp clear picture to that of a widescreen fat pixelli tv any day!

Er...we have a 28" CRT and the picture is perfectly clear, with no "fat people".

broadz · 21-12-2006, 12:38

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Originally Posted by dundee_mark

Er...we have a 28" CRT and the picture is perfectly clear, with no "fat people".

What about Lisa Dingle? Or Christopher Biggins? Or Fred Elliot? Or Jabba The Hut? You must have a magic telly if they're not fat.

Mark. · 21-12-2006, 12:40

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Originally Posted by broadz

What about Lisa Dingle? Or Christopher Biggins? Or Fred Elliot? Or Jabba The Hut? You must have a magic telly if they're not fat.

It's stretched vertically....although, even still....

OnexOne · 21-12-2006, 12:40

put it this way watching the like footie matches does my head in! all these short fat blokes running around! i thought it was a rugby match i was watching to begin with then found out it was the widescreen tv.

Mark. · 21-12-2006, 13:00

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

put it this way watching the like footie matches does my head in! all these short fat blokes running around! i thought it was a rugby match i was watching to begin with then found out it was the widescreen tv.

But that's NOT the TV's problem - it's the person who's set it up.

Adam792 · 21-12-2006, 13:01

Well, instead of complaining about it on a forum.

Get out the sodding manual to the TV, and do something about changing the settings so the people are no longer stretched, it's quite simple!

Honestly, some people... It's not rocket science.

broadz · 21-12-2006, 13:04

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

put it this way watching the like footie matches does my head in! all these short fat blokes running around! i thought it was a rugby match i was watching to begin with then found out it was the widescreen tv.

But you've already agreed it's because the TV (or more likely the digibox) has not been set up properly, not because it's a widescreen TV. Widescreen TVs by default do not make people look short and fat. That is fact. But, if the source of the programme is not set up to match the receiver of the programme, then of course you will get anomalies.

You'd have an equal but opposite problem if the Sky or Freeview box had been set up to output an anamorphic picture and you were watching on a 4:3 box, everyone would be too tall and thin. That would be like me complaining because a programme I was watching was too quiet, when all I would have to do is turn the volume up. It's not the TVs fault that I've got the volume turned too low.

Have a quiet word with these friends of yours who've spent money on a widescreen TV but not set it up properly and tell them how to configure the display properties of their digital TV box - they'll thank you in the end. Or stay at home and watch your titchy little 4:3 telly where you can only see two-thirds of the picture, while we all watch the match in its full widescreen glory and appreciate the fact that we can see much more than you can.

OnexOne · 21-12-2006, 13:06

wait a minute! i see all of the picture on my 21" tv as its set to letterbox! and that shows all the picture! and a crisp clear one at that!

Mark. · 21-12-2006, 13:07

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

wait a minute! i see all of the picture on my 21" tv as its set to letterbox! and that shows all the picture! and a crisp clear one at that!

Right...well a widescreen TV takes the letterboxed picture (i.e. no black bars) and shows only that...but bigger.

stafs · 21-12-2006, 13:07

I remember the first widescreen TV I had a rather irritating flaw of displaying any RGB signal as 16:9, so I had the option of changing my OnDigital box to composite or putting up with fat people. The fat people won.

Every TV I've had since has handles aspect ratio correctly, although it's not such as issue anymore as nearly every programme is in widescreen nowadays.

As far as football is concerned, I thought it was all broadcast in widescreen anyway, so not only get fat players but also lose a third of the picture. As has been mentioned, the Sky/cable/digibox needs to be set up to output 16:9.

slacker17 · 21-12-2006, 13:27

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

wait a minute! i see all of the picture on my 21" tv as its set to letterbox! and that shows all the picture! and a crisp clear one at that!

How close to the TV do you need to sit to watch it? Does it give you that cinema effect? Doubt it.

I hope it has a scart socket otherwise nothing will be crips or clear in 10 yrs time.

Do you brag to your mates about your 21" CRT? I bet your place is packed on match days!!

broadz · 21-12-2006, 13:34

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Originally Posted by slacker17

How close to the TV do you need to sit to watch it? Does it give you that cinema effect? Doubt it.

I hope it has a scart socket otherwise nothing will be crips or clear in 10 yrs time.

Do you brag to your mates about your 21" CRT? I bet your place is packed on match days!!

zenith52 · 21-12-2006, 14:42

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

wait a minute! i see all of the picture on my 21" tv as its set to letterbox! and that shows all the picture! and a crisp clear one at that!

I would have to move the sofa and chairs in 4 feet to be able to see the picture on a 21" TV!

Zen

21-12-2006, 10:13	#1
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 3,700	Anyone else hate Widescreen TV's Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in!

21-12-2006, 13:07	#22
stafs Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kingston Upon Thames Posts: 1,516	I remember the first widescreen TV I had a rather irritating flaw of displaying any RGB signal as 16:9, so I had the option of changing my OnDigital box to composite or putting up with fat people. The fat people won. Every TV I've had since has handles aspect ratio correctly, although it's not such as issue anymore as nearly every programme is in widescreen nowadays. As far as football is concerned, I thought it was all broadcast in widescreen anyway, so not only get fat players but also lose a third of the picture. As has been mentioned, the Sky/cable/digibox needs to be set up to output 16:9. Last edited by stafs : 21-12-2006 at 13:10.

21-12-2006, 10:17	#2
mcel Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 919	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in! Yes, but the fat picture is only created if the TV isn't set up properly: a WS TV can show a 4:3 picture in its correct aspect ratio. And good TVs, with good broadcast sources don't have pixellation.

21-12-2006, 10:19	#3
broadz Banned User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,313	No, what I hate is people who have widescreen TVs and have them wrongly set-up so that everybody appears fat. It's not difficult to configure the Sky or Freeview box and DVD player to output an anamorphic signal, but too many people are too lazy to bother doing it, and just live with the fat picture. But to put the blame for this at the television's feet is a mistake. Why would anybody prefer to watch movies or programmes where there are either intrusive black bands at the top and bottom of the screen, or even worse, the dreaded pan and scan kicks in and all action from the edges of the picture are lost? Widescreen is here to stay, and anybody who says they hate it is not a true television/cinema lover. Still, some people couldn't get to grips with colour TV broadcasts either...

21-12-2006, 10:25	#4
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in! People only look to fat on them because they are set up incorrectly. So many people have their TVs set automatically to wide that many people think that's how they're supposed to be even for 4:3 viewing. Many Sky boxes, Cable boxes, Freeview boxes, DVD players etc are set up to output a 4:3 picture which is then stretched to fattyvision on a widescreen TV. 16:9 is a good compromise; 4:3 programmes will have bars on the side, 2.35:1 will have bars on the top and bottom while the now standard (for TV) 16:9 will have no bars. By contrast if set up properly your 4:3 TV will have no bars for 4:3 (old TV programmes, CH4 news, old films) but will have bars top and bottom for 16:9 and huge bars for 2.35:1. EDIT: I must learn to type more quickly, the two previous posters beat me to it. Last edited by bobcar : 21-12-2006 at 10:27.

21-12-2006, 10:27	#5
El Guapo Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South East Posts: 4,638	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in! So what you really mean is you hate widescreen TV's that have not been setup correctly then? Watching a 16:9 film is much better on a widescreen TV than on a 4:3 TV any day!

21-12-2006, 11:03	#6
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 3,700	ill have to get the aspect ratio correct, and tell them! to change it! does my head in!

21-12-2006, 11:49	#7
The_Master Banned User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Essex. Posts: 2,623	Quote: Originally Posted by broadz No, what I hate is people who have widescreen TVs and have them wrongly set-up so that everybody appears fat. It's not difficult to configure the Sky or Freeview box and DVD player to output an anamorphic signal, but too many people are too lazy to bother doing it, and just live with the fat picture. But to put the blame for this at the television's feet is a mistake. Why would anybody prefer to watch movies or programmes where there are either intrusive black bands at the top and bottom of the screen, or even worse, the dreaded pan and scan kicks in and all action from the edges of the picture are lost? Widescreen is here to stay, and anybody who says they hate it is not a true television/cinema lover. Still, some people couldn't get to grips with colour TV broadcasts either... That is a ridiculous statement to make. I hate Widescreen TVs they are too big and have a terrible picture. I love TV and cinema though, sometimes less is more.

21-12-2006, 12:14	#8
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 3,700	Give me a good 21" tv with a crisp clear picture to that of a widescreen fat pixelli tv any day!

21-12-2006, 12:22	#9
broadz Banned User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,313	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Master That is a ridiculous statement to make. I hate Widescreen TVs they are too big and have a terrible picture. I love TV and cinema though, sometimes less is more. Widescreen TVs are too big? Don't you mean big TVs are too big? Widescreen TVs have a terrible picture? Don't you mean cheap and nasty TVs have a terrible picture? I have a widescreen TV that is neither too big (in fact, it is the perfect size for my living room) and the picture is fantastic. And to claim you love cinema, then to claim you prefer to watch any movie made since the mid-sixties on a 4:3 TV rather than a 16:9 TV is just odd. Do the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen enhance your movie experience, or do you prefer not being able to see the whole picture when you watch a movie?

21-12-2006, 12:23	#10
A-Friend Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,378	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Master That is a ridiculous statement to make. I hate Widescreen TVs they are too big and have a terrible picture. I love TV and cinema though, sometimes less is more. Get a smaller one then ... and one with better picture quality!!

21-12-2006, 12:31	#11
david@payne01.f Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,041	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne Hi folks! anyone else out there hate large say 28" + Tv's that have that awful picture that everyone is fat! and often many are way to pixille! What is that all about! Im quite happy with my standard 21" great picture standard letterbox type TV that everyone looks the correct size in! yes yes and yes I remember the first program I saw was in dixons, it was You've Been framed with Lisa Dingle from emmerdale and she looked HUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGEEEEE.

21-12-2006, 12:31	#12
soulboy77 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Herts Posts: 17,005	With my parents cheapo CRT TV the settings choice is either 4:3 or 16:9. On 16:9 everything gets stretched to fill the screen but not evenly. This gives some hilarious pictures sometimes with people having one fat arm and one normal looking one.

21-12-2006, 12:34	#13
Mark. Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The dark side of the moon Posts: 51,381	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne Give me a good 21" tv with a crisp clear picture to that of a widescreen fat pixelli tv any day! Er...we have a 28" CRT and the picture is perfectly clear, with no "fat people".

21-12-2006, 12:38	#14
broadz Banned User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,313	Quote: Originally Posted by dundee_mark Er...we have a 28" CRT and the picture is perfectly clear, with no "fat people". What about Lisa Dingle? Or Christopher Biggins? Or Fred Elliot? Or Jabba The Hut? You must have a magic telly if they're not fat.

21-12-2006, 12:40	#15
Mark. Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The dark side of the moon Posts: 51,381	Quote: Originally Posted by broadz What about Lisa Dingle? Or Christopher Biggins? Or Fred Elliot? Or Jabba The Hut? You must have a magic telly if they're not fat. It's stretched vertically....although, even still....

21-12-2006, 13:00	#17
Mark. Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The dark side of the moon Posts: 51,381	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne put it this way watching the like footie matches does my head in! all these short fat blokes running around! i thought it was a rugby match i was watching to begin with then found out it was the widescreen tv. But that's NOT the TV's problem - it's the person who's set it up.

21-12-2006, 13:01	#18
Adam792 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Worcester Posts: 4,850	Well, instead of complaining about it on a forum. Get out the sodding manual to the TV, and do something about changing the settings so the people are no longer stretched, it's quite simple! Honestly, some people... It's not rocket science.

21-12-2006, 13:04	#19
broadz Banned User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,313	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne put it this way watching the like footie matches does my head in! all these short fat blokes running around! i thought it was a rugby match i was watching to begin with then found out it was the widescreen tv. But you've already agreed it's because the TV (or more likely the digibox) has not been set up properly, not because it's a widescreen TV. Widescreen TVs by default do not make people look short and fat. That is fact. But, if the source of the programme is not set up to match the receiver of the programme, then of course you will get anomalies. You'd have an equal but opposite problem if the Sky or Freeview box had been set up to output an anamorphic picture and you were watching on a 4:3 box, everyone would be too tall and thin. That would be like me complaining because a programme I was watching was too quiet, when all I would have to do is turn the volume up. It's not the TVs fault that I've got the volume turned too low. Have a quiet word with these friends of yours who've spent money on a widescreen TV but not set it up properly and tell them how to configure the display properties of their digital TV box - they'll thank you in the end. Or stay at home and watch your titchy little 4:3 telly where you can only see two-thirds of the picture, while we all watch the match in its full widescreen glory and appreciate the fact that we can see much more than you can.

21-12-2006, 13:06	#20
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 3,700	wait a minute! i see all of the picture on my 21" tv as its set to letterbox! and that shows all the picture! and a crisp clear one at that!

21-12-2006, 13:07	#21
Mark. Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The dark side of the moon Posts: 51,381	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne wait a minute! i see all of the picture on my 21" tv as its set to letterbox! and that shows all the picture! and a crisp clear one at that! Right...well a widescreen TV takes the letterboxed picture (i.e. no black bars) and shows only that...but bigger.

21-12-2006, 13:27	#23
slacker17 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Essex Posts: 287	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne wait a minute! i see all of the picture on my 21" tv as its set to letterbox! and that shows all the picture! and a crisp clear one at that! How close to the TV do you need to sit to watch it? Does it give you that cinema effect? Doubt it. I hope it has a scart socket otherwise nothing will be crips or clear in 10 yrs time. Do you brag to your mates about your 21" CRT? I bet your place is packed on match days!!

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21-12-2006, 13:34	#24
broadz Banned User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,313	Quote: Originally Posted by slacker17 How close to the TV do you need to sit to watch it? Does it give you that cinema effect? Doubt it. I hope it has a scart socket otherwise nothing will be crips or clear in 10 yrs time. Do you brag to your mates about your 21" CRT? I bet your place is packed on match days!!

21-12-2006, 14:42	#25
zenith52 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,522	Quote: Originally Posted by OnexOne wait a minute! i see all of the picture on my 21" tv as its set to letterbox! and that shows all the picture! and a crisp clear one at that! I would have to move the sofa and chairs in 4 feet to be able to see the picture on a 21" TV! Zen