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Old 24-12-2006, 18:31
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My four year old Audi A4 TDI has had quite a hard life, doing some 92,000 miles and the damn electric windows have failed (all 4). The MOT is due soon, so I would be very grateful if anybody knows if electric windows tested in an MOT test? Will it fail because they are not working?
Thanks for any help.
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Old 24-12-2006, 18:38
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dont think they are tested
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Old 24-12-2006, 18:39
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SJ, it seems a little odd that all four windows have stopped working. Did they all fail at the same time?
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Old 24-12-2006, 18:58
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Originally Posted by Sigurd
SJ, it seems a little odd that all four windows have stopped working. Did they all fail at the same time?
I know, it is really bad reliability. They failed at different times over about a year. I think it might have been my children playing with them.
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Old 24-12-2006, 19:00
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I'm not sure but I think it will fail.
I don't know if yours has but some Audi's have a round cover on the door panel that you can put the sunroof winder handle in., to get them up and down manually...

I know people that have had problems with the switches too.

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Old 24-12-2006, 19:00
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Originally Posted by Satellite John
I know, it is really bad reliability. They failed at different times over about a year. I think it might have been my children playing with them.
I thought if they'd all gone at the same time it might have been something straightforward like a fuse. Obviously not, though.

I don't think the opening of windows is checked in the MOT. Have a look at this checklist:

http://www.welcomecar.co.uk/web/cars/mot.html
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Old 24-12-2006, 19:41
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You WILL, without doubt fail your MOT with windows that do not work! Costs several hundred punds to repair as well.
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Old 24-12-2006, 19:44
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Well, look at it this way.

What would you do if your car plummeted into a river? (Not that this will happen! )

You need to be able to open the windows so the door will open (the water pressure will stop it otherwise).

Get them fixed
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Old 24-12-2006, 19:45
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Originally Posted by ncma
You WILL, without doubt fail your MOT with windows that do not work! Costs several hundred punds to repair as well.
"Apart from the front windscreen, no other windows on a vehicle have to be checked for the MOT."
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Old 24-12-2006, 19:47
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No It's wrong.... I run and own a garage that does MOTs; we have failed NO LESS THAN 2 PEOPLE this year alone for broken eletric windows.

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Old 24-12-2006, 19:49
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Originally Posted by ncma
No It's wrong.... I run and own a garage that does MOTs; we have failed NO LESS THAN 2 PEOPLE this year alone for broken eletric windows.
Then advise them if they're wrong.
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Old 24-12-2006, 19:49
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Originally Posted by Gort
Then advise them if they're wrong.
It's these misconceptions about eletrical faults that lead to several thousand 'A' - 'G' reg cars being left on the road, unlawfully, each year. It is a serious risk to health and I feel I may start a campaign to root out those who do not perform proper MOT tests.

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Old 24-12-2006, 19:59
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No mention of windows (other than the windscreen, obviously) on this government MOT advice page either:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/Motoring/Ow...070&chk=vzsMb2

If non-functioning electric windows should indeed cause a car to fail its MOT, I'd be interested to see evidence for this.
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Old 24-12-2006, 20:14
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Of the many vehicles that I have prepared for and sent for MOT test that have inoperative windows, I have never known one fail because of it.

I have never seen an MOT tester check for operation of the windows, I have never seen this test published as part of the MOT check list and, as far as I am aware, there is no legal requirement for a vehicle to be fitted with opening side windows; I imagine you'd be slightly bu&&ered if you run a security company with fixed bullet proof side windows in it's vehicles.
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Old 24-12-2006, 21:53
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Originally Posted by Ste...
Well, look at it this way.

What would you do if your car plummeted into a river? (Not that this will happen! )

You need to be able to open the windows so the door will open (the water pressure will stop it otherwise).

Get them fixed
I doubt electrical windows would work under water anyway............
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Old 24-12-2006, 22:45
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Originally Posted by swells
I doubt electrical windows would work under water anyway............
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Old 24-12-2006, 23:44
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My friends old Merc has passed it's MOT several times and his windows have not opened for ages. He disconnected the fuse (or somesuch thing) 'cos he was fed up with his kids and wife opening the windows when the AC was on. He never puts the fuse (or whatever it is he has done to stop them working) back in for an MOT and it has never failed.
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Old 24-12-2006, 23:49
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Bledding Hell, are they still selling those things?!

Dayglo orange plastic thing with a double ended hammer one end and a seatbelt cutting blade the other, yes?

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Old 25-12-2006, 01:26
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lol costs several hundred pounds to repair you really do sound like you own a garage ncma you dont even know whats wrong with the car yet its already going to cost several hundred to repair. to the op i have had 2 cars with electric windows that didnt work and both of them passed the mot also if you do look at the mot checklist you wont find electric windows on the checklist. if you are worried tho for several hundred pounds ncma can get them fixed for you
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Old 25-12-2006, 01:41
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yes it will fail the mot
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Old 25-12-2006, 03:17
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I'd imagine that the repair of 4 faulty electric windows would cost hundreds for labour alone if each door has to be partially dismantled - at a main agent anyway.

Presumably the car should not pass because the driver cannot wind down the windows to give hand signals should his indicators fail? The armoured vehicles which someone mentioned before always have a plate on the back saying "No hand signals".

It isn't on the checklist for MOTs though.
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Old 25-12-2006, 07:19
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Originally Posted by Satellite John
My four year old Audi A4 TDI has had quite a hard life, doing some 92,000 miles and the damn electric windows have failed (all 4). The MOT is due soon, so I would be very grateful if anybody knows if electric windows tested in an MOT test? Will it fail because they are not working?
Thanks for any help.
Undoubtedly this will fail !!!!

It can also fail if there are fag burns or tears in the back seat (only the back seat mind) or if your carpet has more than four square inches that smells like urine !!!!! BE WARNED
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Old 25-12-2006, 07:27
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I'd imagine that the repair of 4 faulty electric windows would cost hundreds for labour alone if each door has to be partially dismantled - at a main agent anyway.

Presumably the car should not pass because the driver cannot wind down the windows to give hand signals should his indicators fail? The armoured vehicles which someone mentioned before always have a plate on the back saying "No hand signals".

It isn't on the checklist for MOTs though.
If someone is daft enough to tack a car to the main agent for repair the deserve to be charged hundreds of pounds.
Go to a scrap yard and get one door switch, if it works great get them all, if it doesn't you'll have to move to plan B...
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Old 25-12-2006, 08:08
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Originally Posted by John,
If someone is daft enough to tack a car to the main agent for repair the deserve to be charged hundreds of pounds.
Go to a scrap yard and get one door switch, if it works great get them all, if it doesn't you'll have to move to plan B...
wouldnt it be easier to test the existing switch with a multi-meter ?
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Old 25-12-2006, 08:23
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wouldnt it be easier to test the existing switch with a multi-meter ?
If would be if he has one, or even a test lamp.
I know someone who had the same problem on a Audi 80 and that's what it was...
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