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Old 04-01-2007, 10:37
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hi guys,

i am looking to by either a 40" - 42" HDTV for wall mounting. i have between £1000 - £1200 to spend, i dont mind lcd or plasma but would ideally prefer it to be 1080p i have tried to have a good look around these forums for this information but most seem to be 1080i which effectivly runs at 25fps rather than 50fps. this wont be a problem for me at the moment but i would like a more future proof tv with the ps3 on the horizon! lol

i know this must be a popular question and i apologise, but thanks in advance
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Old 06-01-2007, 00:47
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no chance of getting 1080p that cheap, i think you will be looking at about £1500 upwards and that's for an LCD so the picture will be CRAP!

Just go for a 720p Plasma you will get a much better picture, the Panasonic 42PX60 is the best buy at the moment for £899
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Old 06-01-2007, 12:20
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You are looking at around £1600 for a 1920 x 1080p LCD:
- Samsung LE40F71BX
- Sony KDL-40W2000
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Old 06-01-2007, 15:26
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Sharp LC37XD1E is £999 at EmpireDirect, the LC42XD1e is £1099 at the same place and also in Dixons for the same sort of money. Both are 1920x1080p sets although only do 1080p via HDMI. As far as I know, all Sharp sets have no separate component input but come with a component to VGA adapter.
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:26
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thanks for all the help guys i have lots to think about now!!

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Old 12-01-2007, 12:56
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There's 1080p Toshiba 42wlt66 on Comet for 1119.99 (webprice) i came across but don't know if any good as I'm not a TV wizz-kid!
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Old 12-01-2007, 20:05
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Originally Posted by *debs*
There's 1080p Toshiba 42wlt66 on Comet for 1119.99 (webprice) i came across but don't know if any good as I'm not a TV wizz-kid!
That TV is only 1080i and NOT 1080p. The best 1080p tv about at the momet at an afordable price is the Sharp LC37XD1E and the next model up at 42".
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Old 12-01-2007, 20:19
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Originally Posted by mrshawty
That TV is only 1080i and NOT 1080p. The best 1080p tv about at the momet at an afordable price is the Sharp LC37XD1E and the next model up at 42".
Wrong! There is no such thing as an interlaced LCD.

In any case plasmas offer better SD and HD pictures than any current LCD, even though they have fewer pixels.
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Old 12-01-2007, 20:29
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Originally Posted by meltcity
Wrong! There is no such thing as an interlaced LCD.

In any case plasmas offer better SD and HD pictures than any current LCD, even though they have fewer pixels.
Look before you post look at the facts first. If you go to comet you will see that the tv is shown at 1080i, also go and look at the av forums on this tv, you will find that they state it is also 1080i. Furthermore the Sharp 1080p LC37XD1E has rave reviews about its SD and HD quality.
Get some facts before posting on something that might see someone wasting 1000s of pounds on a tv.
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Old 12-01-2007, 21:27
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Originally Posted by mrshawty
Look before you post look at the facts first. If you go to comet you will see that the tv is shown at 1080i, also go and look at the av forums on this tv, you will find that they state it is also 1080i. Furthermore the Sharp 1080p LC37XD1E has rave reviews about its SD and HD quality.
Get some facts before posting on something that might see someone wasting 1000s of pounds on a tv.
I think the point is that it will display a pictue progressively, because a 1080i signal is de-interlaced first. The fact it won't accept and display a 1080p signal is the key to this thread.
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Old 12-01-2007, 21:49
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Originally Posted by russellelly
I think the point is that it will display a pictue progressively, because a 1080i signal is de-interlaced first. The fact it won't accept and display a 1080p signal is the key to this thread.
The fact is though is its not a 1080p tv it is an 1080i and is advertised as that. If someone wants a 1080p tv then you dont go out and buy a 1080i tv. The origanal thread was about 1080p tvs and the person i first qouted i was correcting and saying its not an 1080p tv.
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Old 12-01-2007, 23:21
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What exactly do you mean by a 1080p TV?
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Old 13-01-2007, 00:04
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Originally Posted by meltcity
What exactly do you mean by a 1080p TV?
I tv that inputs and outputs a 1080p source which the toshiba doesnt and the sharp does over HDMI. Thats why there is a difference between 1080i tvs and 1080p tvs. If you want to argue that point argue it with the people who make the tvs themselves and ask them why they advertise it at 1080i and not 1080p.
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Old 13-01-2007, 14:55
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It's not enough to say simply that an LCD is 1080i or 1080p because the output from any 1920 x 1080 LCD will be 1080p regardless of the resolution of the input signal.

A '1080p compatible' TV would be one which accepts 1080p over at least one of the HD inputs.

In my view the quality of the deinterlacing in a TV is far more important than whether it accepts 1080p or not. Broadcast HD is 1080i and most TVs do a terrible job of deinterlacing it. For example, instead of taking the two 540 line fields of a film frame and merging them back together to recover the full 1080 lines of resolution, 99% of current TVs treat each field as a unique frame and line double. This considerably reduces the visible resolution.

I had a look at the online manual for the LC37XD1E and the term 1080p is not mentioned once. I'm not saying it can't take 1080p but I'm surprised the manual doesn't mention it.

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Old 13-01-2007, 15:02
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Originally Posted by meltcity
It's not enough to say simply that an LCD is 1080i or 1080p because the output from any 1920 x 1080 LCD will be 1080p regardless of the resolution of the input signal.

A '1080p compatible' TV would be one which accepts 1080p over at least one of the HD inputs.

In my view the quality of the deinterlacing in a TV is far more important than whether it accepts 1080p or not. Broadcast HD is 1080i and most TVs do a terrible job of deinterlacing it. For example, instead of taking the two 540 line fields of a film frame and merging them back together to recover the full 1080 lines of resolution, 99% of current TVs treat each field as a unique frame and line double. This considerably reduces the visible resolution.

I had a look at the manual for the LC37XD1E and the term 1080p is not mentioned once. I'm not saying it can't take 1080p but I'm surprised the manual doesn't mention it.
Believe me it does, it takes it over HDMI and is a full HD tv where as the other one will not input 1080p so is not as full HD tv. Like i said if you want to argue this argue with the experts that make these tvs. The sharp LC37XD1E a full HD set that not only gives you great HD pictures it also gives you great SD pictures. And all for £999 from empire direct. There is a reason the Toshiba is only advertised at 1080i and that reason is that its not a full HDTV set.
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:06
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Originally Posted by flynnyj
hi guys,

i am looking to by either a 40" - 42" HDTV for wall mounting. i have between £1000 - £1200 to spend, i dont mind lcd or plasma but would ideally prefer it to be 1080p i have tried to have a good look around these forums for this information but most seem to be 1080i which effectivly runs at 25fps rather than 50fps. this wont be a problem for me at the moment but i would like a more future proof tv with the ps3 on the horizon! lol

i know this must be a popular question and i apologise, but thanks in advance
just found this on sale at xomy (free delivery)

http://www.xomy.com/shop-uk/index.ph...&xomyStore=tvs

Samsung 40in LCD TV - LE40F71BX/XEU - £1294.07

it's just a bit over your budget but for a 40'' 1080p it's great
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:19
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Originally Posted by mrshawty
Believe me it does, it takes it over HDMI and is a full HD tv where as the other one will not input 1080p so is not as full HD tv. Like i said if you want to argue this argue with the experts that make these tvs. The sharp LC37XD1E a full HD set that not only gives you great HD pictures it also gives you great SD pictures. And all for £999 from empire direct. There is a reason the Toshiba is only advertised at 1080i and that reason is that its not a full HDTV set.
I'm not arguing with the experts. I'm arguing with you! Please show me an advert for a 1080i LCD from a reputable source.

To say an LCD is 1080i is misleading given that the output will always be 1080p. The new Blu-ray and HD-DVD players first convert the 1080p on the disc to 1080i then deinterlace, so the 1080p output will only be better if the deinterlacer in the player is better than the deinterlacer in the TV.
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:37
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Originally Posted by meltcity
I'm not arguing with the experts. I'm arguing with you! Please show me an advert for a 1080i LCD from a reputable source.

To say an LCD is 1080i is misleading given that the output will always be 1080p. The new Blu-ray and HD-DVD players first convert the 1080p on the disc to 1080i then deinterlace, so the 1080p output will only be better if the deinterlacer in the player is better than the deinterlacer in the TV.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317121

http://www.t3.co.uk/reviews/entertai...d_ready_lcd_tv

http://www.comet.co.uk/cometbrowse/p...=specification

http://www.gottatoshiba.com/catalog/product/42wlt66

http://www.unbeatable.co.uk/p_spc/To.../32099276.html

Why dont yiou accept that this tv is not an 1080p tv or it would be advertised as one. Im sure if it was one then toshiba would of kicked up a fuss by now on the advertising of this product. This tv will not accept a 1080p input. If you want to know more id advise you to read the av forums to find out.
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:52
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I accept that the TV is not 1080p compatible, but it still outputs 1080p.

Surely you accept that all LCDs use progressive scanning? This is the crux of the argument.

Other than CRTs the only displays capable of outputting interlaced video are ALiS plasmas.
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:57
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Originally Posted by meltcity
I accept that the TV is not 1080p compatible, but it still outputs 1080p.

Surely you accept that all LCDs use progressive scanning? This is the crux of the argument.

Other than CRTs the only displays capable of outputting interlaced video are ALiS plasmas.
No it isnt the arguement. The OP wanted a 1080p tv and this toshiba one is not a 1080p it is a 1080i. I stated this and you said i was wrong. If you still think im wrong then you need to argue with the people that make the tvs, and the people that own the tv on av forums. If i wanted a 1080p tv and someone qouted this one to me they would be false advertising as it will not input at 1080p. Thats what the whole thread is about, "best hdtv 1080p around £1100?" I would say the sharp LC37XD1E is the best 1080p tv out at that price at the moment. Saying the toshiba is would be false advertising.
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Old 13-01-2007, 16:08
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So you don't accept that the Toshiba outputs 1080p?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do!
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Old 13-01-2007, 16:17
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Originally Posted by meltcity
So you don't accept that the Toshiba outputs 1080p?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do!
Yes it does by what you have said but it is not an 1080p tv. Thats what THIS thread is about. If you want to start a new thread about the subject then start one but i will not be posting in it. I was correcting someone on this thread that said the toshiba is a 1080p tv and that is false. Pure and simple that the toshiba is not a 1080p tv and if told it is one would be false advertising. I will qoute again the name of this thread "best hdtv 1080p around £1100?" The toshiba is not a 1080p tv. If you think it is then you need to sort some of your facts out. I have not once said it can not output 1080p. Your the one that tried to come on here and tell me i am wrong.
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Old 13-01-2007, 16:34
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What we have then is a basic disagreement about terminology.

I define a TV by its native output resolution, in this case, 1080p. You define a TV by its maximum input resolution, in which case an LCD with a native resolution of 1366 x 768p which accepts 1080i could be legitimately be described as a 1080i TV.

A '1080i LCD' which internally converts 1080i to 1080p is quite different from an ALiS panel which displays 1080i in native interlaced form - albeit with horizontal downscaling. How do you differentiate between the two? Toshiba ignores the i/p issue altogether, describing the 42WLT66 as FullHD 1080. The 'i' bit was added by Comet.

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Old 13-01-2007, 16:42
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Originally Posted by meltcity
What we have then is a basic disagreement about terminology.

I define a TV by its native output resolution, in this case, 1080p. You define a TV by its maximum input resolution, in which case an LCD with a native resolution of 1366 x 768p which accepts 1080i could be legitimately be described as a 1080i TV.

A '1080i LCD' which internally converts 1080i to 1080p is quite different from an ALiS panel which displays 1080i in native interlaced form - albeit with horizontal downscaling. How do you differentiate between the two? Toshiba ignores the i/p issue altogether, describing the 42WLT66 as FullHD 1080. The 'i' bit was added by Comet.
No as far as im aware the i was added to stop the confussion wether it was i/p. If the toshiba can not input at 1080p how will it accept a blu ray player or hd dvd player, because over the av fourms its been agreed that if you plug a blu ray player into this tv the screen will be blank as it does not input at 1080p.
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Old 13-01-2007, 17:11
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It still says Full 1080 HD Ready on the Toshiba web site.

Most 1080p displays won't accept a 1080p signal, but they will take 1080i from a Blu-ray, HD-DVD player or PS3 and deinterlace it to 1080p (badly!). Calling an LCD 1080i adds to the confusion in my opinion because it gives the impression that the TV is an interlaced display.

I think the OP is confused in believing that a 1080i TV outputs 25 frames per second. 1080i is always refreshed at 50Hz or 60Hz, while 1080p can be 24Hz, 25Hz, 30Hz, 50Hz or 60Hz. The current batch of HD-DVD and Blu-ray players upconvert the 24p on the disc to 60Hz rather than offering a native 24p output.

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