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Old 21-06-2007, 18:04
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BBC1 seem to be in a unique situation where they can put a repeat on in the middle of prime time and still manage 4-5m viewers. No other channel would manage this

They also seem to show Traffic Cops style programmes very frequently in various slots
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Old 21-06-2007, 18:34
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CHANNEL 4 LAST NIGHT

18:00 The Simpsons 1.907 Million
18:30 Hollyoaks 1.585 Million
20:00 BIG BROTHER 3.058 Million
20:30 Brothers and Sisters 2.221 Million
21:30 BIG BROTHER 3.780 Million
22:00 Brothers and Sisters 1.443 Million

E4
1900 Hollyoaks 604000
1930 Big Brother's Little Brother 455400
2100 Runaway 55200
2200 Big Brother's Big Mouth 466700
2230 My Name is Earl 281600
2300 Brothers and Sisters 263000
These are very disappointing figures for Brothers & Sisters given the timeslot and promotion involved.

But the E4 figures are even worse. Only 263,000 watched the first look episode, but around 20,000 more watched the repeat of My Name is Earl before it.

Usually first look episodes of the big US shows get around 600,000 - 1.2 million on E4. So 263,000 is dismal.

I could see this moving to E4 permenantly before too long.
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Old 21-06-2007, 18:49
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These are very disappointing figures for Brothers & Sisters given the timeslot and promotion involved.

But the E4 figures are even worse. Only 263,000 watched the first look episode, but around 20,000 more watched the repeat of My Name is Earl before it.

Usually first look episodes of the big US shows get around 600,000 - 1.2 million on E4. So 263,000 is dismal.

I could see this moving to E4 permenantly before too long.
Getting 200,000 for a first look in that time slot isn't bad. When Desperate Housewives made its first debut with nearly 5 million, just less than 200,000 watched the next episode on E4, but it probably brought in above 1% to the channel considering it being at 11pm.
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Old 21-06-2007, 18:52
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Getting 200,000 for a first look in that time slot isn't bad. When Desperate Housewives made its first debut with nearly 5 million, just less than 200,000 watched the next episode on E4, but it probably brought in above 1% to the channel considering it being at 11pm.
Well at least the 5 million for the C4 showing made up for it.

In this case both the C4 and E4 figures were poor.
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Old 21-06-2007, 18:54
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Low Ratings for the Bill too.
I would have said 5.4 million for the Bil was around normal for a Wednesday night.
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Old 21-06-2007, 18:56
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Well at least the 5 million for the C4 showing made up for it.

In this case both the C4 and E4 figures were poor.
C4 ratings were poor, but E4's ratings were quite good, but could have done even better. It also questions why digital channels rarely get over 3% nowadays.
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Old 21-06-2007, 18:58
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I guess Cold Blood's ratings dipped over the 90 mins. Does anyone have the 5 min breakdown for it?
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Old 21-06-2007, 19:18
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I think B&S would have done better if it had the 9pm slot.

8.30pm is a difficult one for a very obvious reason.

Look at what was on the other terrestrials from 8pm:

BBC1 - (8pm-8.30pm) National Lottery Jetset
BBC2 - (8pm-9pm) It's Not Easy Being Green
ITV1 - (8pm-9pm) The Bill
Five - (8pm-9pm) Families at War

3 out of the 4 were broadcasting hour long shows from 8pm, and so it is unlikely that anyone watching those would turn over halfway through to watch Brothers and Sisters.

C4 were obviously relying on the BB lead-in. But why exactly?

- BB hasn't been particularly popular this series, even The F Word beat it a few nights ago
- Big Brother/Brothers and Sisters appeal to totally different demographics IMO

I also think the first look episodes would be more suited to More 4 than E4, but again, just my opinion.

Hopefully though this means C4 will think twice before opting for the 'sandwich' method to launch a new series next time.
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Old 21-06-2007, 19:55
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I guess Cold Blood's ratings dipped over the 90 mins. Does anyone have the 5 min breakdown for it?
The audience dropped from 4.5m (21.9%) to 3.5m (18%) in the last quarter of an hour.

BBC2's Rome saw its audience fall from 2.4m (11.7%) to 2m (9.4%) in the final 15-minutes.
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Old 22-06-2007, 00:14
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A Traffic Cops Repeat beats a new Series opener of Cold Blood - laughable for ITV also Big Brother Nearly beats it.
Low Ratings for the Bill too. Any Idea How the soaps did ?
Two repeats occupying the 9pm slot this week on BBC One? What's that all about?

And they're good ratings for The Bill - I'd hardly call 5.4 million low. It beat everything else.

I am so disappointed with B&S! Why didn't anyone watch this great piece of drama?
I watched it and whilst the writing was decent enough it was dreadfully dull. That might be a reason - hopefully it will pick up soon but I don't think I can say the same about the ratings. I agree with whoever said it will most likely get shunted to E4 before long.
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Old 22-06-2007, 02:54
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I am so disappointed with B&S! Why didn't anyone watch this great piece of drama?
..because it was extremely dull perhaps?
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Old 22-06-2007, 10:00
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Just incase people did not know, the ratings on the channel4 website only show the lowest the show got,, so for instance Hollyoaks 1.8 is the lowest ratings the show got at that time so it wouldnt show if the show peaked at 2.3 million ..
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Old 22-06-2007, 10:28
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Just incase people did not know, the ratings on the channel4 website only show the lowest the show got,, so for instance Hollyoaks 1.8 is the lowest ratings the show got at that time so it wouldnt show if the show peaked at 2.3 million ..
It's not the lowest the show got, it shows the average the show got.
 
Old 22-06-2007, 10:41
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It's not the lowest the show got, it shows the average the show got.
But still it will not show if the it peaked at at say 2.4 million.. so people think Hollyoaks ratings are low but Channel 4 will not say what the show peaked at.
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Old 22-06-2007, 11:38
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Media Guardian has just updated:

Dalziel and Pascoe detain 5.9m


Leigh Holmwood
Friday June 22, 2007
MediaGuardian.co.uk


Dalziel and Pascoe: pulled in a share of 27% in the 9pm hour slot

A gruesome new episode of detective drama Dalziel and Pascoe won the 9pm slot for BBC1 last night with 5.9 million viewers.
The first of a two-part storyline, which featured teenagers being kidnapped and murdered and a man who is tortured, pulled in a share of 27% across the hour, according to unofficial overnights.

In a tightly fought 9pm hour, ITV1 came in third, with its new series Holiday Showdown Extreme attracting 2.1 million viewers and a 10% share.

Channel 4's Big Brother came second, with 3.7 million viewers and a 17% share, while Channel Five's House pulled in 1.8 million and an 8% share.

BBC2's Mary, Queen of Shops attracted 1.7 million viewers and an 8% share across the hour from 9pm.

At 10pm, ITV1 did even worse, being pushed into joint fifth position when its new series, Hollywood Lives, attracted just 1.5 million viewers and an 8% share over 30 minutes. Five's Shark attracted the same rating and share but over an hour.

BBC1's 10 O'Clock News won the 10pm slot with 5.4 million viewers and a 28% share, while Channel 4's American comedy My Name is Earl came second with 1.9 million and a 10% share.

BBC2's The Graham Norton Show pulled in 1.7 million viewers and a 9% share between 10pm and 10.30pm.

BBC1 again had the better of ITV1 at 8pm, with Holby City winning the slot with 5.4 million and a 27% share over an hour.

ITV1's The Bill pulled in 4 million and a 20% share between 8pm and 9pm, while Channel 4's How Clean is Your House attracted 2.5 million and a 13% share across 30 minutes from 8pm.

Channel 4's Embarrassing Illnesses at 8.30pm scored 2.9 million and a 14% share.

Five's Build a New Life in the Country pulled in 1.2 million and a 6% share across an hour from 8pm, while BBC2's In the Best Possible Taste attracted 1 million and a 5% share.

BBC1's Question Time at 10.35pm, in which journalist brothers Peter and Christopher Hitchens were brought together on the panel for a rare joint appearance, pulled in 2.7 million viewers and a 21% share.
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Old 22-06-2007, 11:58
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I think B&S would have done better if it had the 9pm slot.

8.30pm is a difficult one for a very obvious reason.

Look at what was on the other terrestrials from 8pm:

BBC1 - (8pm-8.30pm) National Lottery Jetset
BBC2 - (8pm-9pm) It's Not Easy Being Green
ITV1 - (8pm-9pm) The Bill
Five - (8pm-9pm) Families at War

3 out of the 4 were broadcasting hour long shows from 8pm, and so it is unlikely that anyone watching those would turn over halfway through to watch Brothers and Sisters.

C4 were obviously relying on the BB lead-in. But why exactly?

- BB hasn't been particularly popular this series, even The F Word beat it a few nights ago
- Big Brother/Brothers and Sisters appeal to totally different demographics IMO

I also think the first look episodes would be more suited to More 4 than E4, but again, just my opinion.

Hopefully though this means C4 will think twice before opting for the 'sandwich' method to launch a new series next time.
Channel 4 often use big brother to boost ratings of a show. They did it with Supernanny, desperate housewives and Lost, which all did really well.

The schedule was made weeks ago, so channel 4 didn't know big brother would not be as successful this time around.
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Old 22-06-2007, 12:21
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And now Broadcast:

Holiday Showdown brings just 2.1m to ITV1
Jon Rogers
11:00am
New ITV1 series Holiday Showdown Extreme could only attract 2.1m viewers (9.7%) at 9pm last night, the second time this week that the commercial network has scrapped past the 2m mark in that slot.

The 60-minute RDF-produced show held a largely steady audience over the time it was on air but it was significantly down on the channel's slot average for the year so far of 3.6m (16.2%).

The 'extreme' version of the show performed even more poorly than the regular programme. The opening edition of the previous series on 17 January last year managed an audience of 2.8m (12.2%) with each instalment after that breaking the 3m mark.

Over the five episodes it drew an audience of 3.5m (15.3%).

It is the second time this week that ITV1 has struggled in the key 9pm slot. On Tuesday 19 June Tycoon launched in the same slot with just 2m (9%).

Hollywood heartbreak

ITV1 continued to struggle at 10pm last night with the launch of Hollywood Lives only managing to appeal to 1.6m (7.9%) for 30-minutes. The six-part entertainment show was down by over 50% on the slot average for the year so far of 3.5m (17.6%).

Both ITV1 shows lost out to BBC1 and Channel 4 at their respective times.

C4 started strongly at 9pm with the highlights of the day's events from Big Brother taking 3.7m (17%) over an hour. The ensuing US comedy My Name is Earl humoured 1.9m (9.6%).

But C4 couldn't make much of an impact on BBC1 as the corporation's flagship channel steamed ahead in the ratings.

Dalziel and Pascoe claimed 5.8m (26.9%) at 9pm while its news update at 10pm had 5.3m (27.9%).

Hollywood Lives actually found itself in fourth place in the ratings race as BBC2's The Graham Norton Show entertained 1.7m (8.6%). Five's Shark was just a whisker behind ITV1 on 1.5m (8.2%).

Between 9pm and 10.30pm ITV1 could only gain a share of 9.2%. BBC1 gained the lion's share of viewers with 27% while C4 had 14.8%. BBC2 and Five were tied on 8.1%.

Peaks and troughs

BBC2 didn't have anything to smile about earlier in peaktime as the channel failed to break the 1m mark between 7pm and 9pm .

This World: All-Girl Squad at 7pm had 698,000 (4.1%) which was followed by The Museum at 7.30pm with 873,000 (4.7%). The interior design programme In the Best Possible Taste took 987,000 (5%).

Five initially struggled at this time with a repeat of Getting on the Property Ladder at 7.15pm on 407,000 (2.2%) but its audience was boosted at 8pm with 1.2m (6.2%) watching Build a New Life in the Country.

C4's How Clean is Your House? picked up 2.4m (12.7%) while 2.8m (14%) wanted to see Embarrassing Illnesses at 8.30pm .

BBC1 also had a strong lead over ITV1 at 8pm with Holby City securing 5.3m (26.8%) over an hour. ITV1's The Bill could only gain a disappointing 3.9m (19.6%).

All hours shares for Thursday 21 June 2007 : BBC1 – 25.1%, ITV1 – 16.3%, C4 – 10.5%, BBC2 – 7.3%, Five – 5.9%, multichannel – 34.9%.

Peaktime ( 6pm to 10.30pm ) shares: BBC1 – 28.1%, ITV1 – 17.4%, C4 – 11.8%, BBC2 – 6.7%, Five – 5.9%, multichannel – 29.3%.
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Old 22-06-2007, 12:23
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Big Brother seems to be doing better. A disappointing showing for Mary, Queen of Shops but I hope it still gets recomissioned as I think it's brilliant. Does anyone what EastEnders got?
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Old 22-06-2007, 12:26
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Big Brother seems to be doing better. A disappointing showing for Mary, Queen of Shops but I hope it still gets recomissioned as I think it's brilliant. Does anyone what EastEnders got?
EastEnders got 8.8 million and Emmerdale 6.7 million.
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Old 22-06-2007, 12:30
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EastEnders got 8.8 million and Emmerdale 6.7 million.
Excellent. That means it beat Corrie's Wednesday night episode.
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Old 22-06-2007, 12:56
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I'm surprised at how many duff shows ITV1 appear to have at present between 8pm - 10.30pm, and BBC1 isn't even trying that hard to beat them, but beat them they are.

It will be interesting to see how Michael Grade & team tries to turn things around, I hope they just don't go for the obvious ratings winners like X Factor and BGT, I know of some new shows in the pipeline but isn't this a particular bad time for ITV1 ?
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Old 22-06-2007, 13:12
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But still it will not show if the it peaked at at say 2.4 million.. so people think Hollyoaks ratings are low but Channel 4 will not say what the show peaked at.
True but you can't attack them for just showing the average. That's how we measure the popularity of a show. Something could peak at 5 million but then fall to 3 million by the end. Should we then say that this show was watched by 5 million viewers?

I'm surprised at how many duff shows ITV1 appear to have at present between 8pm - 10.30pm, and BBC1 isn't even trying that hard to beat them, but beat them they are.

It will be interesting to see how Michael Grade & team tries to turn things around, I hope they just don't go for the obvious ratings winners like X Factor and BGT, I know of some new shows in the pipeline but isn't this a particular bad time for ITV1 ?
It's a bit of a disaster really. I bet they're missing Britain's Got Talent.

It all seems to have gone downhill since Monday (where they did surprisingly well). They haven't won the 9pm slot for the past three nights. Holiday Showdown flopped during its last run so it makes you wonder which idiot thought it would do well this time round. Tycoon similarly had 'flop' written all over it. Cold Blood is a bit more complicated because it pulled in nearly 6 million viewers last time round - it may be, like another poster said, that people just weren't able to get into because it relied on previous events to tell its story.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens next I suppose.
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Old 22-06-2007, 13:33
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Excellent. That means it beat Corrie's Wednesday night episode.
That's if those figures were correct. Comparing this weeks figures to last weeks, all shows have had an increase so I'm a bit doubtful that Wednesday's dropped dramatically. All will come out in the wash eventually.
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Old 22-06-2007, 13:41
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What a difference a week makes for ITV! The problem for them is that had BGT flopped it was only a week, but it seems their summer schedule is collapsing around them. They'll really need Hell's Kitchen to do well when it comes on (does anyone know when it starts?). C4 also beat ITV for viewers 16-34, with 14.1% compared to just 12.5% for ITV. Big Brother appears to be steadier now that BGT is over, but it just can't seem to pass the 4 millio barrier.
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Old 22-06-2007, 14:07
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I'm surprised at how many duff shows ITV1 appear to have at present between 8pm - 10.30pm, and BBC1 isn't even trying that hard to beat them, but beat them they are.
They are still suffering from moving their news away from 10pm. Has there been a single ITV success story in the 10pm to 10:30pm slot?
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