[RobbieSykes123]

Originally Posted by PJMillar

No they won't. You can't speak as if something will DEFINITELY happen. Arrogance.

PJ.

Hang on, you've just said "No they won't".

Is that not "arrogance"?

Problem for ITV1 is that most of its successes come about when BBC1 has nothing much on to compete - ie, a New Tricks umpteenth showing.

People increasingly seem to watch ITV1 only when there's nothing else on... (to paraphrase GeorgeS)

[RobbieSykes123]

Originally Posted by GeorgeS

Oh dear you really havent a clue do you sometimes

Teenage Kicks was first developed for radio (Radio 2). BBC tv has first refusal on development of tv versions of radio comedies. They obviously passed on Teenage Kicks, which mean the writers took it an pitched it to ITV, who comissioned it.

Whatever it's genesis, you can't have sat through last night's show and thought "this is nothing at all whatsoever like My Family"?

Mind you, you don't watch My Family do you...

[GeorgeS]

Originally Posted by KennyT

Presumably though, BBCtv may have "passed" on TK because it was too similar to MF (in the same way as they reputedly passed on "Primeval" - because they 'already had a show about a time-travelling doctor')!

K

There are as many differences as there are similarities between Teenage Kicks & My Family.

Its like saying EastEnders and Coronation Street are the same just because the both feature a pub in them.

Its impressive how Benidorm held up. I was expecting figures to drop to around 5m. I think figures will continue to slide over the series and it will settle for about 5.5m. It will be interesting when My Family goes up against it on Friday, although strictly speaking they aren't really aimed at the same audience so both could do well.

[Pizzatheaction]

Originally Posted by Chris1964

Coronation Streets move to Friday has had a disruptive effect on BBC scheduling. On paper HIGNFY and My Family are strong shows but 9.30 is late for MF.

My Family's narrative repeats are returning this year, at 7pm on Sunday evening in the first week.

In fact all four shows on BBC One and ITV1 between 9pm and 10 on Friday evenings will have narrative repeats at various times.

[KennyT]

Originally Posted by GeorgeS

...Its like saying EastEnders and Coronation Street are the same just because the both feature a pub in them.

Some might say they're at least similar (and I never said MF and TK were 'the same').

K

[Ads]

Looks like Channel 4 still have big problems on Friday night - Dirty Sexy Money looks likely to slump below a million viewers next week, and the Friday Night Project's ratings were lacklustre, especially considering Mariah Carey was the co host.

[5 a day]

Originally Posted by Ads

Looks like Channel 4 still have big problems on Friday night - Dirty Sexy Money looks likely to slump below a million viewers next week, and the Friday Night Project's ratings were lacklustre, especially considering Mariah Carey was the co host.

Or perhaps "because of"...

[Moloko]

Originally Posted by Ads

Looks like Channel 4 still have big problems on Friday night - Dirty Sexy Money looks likely to slump below a million viewers next week, and the Friday Night Project's ratings were lacklustre, especially considering Mariah Carey was the co host.

I think it serves them right, because recently they have been picking the wrong shows. Fine, I don't mind Dirty Sexy Money, but why on earth did they not consider buying comedy Pushing Daisies, which I think would be much bigger. Plus, Anna Friel is in, whose already been on one of Channel 4's previous bigger shows, Brookside. And they bought Reaper for E4 when they could have easily bought Gossip Girl. Both of those shows are now on ITV. It surprises that the channel that could buy up big powerhouses Frasier, Cheers, Roseanne and Friends, and critically aclaimed shows like ER, Sex and The City, Sopranos and Six Feet Under, keep making the wrong choices now. Five currently have the best US shows at the moment IMO.

As for the BBC vs ITV comedy zone, I think HIGNIFY should be shown at 9.30pm because it used to be shown at 10pm when it was still on BBC2.

Originally Posted by 5 a day

Or perhaps "because of"...

Mariah Carey did a really good job and even impressed a lot of people here on DS, ones who couldn't even stand her before.

[GeorgeS]

Originally Posted by KennyT

Some might say they're at least similar (and I never said MF and TK were 'the same').

K

Yes its Robbie throwing around wild claims. Incidentally I dont think that My Family was the first ever sitcom to feature a family, so presumably MF must be plagarising their set-up as well by Robbies logic

[ZoeMcCallister]

Ouch for CH4! They obviosuly want DSM to do well, still promoting it on ITV1 last night, and it still only pulls in 1 million viewers with the first chance episodes only pulling 0.2 million viewers. There's still 7 more episodes left aswell, I never thought it would be that much of a flop! I suspect Friday Night Project is performing poorly because of the poor inheritance from DSM, because it pulled in around 1.7 million up against DSM's first episode of 2.7 million.

It's been a while since ITV1 have led a Friday evening-wth repeats and flops in the 9pm slot they must be thankful they have 2 stable shows now. I didn't think Teenage Kicks would add viewers either-so that's good news and for Benidorm to remain fairly stable is more good news and usually shows on ITV1 drop about 1 million viewers for their 2nd episodes. Al Murray also ends respectably, should be enough to grant him a 3rd series.

Next week's ratings tussle should be interesting, but why is HIGNFY back the week after, wouldn't it be better to get viewers into a routine instead of having a Dibley repeat? Also isn't 9:30pm a bit late for My Family-it will most probably beat Teenage Kicks in 2 weeks time, but not get the 7 million viewers it's used to-probably around 5 million.

I don't see why the BBC don't use this kind of schedule:

FRIDAY
9pm-HIGNFY
9:30pm-Love Soup

SUNDAY
7pm-My Family

With a schedule like that Doctor Who could move back to it's 7pm timeslot, My Family could pick up much stronger viewings with it's core family audience watching and BBC1 and ITV1 would have different comedies on at 9pm.

[Jaycee Dove]

If they made Waterloo Road an all year round weekly series they would have to rejig it as it is tied to the main school terms right now. But without focusing more on home life of staff and pupils there might be a big problem when the school is on holidays.

Hospitals and police stations do not have weeks off. Schools do. Not insurmountable but it would require changes to the currently successful format that shows 10 episodes in the main Autumn term (Sep to Dec) and 10 in the main Winter term (Jan to Mar).

[ZoeMcCallister]

I think that Waterloo Road is one of the best programmes on TV at the moment, but I feel making it go all year round would ruin the quality, and many of the current cast would not stay on. I think the 20 episode run at the moment is just right.

[NorfolkBird]

Originally Posted by ZoeMcCallister

I think that Waterloo Road is one of the best programmes on TV at the moment, but I feel making it go all year round would ruin the quality, and many of the current cast would not stay on. I think the 20 episode run at the moment is just right.

I agree, and I like the break over Christmas because it keeps the show fresh. 20 1-hour episodes in succession is alot to take even for die-hard fans.

[CPFC]

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123

Problem for ITV1 is that most of its successes come about when BBC1 has nothing much on to compete - ie, a New Tricks umpteenth showing.

People increasingly seem to watch ITV1 only when there's nothing else on... (to paraphrase GeorgeS)

well that's incorrect because a few of their flops have actually come when BBC1 haven't put up much of a competition (i.e Rock Rivals, The Palace, Moving Wallpaper).

i don't understand this glee at ITV1 doing badly? Surely it's best for the viewer that both channels have well performing programmes? or this is some sort of warped fanboy stuff that people on this board seem to revel in.

[tatotal]

I'm suprised that Channel 4 haven't stuck Desperate Housewives on at 9pm/Fridays. Ugly Betty performed well in the same slot and DH does 2.5 million or so on Wednesdays at 10pm. It would at least provide some stability.

[Cent]

Originally Posted by Superstar!

I think it serves them right, because recently they have been picking the wrong shows. Fine, I don't mind Dirty Sexy Money, but why on earth did they not consider buying comedy Pushing Daisies, which I think would be much bigger. Plus, Anna Friel is in, whose already been on one of Channel 4's previous bigger shows, Brookside. And they bought Reaper for E4 when they could have easily bought Gossip Girl. Both of those shows are now on ITV. It surprises that the channel that could buy up big powerhouses Frasier, Cheers, Roseanne and Friends, and critically aclaimed shows like ER, Sex and The City, Sopranos and Six Feet Under, keep making the wrong choices now. Five currently have the best US shows at the moment IMO.

Channel 4 had a deal with ABC Studios for their pick of 2 shows every year for 3 years.

So, they got Desperate Housewives/Lost, Ugly Betty/Brothers and Sisters then Dirty Sexy Money/Reaper.

They could only get Pushing Daisies or Gossip Girl if they paid over and above the ABC Studios deal, as both these shows are made by Warner Bros.

This deal has now ended by mutual agreement. ABC Studios didn't expect huge success from Desperate Housewives and Lost, so they think they could have charged Channel 4 a lot more both for those shows and for the ones after. Channel 4 dont want to be committed to buying 2 new US series every single year.

[Moloko]

Originally Posted by centrino04

Channel 4 had a deal with ABC Studios for their pick of 2 shows every year.

So, they got Desperate Housewives/Lost, Ugly Betty/Brothers and Sisters then Dirty Sexy Money/Reaper.

They could only get Pushing Daisies or Gossip Girl if they paid over and above the ABC Studios deal, as both these shows are made by Warner Bros.

What about Grey's? Is that produced by ABC Studios?

[Agent F]

Originally Posted by Superstar!

What about Grey's? Is that produced by ABC Studios?

It is. Its first season wasn't a full one though. I'm not sure when the rights for that were sold but I imagine it was after Channel 4 picked up DH and Lost because Living bought it quite late on.

[rzt]

Saturday 5th April Overnights
BBC1
06.00- Breakfast: 1.2m (34.0%)
09.45- Saturday Kitchen: 1.8m (26.7%)
11.15- Take on the Takeaway: 1.8m (25.1%)
11.45- BBC News; Weather: 1.8m (23.8%)
12.00- Match of the Day Live: 3.4m (31.5%)
14.30- The Grand National: 5.3m (39.9%)
17.00- BBC News: 4.8m (29.9%)
17.20- Weakest Link: 4.8m (28.9%)
18.20- Doctor Who: 8.4m (39.4%) *peak: 8.7m (40.2%) at 18:45
19.10- I’d Do Anything: 6.8m (30.3%) *peak: 7.9 (34.8%) at 20:00
20.20- The National Lottery Draws: 6.8m (30.4%)
20.30- Casualty: 7.1m (30.8%)
21.20- Love Soup: 3.5m (15.8%)
21.50- BBC News: 3.6m (16.7%)
22.10- Match of the Day: 3.7m (23.3%)
23.30- The Grand National: 1.2m (12.7%)

ITV1
11.05- London Today: 0.7m (10.5%)
11.10- F1: Bahrain Grand Prix Qualifying: 1.5m (16.0%)
14.50- Rosemary and Thyme: 0.9m ( 7.5%)
16.20- London Tonight: 0.9m ( 5.3%)
16.35- ITV News and Weather: 1.2m ( 7.6%)
16.50- Scooby Doo: 2.1m (12.6%)
18.20- You’ve Been Framed: 4.7m (22.2%)
19.20- Harry Hill’s TV Burp: 5.5m (24.8%)
19.50- Duel: 3.6m (15.7%)
20.55- ITV News: 3.6m (15.7%)
21.15- The Big Fight Live: 4.4m (21.1%)
22.30- Total Recall: 1.4m (11.3%)

BBC2
13.00- The Grand National: 0.8m ( 6.7%)
14.30- The Watcher in the Woods: 0.8m ( 7.1%)
16.30- Final Score: 1.3m ( 8.3%)
17.15- The Search for Ireland's Giant Turtles: 1.1m ( 7.2%)
17.45- Wild: 1.3m ( 7.7%)
17.55- Mosquito Squadron: 1.4m ( 6.7%)
19.25- Dad's Army: 2.3m (10.2%)
20.00- China's Terracotta Army: 1.9m ( 8.5%)
21.00- Have I Got Old News for You: 2.2m ( 9.9%)
21.30- Shipping News: 1.6m ( 8.4%)

Channel 4
16.30- Deal or No Deal: 1.5m ( 9.7%)
17.30- Location, Location, Location: 1.3m ( 7.3%)
18.30- Channel 4 News: 1.1m ( 5.3%)
19.10- Grand Designs: 1.1m ( 5.0%)
20.15- ER: 0.8m ( 3.4%)
21.15- Big Momma's House: 1.4m ( 6.9%)

Five
16.40- Chisum: 0.8m ( 4.7%)
18.40- The Return of the Magnificent Seven: 0.9m ( 4.2%)
20.20- NCIS: 1.5m ( 6.4%)
21.20- CSI: NY: 2.4m (11.4%)
22.20- Law and Order: 1.5m ( 9.1%)
23.20- Crimes that Shook the World: 0.8m ( 7.6%)
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Superb rating for Doctor Who- the highest series opener since series 1! Even better considering that it was in an early timeslot.

[Poplar]

I really think the Friday night battle of the comedies we have coming is a mistake. My Family can get 7 million, Benidorm 6 million and Have I Got News For You 5 million with Teenage Kicks around 4 million - so why are BBC ONE/ITV1 scheduling against each other and reducing the comedy audience? Why is there some kind of unwritten rule that comedy can only be shown on Fridays. My Family is clearly going to be knocked by being up against Benidorm. If it was me, I would put Doctor Who back in the 7.00pm timeslot with My Family running straight after it, thus building a family audience that the BBC does very well with. Have I Got News For You would probably have to stay on a Friday night at 9.30pm or so I guess, but they could always wait until Love Soup had finished and put it on a Saturday night. I swear the schedulers are wrong so often and dent the potential audiences programmes could get in the right slot.

[KennyT]

Originally Posted by rzt

Saturday 5th April Overnights...

In early today? Thanks.

K

[Thebenster]

Thanks rzt, are there any peaks for Grand National?

[CoolboyA]

So DW got 8.4M despite its earlier starting time.

How does this compare to earlier years?