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Old 08-01-2007, 14:02
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Well it's the time of year where the 2 rival darts World Championships are being played.

At the very start of the year there was the thrilling PDC Final between Taylor & Barneveld. The other outstanding match in that tournament was the Lloyd & Barneveld match.
Some of the others were poor in comparison - but competitive in themselves. Both Taylor & Barneveld in general run rampant over nearly all of their opposition to get o the Final.

Now the BDO is underway and although it will get bigger audience figures on BBC2 than Sky Sports' PDC event - it still has a lot to live up to.

from a marketing & aethestic point of view Sky's all singing all dancing coverage is miles better than the BDO/BBC offering. The new longer walk-ons are drab when compared to the PDC. The PDC had the 2 women models to accompany the players and the entrance through spectators gives it something that the BDO version doesn't.
Each player in the PDC seems to have their own entrance music (sometimes to match their nicknames), the BDO seems to be playing several 90s dance tunes over and over again for players entrances.

The general atmoshpere at The Lakeside seems far more subdued than The Circus Tavern. Maybe this is bacause of the seating arrangements?

The commentary & TV coverage is very different. Sky is more in your face than the BBC. Whilst Sid Widdel gets on my nerves at times - especially with his OTT lauding of Phil "The Powaa" Taylor, the Sky coverage IMO is better in general - barring the ad breaks.


The other main point to bring up is the quality of the play between the 2 rival organisations. Now I'm not really a darts player. My dad used to play in local leagues and at county level. He has several dozen plastic, brass, silver and gold plated trophies stashed away in the attic. As a child I remember them being all around the house. In fact there were so manym, at one point they might have been used as paper weights and doorstops. So I asked him recently about the quality between the PDC & BDO.

His reply was that the PDC is slightly better than the BDO - with Taylor & now Barneveld miles ahead of the rest. He said watch them both and you'll see that the BDO is not far behind.

From what I can see online there doesn't seem to be much mixing betwwen the 2 sets of players. The International Darts League is probably the only one I can find where both groups of players participate. Last years semi-final had 3 PDC players involved.

So please let's keep this thread to discussing the finer points between the PDC & BDO and not one about whether or nor darts is a game or a sport etc etc.
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Old 08-01-2007, 14:17
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Presentation : PDC
Money: PDC
Standard of play...take out Phil...then the BDO averages overall higher
For a gambler: BDO
Entertainment: the same as... BDO is less predictable but hard to match (the recently BDO departed) Barney v Taylor game
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Old 08-01-2007, 15:04
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As an event and occassion the PDC. I get tickets every year to the PDC event at Blackpool ( their second biggest event ) but never go to the one at Bridlington which is almost on my doorstep. The reason being the atmosphere is electric and it's a real event. The singing, the entrances, the crowd chanting, you feel a total part of it. Where as you just have to watch the BDo to notice how quiet it seems in comparison.

As for the better players, again I will plump for the PDC. I know you can use arguments about averages but if you look hard enough anybody can pick and choose what averages they want to post to show up their favourite. I dont go in for any of this rubbish about, well if you take out Taylor and Barneveld....well sorry you can't, they are in it. So no taking out, they help make the PDC what it is. The thrill of either seeing Taylor getting beaten or playing amazing darts makes it my number 1.
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Old 08-01-2007, 15:07
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Originally Posted by threecheeses
Presentation : PDC
Money: PDC
Standard of play...take out Phil...then the BDO averages overall higher
For a gambler: BDO
Entertainment: the same as... BDO is less predictable but hard to match (the recently BDO departed) Barney v Taylor game
From what I can gather there was an article in the Times about Darts and they listed the averages without the number one ranked player in each organisation, the PDC came out on top

Not wishing to start an argument here but to me the BDO is the old guard, desperately clinging on to days gone by and muttering under their breaths that no-one likes Barry Hearn
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Old 08-01-2007, 15:13
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For me there is no thrill in seeing Phil Taylor win. It is like watching Michael Schumacher. Boring and predictable.

I don't watch much of either to be honest, but I'd be weary of believing one to be far better than the other on the basis of that being what Sky tell us.

The PDC is all singing all dancing, but without Barneveld, Taylor, the singing and the dancing I'm not sure there is much between their better paid crop of players and the BDO.
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Old 08-01-2007, 15:19
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The PDC has two models to take the players on? So what! LOL, I thought it was about the game, silly me. But then I am not a bloke so that's not going to be a deciding factor for me.

The BDO players do have their own music when they come onto the stage.

Honestly, I can't compare the two because I don't have Sky Sports and have never seen a PDC game in my life. Perhaps people would do well to remember that - not everyone has access to Sky Sports, it's shocking but true. I would like to see the matches, don't get me wrong but unless they transfer to tinker tv, I won't, simple as that.

Anyway, any championship I can watch without listening to Sid Waddell would swing it for me. "They'll be dancing and singing and a-highland flinging in the streets of Kirkcaldy tonight!!!"

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Old 08-01-2007, 18:22
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Well like the master of cerimonies says at pdc events, Welcome to the premiership of world darts.

He's spot on, it's just like the premiership. 4 or 5 real top players with the rest just being good pro's. The only diffrence is that when the PDC broke away taking most of the top Pro's with em' and that the BDO don't wanna have any sort of relationship with.

It's no supprise the averages can be lower especialy with more big well known players, more money, more competion all equals more pressure. Barney wanted a challenge and went to play with the big boys and neraly got knocked out by the PDC No1.

Martin Adams just couln't cut it when he gave it a shot.
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Old 08-01-2007, 18:50
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No contest, PDC.
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Old 08-01-2007, 19:00
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At least when watching the PDC Sky don't leave a match in the final set to show a A Very English County. Dear me.
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Old 08-01-2007, 19:01
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I have been watching darts for about 12 years and always watched "the one on BBC2" it was great got me into darts. Then we got Sky put in at our house and found Sky's version and for me it was always better to watch. The PDC is cleary the one I prefare, the atmosphere and quality for me is better than the BDO.
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Old 08-01-2007, 19:07
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Its funny, but at work, no one knows who Phil Taylor is!

They've all heard of Barney, Klassen, Fordham, Hankey and some have even heard of Van Gerwen. However, because the PDC is exclusively on SKY and Darts is not the most popular sport in the World, those who play in the PDC are really playing to a tiny audience and to the casual darts fan are largely anonymous.

Personally, i think Darts is too small a sport to have 2 divisions and have one exclusively on Sky Sports. Does the PDC make a profit?

If Taylor v Barney was on BBC, it would have been remembered as one of the greatest sporting fixtures ever and would most probably have got huge ratings. As it stands, hardly anyone i know even knew it took place.

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Old 08-01-2007, 20:23
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Originally Posted by Sirius
For me there is no thrill in seeing Phil Taylor win. It is like watching Michael Schumacher. Boring and predictable.

I don't watch much of either to be honest, but I'd be weary of believing one to be far better than the other on the basis of that being what Sky tell us.

The PDC is all singing all dancing, but without Barneveld, Taylor, the singing and the dancing I'm not sure there is much between their better paid crop of players and the BDO.

Despite popular belief by closet BDO fans, Taylor has not been the only man in contention for years at the PDC.

He has been beaten a number of times, or ran close at the PDC.

Priestley, Part and Barney have all beaten Taylor at Pufleet. And Painter ran him to the deciding set in another Purfleet final. Even Dudbridge took 4 sets off Taylor in the fimal 2 years ago.

Also in semi finals, Taylor was run close by Bristow one year 5-4 sets, and Mardle in last year's semi final took Taylor to 6-5 in sets. In another semi final another year, didn't Lowe and Taylor have a sequence throughout the entire match of both players winning legs in 15 darts or less.

What about Callaby and Painter beating Taylor at World Grand Prix. And various other defeats or close run things for Taylor at world Matchplay at Blackpool, also Vegas Desert Classic and UK Open by Part, Barney, Baxter, Priestley etc.

So it hasn't all been one way traffic of a Taylor whitewash of the opposition all the time.

The "He always wins!" brigade don't understand what a collusus Taylor is in the world of darts. Or should i say never prepared to give him any credt. And he doesn't always win as i've already mentioned.

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Old 09-01-2007, 09:40
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I've seen enough of the PDC to know how good he is, and I know how few times he has lost at the World Championships over the years. I didn't say Taylor wasn't good, I said watching him win (again and again) wasn't interesting.

Sure, once you increase the number of tournaments played during a year you find he loses more. But that doesn't make watching him win any more interesting.

No-one, other than Barney, looked like beating him at Purfleet. Sure, PDC fans can talk up the rare times he has lost but never has anyone (except perhaps John Part) provided strong competition over a few years in recent times.

Anyone can take isolated matches and statistics to skew the argument one way or the other. Martin Adams said on the BBC website that Ted Hankey hit 22 180s (more than Barneveld this year) in the 2000 final - which lasted just 6 sets in 46 minutes. That doesn't make the BDO brilliant, just as Taylor winning a sometimes by a single set (in what, over a decade?) doesn't yet have me singing the praises of the competition.

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Old 09-01-2007, 10:42
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PDC by a mile........
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Old 09-01-2007, 11:06
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I prefer the PDC. I don't know why but I can't get into watching the BDO on BBC. Im not sure if the quality's different or what but theres something that just makes me get bored very quickly.

Anyway Im not the biggest darts fan but I don't get why theres a need for two different leagues. Why not put them both into the same thing. it would be a better competition.
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Old 09-01-2007, 15:02
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I use to be an avid fan of the BDO but it is the PDC now by a country mile.

The dart players are too inconsistent in the BDO. Yesterday can't remember who it was hit a great 167 checkout and then missed 9 darts at the doubles in next leg.
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Old 09-01-2007, 17:01
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The three dart average for the last 32 round in the PDC was 88.86.

The three dart average for the last 32 round in the BDO was 88.50.

Not quite a like for like comparison as its best of 7 sets in the PDC compared to best of 5 in the BDO, plus you are comparing 15 matches to 16 as Fordham withdrew. Then there is the commercial break argument.

Nonetheless, it's still closer than a lot of people who denounce the BDO as a joke tournament would have you believe........
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Old 09-01-2007, 17:29
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I have this argument with my girlfriend every year. She grew up not having Sky, and I did. She reckons the BDO is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but until we get Sky next year, I can't prove her wrong!
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Old 09-01-2007, 19:02
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I have said it before and I will say it again. BBC2 right now is showing why the PDC is better. They have cut the game and the show with Adams needing one leg for victory.......you have to press the red button or come back at, wait for it....midnight. Sky show comprehensive coverage which the BBC cannot comply with.

The irony is that the game finished within 2 mins of BBC 2 going off to that programme about quaint village life in middle England.
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Old 09-01-2007, 20:56
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Originally Posted by Darren Lethem
I have said it before and I will say it again. BBC2 right now is showing why the PDC is better. They have cut the game and the show with Adams needing one leg for victory.......you have to press the red button or come back at, wait for it....midnight. Sky show comprehensive coverage which the BBC cannot comply with.

The irony is that the game finished within 2 mins of BBC 2 going off to that programme about quaint village life in middle England.
Surely, by going interactive (as a Sky Sports viewer you must have interactive) the BBC are providing comprehensive coverage (from your sofa anyway)?

BBC interactive services are in far more homes than Sky Sports.
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Old 09-01-2007, 21:20
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Originally Posted by Sirius
Surely, by going interactive (as a Sky Sports viewer you must have interactive) the BBC are providing comprehensive coverage (from your sofa anyway)?

BBC interactive services are in far more homes than Sky Sports.
Thats not the point. The point is, they are making a commitment to showing it live and cannot even manage one game a day live. The darts is on for the best part of 4 hours each afternoon and its previous night highlights.
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Old 09-01-2007, 21:28
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They are making a commitment, just not on BBC2. BBCi services are probably in 70% of the homes in the country. A significant portion of those that don't probably could quite easily through freeview or freesat services.

Sky have more channels and don't have the same regulatory restrictions or public service commitments that the BBC have with BBC2.

That doesn't make the PDC better than the BDO.
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Old 09-01-2007, 21:50
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Originally Posted by Sirius
They are making a commitment, just not on BBC2. BBCi services are probably in 70% of the homes in the country. A significant portion of those that don't probably could quite easily through freeview or freesat services.

Sky have more channels and don't have the same regulatory restrictions or public service commitments that the BBC have with BBC2.

That doesn't make the PDC better than the BDO.
No, but it makes the PDC look more organised and better equipped to cope with any eventuality.

Do you honestly think its good of the BBC to show not one single live full game out of the 7 in the past two days on BBC2 ? They showed nearly 7 hours of coverage each day on BBC2 and not one whole game was shown live. If you think that is fine then fair enough. I think it is poor and I think it helps play straight into the hands of the PDC and Sky who can say, look we care about showing live darts
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Old 09-01-2007, 22:01
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Well ive been a PDC fan for years now and thought the BDO was a very poor second to it but now im not so sure.
I mean, does the PDC have a song this good?

http://www.lakesideworlddarts.co.uk/...th=1024&ht=619

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Old 09-01-2007, 22:01
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No, but it makes the PDC look more organised and better equipped to cope with any eventuality.

Do you honestly think its good of the BBC to show not one single live full game out of the 7 in the past two days on BBC2 ? They showed nearly 7 hours of coverage each day on BBC2 and not one whole game was shown live. If you think that is fine then fair enough. I think it is poor and I think it helps play straight into the hands of the PDC and Sky who can say, look we care about showing live darts
Yes I do think it is acceptable. It isn't just darts, but snooker, tennis and other sports on the BBC are subject to be moved onto interactive channels.

The BBC do show live darts, just not on BBC2. All digital households can watch live darts. Given the BBC have a role in promoting digital switchover it is quite right they don't bend over backwards for analogue viewers stuck in the 1990s.

I don't see how it plays into the hands of the PDC. Anyone who can't be bothered getting free to air digital for BBC interactive is highly unlikely to get Sky Sports in a hurry.

I do think organisationally the PDC are better than the BDO at gaining more exposure for the sport. But being on BBCi is the least of the BDOs worries to that extent. Getting more tournaments televised, probably on a channel like ITV4 for sponsorship reasons, really should be what the BDO are aiming for.
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