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Old 10-01-2007, 01:01
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Originally Posted by nafanny29
It would be a tad pricey if it was DRM free but as it comes gift wrapped in DRM it is extortionate IMHO.
why? this DRM thing i9s overplayed i think.

if you buy a track off ITMS you can have it on up to five (might even be seven) devices at any one time.

i use my iPod, and my laptop. which for most people would be enough. but if not you have at least three more devices.

and you can burn any playlist up to five times.

not any track, but any playlist - effectively meaning you can burn any track limitless times.

so what exactly does this DRM stop the average user doing that they might practically want or need to do?

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Old 10-01-2007, 01:28
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Originally Posted by timmillwood
WHAT?

O2 doesnt brand anything? have u seen any of their XDAs?

The software is totally o2 customised
Sorry, my mistake on that one - look at all the other phones they sell tho like Sony Ericsson etc - no branding except maybe a wallpaper you can delete. Now compare this with Orange (ugly Orange menus) or Vodafone (even uglier red menus). Apple won't let them near the UI lol.
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:34
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Orange is the only network here with EDGE I believe (and not even sure how widespread it is). So it will either be them, or Apple have to get 3G sorted before it can be released here. I don't think GPRS would provide enough speed to really make the most of the features.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:16
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Just watched Steve Job's keynote speech at Macworld. Wow!

This phone/iPOD blows the competition out the water big time.
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:54
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http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/macworld2...one-227486.php - 360 degree view of the iphone

video footage of the iphone - http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/macworld2...vie-227494.php

specs & official press release - http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/macworld2...ase-227530.php

lot more pics and video here: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone

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Old 10-01-2007, 08:08
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I'd like more capacity too, but I rekon by Christmas an new model will be out anyway.

I guess the flash drive is probably much larger, but is taken up by the OS.

It's funny, before I just wanted an iPod that was a phone too, now I've seen it, I'm thinking, 'Sod the music, I want everything else'.

I love the Google Maps bit, and the Safari web browsing, plus Mail, great for travelling.

Glad it's got a 'proper' QWERTY keyboard too.

PS: The radio said it's expected to be £250 in the UK.
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:52
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Based on prices for other Apple products in the UK, I would expect it to be £349-£379. Unfortunately stuff costs more here, the dollar price can't just be converted using the current exchange rate. Still, if you consider that it's an iPod Nano in capacity but with far more advanced functionality - plus it plays videos, has a bigger screen than a regular iPod, has a phone and has other pretty spiffy looking computing functionality - it's pretty darn good value.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:20
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Originally Posted by moisie
Based on prices for other Apple products in the UK, I would expect it to be £349-£379. Unfortunately stuff costs more here, the dollar price can't just be converted using the current exchange rate. Still, if you consider that it's an iPod Nano in capacity but with far more advanced functionality - plus it plays videos, has a bigger screen than a regular iPod, has a phone and has other pretty spiffy looking computing functionality - it's pretty darn good value.
I really think it's dificult to guess at UK prices, since in the states its that price on a 2y contract to a specific network. So it could make it here as an exclusive to one of the networks, or else it could be released as a standalone for more. It remains to be seen what the European situation will be.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:37
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Originally Posted by gregrichards
To be honest I do think that its ludicrous to have thousands of songs with you because I think we should be grateful for the technology. Imagine having to carry 5,000 cd singles around with you all day just in case you wanted to listen to one of them. Its that capacity for a reason a) so that the ipod market isnt damaged and b) because large memory isnt small enough for the design.

It would be ludicrous to carry around hundreds or thousands of discs, sure.

It's NOT ludicrous to carry around the same amount of music in something the size of a cigarette case. in fact, the whole reason that HDD MP3 players are so great and have caught on is the fact that you can have all your music with you at all times.


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Old 10-01-2007, 12:21
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Originally Posted by Hampton Wick
It would be ludicrous to carry around hundreds or thousands of discs, sure.

It's NOT ludicrous to carry around the same amount of music in something the size of a cigarette case. in fact, the whole reason that HDD MP3 players are so great and have caught on is the fact that you can have all your music with you at all times.
Indeed, right now I have my entire music collection with me.

And several other people's..!
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Old 10-01-2007, 15:05
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Originally Posted by moisie
Based on prices for other Apple products in the UK, I would expect it to be £349-£379. Unfortunately stuff costs more here, the dollar price can't just be converted using the current exchange rate. Still, if you consider that it's an iPod Nano in capacity but with far more advanced functionality - plus it plays videos, has a bigger screen than a regular iPod, has a phone and has other pretty spiffy looking computing functionality - it's pretty darn good value.
Yes, Apple TV retails in US for $299 (£154), yet we get charged £199

Plus, they are selling Apple TV in the UK, but dont even sell TV Shows or movies through iTunes yet!
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Old 10-01-2007, 15:22
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Originally Posted by nebsta
Yes, Apple TV retails in US for $299 (£154), yet we get charged £199
don't forget to add on sales tax, which makes it £170.

then factor in the average salary in the US - around $40k, as opposed to around $52k here....

basically it's not the case that the price is the same and all other things are equal - they're not.

either way, Apple don't seem to bad - maybe things have improved generally, but it used to be the case that if something cost $299 in the US it would cost £299 here.

Plus, they are selling Apple TV in the UK, but dont even sell TV Shows or movies through iTunes yet!
but you can still play your music through your main hi-fi, using a front row style UI on your tv, as well as watch slideshows on your tv without connecting your computer or ipod to your tv, and sitting with it.

besides which, with any luck you soon will be able to.

hopefully they'll put BBC stuff on it, so that stuff from the BBC's IMP player can be viewed on a tv.

not sure what the scoop is with 4OD - most of it is pay per episode online, but there's a lot of stuff that's available on demand through telewest which is free, and without ads.

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Old 10-01-2007, 15:46
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a lot of people already carry around an ipod & a mobile phone - so it will make no difference to them if they can't get their entire music collection on the iphone - I for one like my 80gb ipod but still have a phone & the iphone seems a lot better than my P990i
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Old 10-01-2007, 16:24
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^^^ Very true.

It won't replace my A2 as I want a full on PMP.

But, I use my phone as backup MP3 player when I don't want to take the A2 with me (usually if I know it's going to be heavy night in the pub). As a backup MP3 player/phone, looks like it'd be splendid.

Mind you, I use a PAYG mobile so it'll probably be waaaaaaaay out of my price range for a long time yet .....
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Old 10-01-2007, 18:51
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I think it would be beneficial to say this. The iPhone prices are for the American market.

In America, you have to buy the phone, and then pay for the contract on top of that.

In this country nearly all mobiles come subsidised, then you pay the contract prices, I can see the iPhone being almost free or for about £50. As this is how British networks work.

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Old 10-01-2007, 19:42
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The British mobile phone market is much more advanced than the American one in a variety of respects. It is the most competitive market in the world, moreso than Japan though Japan is way ahead on hardware but USA has caught up a lot in last 18 months.

Network stranglehold means iPhone will have to come via network contract deals.
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Old 10-01-2007, 20:57
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Apple will select a pan european provider, who has rewritten some of there network software to deal with the new features of iPhone.

I think is far to early for us in europe to care about iPhone.

iPhone in europe wont support EDGE (its crap) it will at a minimum support 3G and will probably do HDSA.

Buts its almost a year away
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Old 10-01-2007, 22:45
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Originally Posted by Dunedin
Apple will select a pan european provider, who has rewritten some of there network software to deal with the new features of iPhone.

I think is far to early for us in europe to care about iPhone.

iPhone in europe wont support EDGE (its crap) it will at a minimum support 3G and will probably do HDSA.

Buts its almost a year away
How? It's scheduled to be done by Quarter 4 of this year.

I don't see it supporting 3G, I'd imagine that at best Apple would swap the EDGE for GPRS.
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Old 10-01-2007, 23:10
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It says Quarter 4 of this year. But Apple always work hard to get products out A.S.A.P , I basically think that as soon as they get deal with a phone network (PLEASE O2 1 Year Contract!!!) It will be released.
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Old 10-01-2007, 23:24
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After comparing the new Apple iphone and the upcoming LG ke850 which was announced last month, I can't help wondering who was copying who in terms of design.

LG ke850
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphone...ace-222110.php

iphone
http://www.engadget.com/photos/macwo...allery/131042/
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Old 10-01-2007, 23:38
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Apple's touchscreen patents were released a very long time ago.

The Apples touchscreen has been no secret....but it is the only company to use multitouch.
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Old 10-01-2007, 23:50
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Originally Posted by Hampton Wick
It would be ludicrous to carry around hundreds or thousands of discs, sure.

It's NOT ludicrous to carry around the same amount of music in something the size of a cigarette case. in fact, the whole reason that HDD MP3 players are so great and have caught on is the fact that you can have all your music with you at all times.


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Thank you for stating the obvious.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:06
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Originally Posted by orinjskwosh
After comparing the new Apple iphone and the upcoming LG ke850 which was announced last month, I can't help wondering who was copying who in terms of design.

LG ke850
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphone...ace-222110.php

iphone
http://www.engadget.com/photos/macwo...allery/131042/
Wow, two vaguely rectangular devices with rectangular screens. There's no way two companies could come up with something so similar independently of each other.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:57
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going back to the network issue...

if it is released only by orange/o2/t-mobile, who-ever, how long will it be before it's sim free?

why do they have to make it network specific anyway, why can't they just "sell" it
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Old 11-01-2007, 17:00
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Originally Posted by thumps36
why do they have to make it network specific anyway, why can't they just "sell" it
The phone requires technology on the network side for some features like the brilliant list of voice mails that play direct from phone without having to calling a number then pressing lots of buttons.

In theory if all telephone providers provided these services then there is no technical reason that the iPhone cannot be non network specific.
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