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Noiseboy
09-01-2007
Not posted on the phone forum before, and so may be missing something obvious here! Just wondered on thoughts on the iPhone (great demo on Apple's site. If it delivers what it promises, it should be fantastic. My only quibble - no card slot, it seems, and 8GB won't be nearly enough!
gregrichards
09-01-2007
I think the 8gb cap was done deliberately so people kept buying future 100gb ipods. If the iphone was say 80gb well off people would just buy it instead of the ipod. This way they get them to buy two products if they want.

I personally dont understand why people need to have every single song they have with them at all times. I usually listen to 20 songs max in a day.
jonbwfc
09-01-2007
if it had 80GB it'd cost about three grand. It's 4/8GB because that's the biggest flash memory disk you can currently get at a reasonable price. It's no coincidence those are the sizes of the current iPod Nanos because they use the same storage. If you put an actual hard drive in it (like a video iPod) it would be twice as thick and have an 8 hour total battery life.

As to memory slots, if you look at the image on this page here it does appear to have some sort of slot on the side. Dunno what for though.

Jon
organiclive
10-01-2007
I cant wait for this phone to be launched in the uk in quater three this year. im waiting to upgrade my phone when my current contract runs outs in May this year.

Which ever network gets this phone first im moving to them straight away. Ive been having a look on the apple website and it looks really impressive.
Parker
10-01-2007
The biggest problem I see with it is the cost. Even with a 2 year contract in the USA it's going to be $500-600. A further problem is the phone would have to be re-developed for the UK market since EDGE is only used by Orange. They really need to get the 3G technology (or even GPRS at a minimum) in there for many other networks to want it because without that there is no Internet and Email access which is one of the main selling points.

Plus by the end of the year a 2MP pixel camera will be laughed at. My last phone, a 13 month old Nokia, has a 2MP camera, the current one is 3.2MP.

I do however love the look of the touch screen and the ability to have it as a widescreen video player. Although is there really that much video/movie content on the UK iTunes yet?
Dark 1
10-01-2007
Originally Posted by Parker:
“I do however love the look of the touch screen and the ability to have it as a widescreen video player. Although is there really that much video/movie content on the UK iTunes yet?”

1. It's not actually widescreen. It's still standard 4:3. Kinda like the Zune is often touted as widescreen, when it too isn't in reality.

2. It synchs videos stored on your iTunes library, but nobody says these videos have to have been purchased from ITMS. No more than all your MP3s have to have been.
Parker
10-01-2007
http://www.apple.com/iphone/ipod/

Looks pretty widescreen to me, and they do say "widescreen" 4 times just on that page...
Pingu
10-01-2007
It's 'almost' widescreen. In landscape mode, it has a 480x320px display.

I whipped up a little aspect ratio comparison here.
Noiseboy
10-01-2007
Originally Posted by jonbwfc:
“As to memory slots, if you look at the image on this page here it does appear to have some sort of slot on the side. Dunno what for though.”

Me neither! I'd have thought if it had a card slot though, they'd mention it in the tech specs.

Also agree with the poster re 3G. Don't know anything about Edge - does this eat battery life like 3G though? If it doesn't, maybe apple will ignore it.
neo6776
10-01-2007
It looks nice enough but give it about a week after getting it and it'll all be scratched to shit without a decent cover..

Plus it'll gobble battery life like godknows what lol

That to me is the only drawbacks.

Other than that its not bad.
Last edited by neo6776 : 10-01-2007 at 11:48
hobbes79
10-01-2007
Originally Posted by Parker:
“The biggest problem I see with it is the cost. Even with a 2 year contract in the USA it's going to be $500-600.”

Agreed, when people walk into the carphone wherehouse and see a Sony Ericsson Walkman for free (or 20 quid, or whatever) and this for about £300 even after a subsidy, I think many are going to be hard pushed to bother. And we can't forget that the IPod has managed a huge market penetration... I can't see many being convinced they should have this AS WELL AS an IPod. And if you haven't been convinced by the IPod already, I doubt a massive price tag and a 2 year contract is going to be the ice breaker.

And without 3G, operators are unlikely to offer much subsidy at all. How much money do operators get when people use WiFi to download music? Nothing. So not much point to subsidise it.

I'm a little confused by the whole thing. The latest Motorola phones support a microSD card up to 2GB... about 650 songs.

Want a phone right now in the UK with 8GB of music storage? Here you go:

http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N918GB
Mr Cable
10-01-2007
I am seriously unimpressed by the iphone.

By the time it reaches the UK, it will be seriously under-specced (2 Megapixel Camera? Downloading Videos over a 2G connection?). Frankly, I can't see any of the other UK networks bothering to turn EDGE on if only for this handset; they spent WAY too much on their 3G franchises to just usurp 'em.

Then again, it still will sell by the bucketload. You could stick an Apple logo on a turd and it'll be product of the year for some people.

Apple makes some excellent products. However, IMHO, this is definatly not one of them.
Last edited by Mr Cable : 10-01-2007 at 12:49
Finglonga
10-01-2007
Its out of date before it is even released, but people will buy it as they fall for the hype......I wont be one of them i'm afraid.
organiclive
10-01-2007
I personally cant wait for the phone to be relased in the uk, it seems so much better than every other mobile device out there. Its kind of a pda, come mobile, come mp3 player.
hobbes79
10-01-2007
Originally Posted by organiclive:
“it seems so much better than every other mobile device out there. Its kind of a pda, come mobile, come mp3 player.”

Like the Nokia E61:

http://www.nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,82900,00.html

Sorry, I just don't see anything all that revolutionary here. Though the design is pretty slick.
organiclive
10-01-2007
Just looking now. i stopped using nokia phones years ago in favour for samsung.

now the nokia phone is okay but its ugly i dont like the design its not touch screen and it doesnt look as good theres now wow factor in this phone nor revolutionary anything. (just my own humble opinion)

my samsung e900 is a nice phone but i will defo switch to apple when it comes available. Its a phone thats more than a phone larger storage better design wow factor and features.
Last edited by organiclive : 10-01-2007 at 13:32
hobbes79
10-01-2007
Phones that play MP3s is nothing new. You can get Motorola phones with I-Tunes now. The I-Pod was successful partly because it did ONE thing VERY well. Products that can be considered a swiss army knife of electronics, tend to suffer. I remember seeing a presentation about the fact that the latest feature packed (games, camera, etc) Nokia phone was more expensive than buying a half decent digital camera, Playstation 2 and a PHONE (though with less features of course)!

This I-Phone is probably going to be around £300 (even after a subsidy). For £150, you can get an 8GB I-Pod Nano and a FREE Sony-Ericcson with another 1GB of memory (9GB total) if you sign up for a 18 month contract.

http://shop.carphonewarehouse.com/pa...ge/dolphin-35/

If you really have £300 burning a whole in your pocket, you could get the free phone and 2 I-Pod Nanos... 16GB of music

I'm not saying these won't sell (and very well) but I'd be surprised if they will have the huge impact hit many are predicting. I wouldn't expect them to even get close to I-Pod sales. I certainly wouldn't be willing to pay another £150 for the benefit of a touch screen, though that's just another humble opinion.
Last edited by hobbes79 : 10-01-2007 at 14:08
welwynrose
10-01-2007
I must admit I will take a closer look at the new iphone when it is released - I would be that worried about using it for music as I already have an ipod but for all the other functions that it does - I'll be due to replace my P990i by the time it's released as well
organiclive
10-01-2007
i most likely wont use the phone for music or not that much anyway as i currently have an ipod video of which i am very fond of.
iain
10-01-2007
Originally Posted by Parker:
“A further problem is the phone would have to be re-developed for the UK market since EDGE is only used by Orange. They really need to get the 3G technology (or even GPRS at a minimum) in there for many other networks to want it because without that there is no Internet and Email access which is one of the main selling points.

Although is there really that much video/movie content on the UK iTunes yet?”

presumably these are two very good reasons it isn't launching here until the end of the year?

Iain
iain
10-01-2007
Originally Posted by hobbes79:
“Like the Nokia E61:

http://www.nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,82900,00.html

Sorry, I just don't see anything all that revolutionary here. Though the design is pretty slick.”

so apart from the slick design, the gorgeous interface, and the ease of use it's nothing new?

Iain
prking
10-01-2007
Originally Posted by organiclive:
“Just looking now. i stopped using nokia phones years ago in favour for samsung.

now the nokia phone is okay but its ugly i dont like the design its not touch screen and it doesnt look as good theres now wow factor in this phone nor revolutionary anything. (just my own humble opinion)

my samsung e900 is a nice phone but i will defo switch to apple when it comes available. Its a phone thats more than a phone larger storage better design wow factor and features.”

Given that design is subjective. I'm interested to know what you think gives it a better wow factor and better features than other similar phones on the market.
hobbes79
10-01-2007
Originally Posted by iain:
“so apart from the slick design, the gorgeous interface, and the ease of use it's nothing new?

Iain”

I was responding to organiclive's comment that "Its kind of a pda, come mobile, come mp3 player." I was just saying, products out there do this already.

And I did indeed concede "though the design is pretty slick", which you then reworded to say that is has a "slick design"

And may I be so bold as to ask, how do you know the unit has ease of use? I'm assuming you are basing that assumption on I-Pods, which only have to carry out one purpose.

Unless you have used an I-Phone prior to release, in which case I look like a fool
Last edited by hobbes79 : 10-01-2007 at 15:10
Mr Cable
10-01-2007
I've just read on The Register that they can't even do MMS. Anyone know if this is correct or not?

Unless there's a 3G version coming, where I'm free to choose my network plus take a less than TWO YEAR CONTRACT to a presently unknown tariff and fork out $600 up front; I SO wont be bothering.
Last edited by Mr Cable : 10-01-2007 at 17:31
Pingu
10-01-2007
I don't think a UK price can be gleamed from Cingular's offerings.

The iPhone costs $499 on Cingular, and the Cingular 8525 (a rebranded HTC Hermes) costs $449, both on 2-Year contracts.
I just paid £129 for a T-Mobile MDA Vario II (also a rebanded Hermes) on a £25/month 1-Year contract.

I think Apple are going to have to revise the device for its European launch. 3G and MMS are big over here, and generate a lot of income for operators. They're not going to want to lose that, and Apple won't want to lose the market share of customers who want those features.

Originally Posted by hobbes79:
“And may I be so bold as to ask, how do you know the unit has ease of use? I'm assuming you are basing that assumption on I-Pods, which only have to carry out one purpose.”

From the website, with numerous feature demonstrations, and from the keynote video yesterday where it was demonstrated?
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