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just like the n73 and n80. lol infact the only n series left on orange is the n70 i believe!!! but thats apparantly due to oranges crap software rather than the phones.
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Originally Posted by belfast-biker
Hobbes, you were comparing the reliabilty of a hard drive based ipod to this, essentially a really souped up mobile phone / Pocket PC-a-like.
That's disingenuous. I expect this to be comparable in reliability, resilience and battery life to a typical Pocket PC, not a mobile phone, and should be treated as such, especially considering the huge vulnerable screen. If you want to stick a Nokia 5140 in yer pocket instead, that's fine. But let's not start saying the iPhone's unreliable before it's released, yes? You bring up an interesting point that Pocket PCs should be expected to have less resilience. But wouldn't you use it MORE than a phone? So shouldn't it be designed to a HIGHER standard than a phone, since you're MORE likely to drop it, spill a drink on it, etc? Issues and questions that come up everyday Having a large screen is no excuse for poor reliability... the general public shouldn't be forgiving and sympathetic mechancial engineers, though it would be nice if they were!And I have not ONCE said it's going to be unreliable. I just said I'm interested. If you can find any point I have suggested otherwise, please point it out to me and I will aplogise accordingly. Last edited by hobbes79 : 14-01-2007 at 21:58. |
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Is it the hard drive that is contributing to the N91's unreliablilty, or just bad software?
Ddin't Orange drop this device coz it was an unreliable POS? It's an interesting device on paper, and I like the UI on the cheap Nokia's at least....
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And I have not ONCE said it's going to be unreliable. I just said I'm interested. If you can find any point I have suggested otherwise, please point it out to me and I will aplogise accordingly.
When you said:- "Apple have various other issues to contend with. The I-Pods are known to not be very resilient to impacts. For an MP3 player, it's a minor irritation when it stops working. When it's your phone, that's downright intolerable!" ...you really are implying that unreliability is something that they'll probably have to deal with. You're not saying it outright, but you're being very politician-like in your inference. Last edited by belfast-biker : 14-01-2007 at 22:03. |
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Originally Posted by belfast-biker
When you said:-
"Apple have various other issues to contend with. The I-Pods are known to not be very resilient to impacts. For an MP3 player, it's a minor irritation when it stops working. When it's your phone, that's downright intolerable!" ...you really are implying that unreliability is something that they'll probably have to deal with. You're not saying it outright, but you're being very politician-like in your inference. Every product in the history of mankind will find "unreliability is something they'll probably have to deal with". It's the level of unreliability that's considered tolerable that's the issue. What's an ok level of unreliability for an MP3 player is different to that of a phone. If bringing that reality to your attention and stating that I will find how that's dealt with interesting, is somehow objectionable to you, I apologise. |
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Originally Posted by hobbes79
Ouch
Clearly I am a little biased, but the later ones are actually a vast improvement over earlier efforts. I had a similar opinion after jumping from numerous Nokias, but products like the recent KRZR have brought me round. The predictive text on Motos is superb compared to other products IMHO. And 55million people certainly saw something they liked in a "shoddy excuse for a phone" ![]() |
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Originally Posted by gregrichards
Just because a phone is fashionable doesnt make it very good. I am really impressed with my LG Chocolate but it will be going on ebay or recycled for charity the minute the iphone appears on these shores.
And you don't think an element of Apple's success is fashion and "what's cool"? You haven't even held an I-Phone and you're already sold
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Interesting (though long) couple of articles:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...apping_th.html http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...etter_to_.html http://communities-dominate.blogs.co..._iphone_i.html The author of the article also backs up my opinions on the "non-problem" (according to others Unfortunately adding 3G to the phone involves a complete additional radio unit, increasing weight, complexity, reducing battery life etc. So this is not an easy upgrade to the next iPhone. Adding 3G is a very complex and costly step, and it also requires "double" the amount of testing at all network operators before it is accepted into the supported handset portfolios of any operator. Tomi T Ahonen Four-time bestselling author and expert on mobile phones and their services Lecturing at Oxford University on mobile services and convergence Last edited by hobbes79 : 15-01-2007 at 10:52. |
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3g.
at the moment there is still patchy coverage and it isnt expected to be full or half decent untill 2009. Unless you live in a big city this isnt available yet. Ive had 3g phones and ive got back to 2g better battery life, and i dont really use internet that much on my mobile whats the point of paying extra when i can access it on my laptop which is much cheaper. |
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3g.
at the moment there is still patchy coverage and it isnt expected to be full or half decent untill 2009. Unless you live in a big city this isnt available yet. Ive had 3g phones and ive got back to 2g better battery life, and i dont really use internet that much on my mobile whats the point of paying extra when i can access it on my laptop which is much cheaper. If you have to pay for it unsubsidised, it will cost a small fortune. |
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yet again everyone will be sucked in by a marketing machine that is apple.
There are better, bigger and cheaper mp3 players on the market than the iPod There are a multitude of phones out there that are mp3 and multimedia players with much more functionality than this product that will more than likely not be called the iPhone for very long as it is a Cisco trademark. Sony Ericsson has a range of Walkman phones, Nokia has a back catalogue of MP3 playing phones and the N91 is designed for this purpose. Wait for the N95 and you will have an MP3, Sat Nav, 3G phone. People will by them but for the same reason as people demand Intel in a PC - marketing |
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Originally Posted by only1salty
There are better, bigger and cheaper mp3 players on the market than the iPod
There are bigger, higher-featured and cheaper ones, but most people who've used normal MP3 players and then settled on an iPod will disagree with the better. |
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Having a large screen is no excuse for poor reliability... the general public shouldn't be forgiving and sympathetic mechancial engineers, though it would be nice if they were!
