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Old 13-01-2007, 13:14
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Jusst wondering as I have tonnes of 5 pence pieces and need some petrol..

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Old 13-01-2007, 13:15
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A shop can refuse payment no matter what! They arn't obliged to sell you anything.

In your case though...probably best to get it changed at a bank..and DONT go during lunch hour
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:15
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No, taxi drivers do it all the time-the cashier may well be welcome of the change.
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:16
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I think silver coins to the value of 1 and coppers to the value of 20p, if memory serves correctly.
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:22
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Tatty, Here :

Royal Mint Info :
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:22
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Originally Posted by Droitwich Lloyd
No, taxi drivers do it all the time-the cashier may well be welcome of the change.
Afraid you are wrong there: Shops can refuse over specified amounts:

http://www.royalmint.com/RoyalMint/w...Guidelines.asp

Obviously some shops choose to accept it but they don't have to.

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Old 13-01-2007, 13:23
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So a Fiver's worth of fuel, my friend.
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:24
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Originally Posted by DavidT
Afraid you are wrong there: Shops can refuse over specified amounts:

http://www.royalmint.com/RoyalMint/w...Guidelines.asp

Obviously some shops choose to accept it but hey don't have to.
No David I'm not wrong-the guy is purchasing petrol, therefor once he's put the fuel in his tank, the cashier is hardly going to refuse payment is he?
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:25
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Here's what the Royal Mint says:

The amounts for legal tender are stated below.

BANK OF ENGLAND NOTES:


In England and Wales the 5, 10, 20 and 50 notes are legal tender for payment of any amount. However, they are not legal tender in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

COINS:


Coins are legal tender throughout the United Kingdom for the following amounts:

5 - for any amount

2 - for any amount

1 - for any amount

50p - for any amount not exceeding 10

25p (Crown) - for any amount not exceeding 10

20p - for any amount not exceeding 10

10p - for any amount not exceeding 5

5p - for any amount not exceeding 5

2p - for any amount not exceeding 20p

1p - for any amount not exceeding 20p
http://www.royalmint.com/RoyalMint/w...e/Corp_faq.asp


Edit:
Hmm, I was a bit slow with that information!

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Old 13-01-2007, 13:30
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Originally Posted by Droitwich Lloyd
No David I'm not wrong-the guy is purchasing petrol, therefor once he's put the fuel in his tank, the cashier is hardly going to refuse payment is he?
You are wrong I'm afraid. They are choosing to accept the change. Its not legal tender and they could refuse and he would have to pay another way or be prosecuted for theft. The OP asked whether a shop can refuse, not whether they will refuse to accept payment by change and the answer is a clear Yes if its above the accepted legal tender limits.
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:33
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25p (Crown)??

What does it mean by that?
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:34
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Originally Posted by DavidT
You are wrong I'm afraid. They are choosing to accept the change. Its not legal tender and they could refuse and he would have to pay another way or be prosecuted for theft. The OP asked whether a shop can refuse, not whether they will refuse to accept payment by change and the answer is a clear Yes if its above the accepted legal tender limits.
Touche'.
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Old 13-01-2007, 13:46
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Thank you all for the info! So I can put a fivers worth in!! That will get me home!

For the person who asked what the 25p coin is - I think this was around for a short while in the 80s or something??

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Old 13-01-2007, 13:47
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Originally Posted by CoolboyA
25p (Crown)??

What does it mean by that?
Before decimalisation, there was a coin called the crown which was worth 5 shillings 25p after decimalisation. It wasn't all that common. Much more common was the half crown which was worth 2 shillings and 6 pence (2s 6d) or 12p. There's no current coin which is exactly equivalent to that value.

I gather that after decimalisation some 25p crown pieces were issued as collector's coins. However, the term now seems to be used for 5 coins (again for collectors):

http://www.royalmint.com/RoyalMint/w...ets/UK80BU.asp

Pre-decimalisation, there was also a two shilling piece (often called a florin) which is now the 10p coin.
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Old 13-01-2007, 14:13
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I never knew all this when I did shop work
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Old 13-01-2007, 14:17
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Originally Posted by DavidT
Afraid you are wrong there: Shops can refuse over specified amounts:

http://www.royalmint.com/RoyalMint/w...Guidelines.asp

Obviously some shops choose to accept it but they don't have to.
Shops can refuse anything they like, they are under no obligation to sell anything.

Legal tender has nothing to do with it (did you even read the link you posted?). Legal tender is something which cannot be refused if paid into a court to settle a debt; as opposed to a cheque, a cow or a TV, which a creditor may refuse if they do not wish to accept it as payment.

Legal tender has no part in the vast majority of transactions of money we make and certainly has nothing to do with paying for goods or services.
A person suppyling goods or services can accept or refuse anything they like as payment.

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Old 13-01-2007, 14:18
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I think a lot of shops are probably happy to accept change but it can get silly. Someone spending 3.50 and then counting out 350 pennies would annoy other customers as well as the shop staff.
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Old 13-01-2007, 14:20
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I never knew all this when I did shop work
That's because this whole legal tender discussion is complete crap and has nothing to do with selling things in shops. What you accepted as payment was up to the person running the shop.
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Old 13-01-2007, 14:27
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Originally Posted by Glen
Shops can refuse anything they like, they are under no obligation to sell anything.

Legal tender has nothing to do with it (did you even read the link you posted?). Legal tender is something which cannot be refused if paid into a court to settle a debt; as opposed to a cheque, a cow or a TV, which a creditor may refuse if they do not wish to accept it as payment.

Legal tender has no part in the vast majority of transactions of money we make and certainly has nothing to do with paying for goods or services.
A person suppling goods or services can accept or refuse anything they like as payment.
We all already know shops etc can refuse anything they like and are under no obligation to sell anything. That was covered in an earlier post so there was no point repeating it.

We can use barter if each party agrees.

The point is that lots of shops do as a policy use the legal tender guidelines for their own rules.
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:06
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OP, have you got a tesco near you? It's just that when I went shopping last night, I was at the till and there was this strange new machine there which actually lets you put all your small change in and it gives you a receipt and you can get notes back. My hubby put our coppers in there this morning just to see how it worked and he has 4.52. Got a service charge of 36p taken off the final amount and now has a voucher he can redeem. No more trips to the post office with money bags. This machine does it all for you.
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:13
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Originally Posted by MoistenedBint
OP, have you got a tesco near you? It's just that when I went shopping last night, I was at the till and there was this strange new machine there which actually lets you put all your small change in and it gives you a receipt and you can get notes back. My hubby put our coppers in there this morning just to see how it worked and he has 4.52. Got a service charge of 36p taken off the final amount and now has a voucher he can redeem. No more trips to the post office with money bags. This machine does it all for you.
Clever move on their part. Solves a lot of their loose change problems.
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:37
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Originally Posted by MoistenedBint
OP, have you got a tesco near you? It's just that when I went shopping last night, I was at the till and there was this strange new machine there which actually lets you put all your small change in and it gives you a receipt and you can get notes back. My hubby put our coppers in there this morning just to see how it worked and he has 4.52. Got a service charge of 36p taken off the final amount and now has a voucher he can redeem. No more trips to the post office with money bags. This machine does it all for you.
These have been springing up all over the place near me recently. Our local Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury's all have them.

You can find your nearest one by looking it up on this website:

http://www.coinstar.co.uk
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Old 13-01-2007, 15:38
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Yeah, I put all my spare change in a pot, and when it's full I go and exchange it for a note.
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Old 13-01-2007, 16:09
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But you have to PAY for the privilege? Why don't you just use the spare change to buy things? It's MONEY! It's what you get up early in the morning for to go and earn. Why give it to a machine that charges you to sort it? Mad!
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Old 13-01-2007, 16:15
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Just looked at the website. They charge 7.9% to count your money. That's just shocking. Nearly 8% for a machine to sort your coins!!!
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