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Old 10-02-2003, 22:42
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Name Some of your Favourite Underground Rappers?
Mine Are -
DJ Quik
Yukmouth
C-Bo
E40
Mac Shawn
Too $hort
Daz Dillinger
Bad Azz
Soopafly
Roscoe
Wayneac
Trip Loc
Lil' C-Style
Hellraiza
Fatal

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Old 10-02-2003, 22:48
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Old 11-02-2003, 10:02
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MC Hammer
Kris Kross
The Fat Boys
2Pac and Biggie (both underground at a depth of six feet)

All are more 'underground' than some of your choices. Daz Dillinger? Erm...only part of the biggest-selling rap group of all time. DJ Quik? The original Compton G. Too $hort? Even my sister has his CDs and she likes Gareth Gates.

The others are fair enough though
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Old 11-02-2003, 20:07
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All are more 'underground' than some of your choices. Daz Dillinger? Erm...only part of the biggest-selling rap group of all time. DJ Quik? The original Compton G. Too $hort?
I meant DAZ as a solo artist he as now left death row and runs his own independent record label.
DJ Quik & Too $hort never get any radio air play or there videos never been on MTV.
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Erm...only part of the biggest-selling rap group of all time
I didn't know tha dogg pound were biggest-selling rap group of all time. Did they sell more then NWA, RUN DMC, Wu-Tang etc.......

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Old 11-02-2003, 21:02
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Old 12-02-2003, 13:15
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Originally posted by Nate Dogg
I meant DAZ as a solo artist he as now left death row and runs his own independent record label.
DJ Quik & Too $hort never get any radio air play or there videos never been on MTV.

I didn't know tha dogg pound were biggest-selling rap group of all time. Did they sell more then NWA, RUN DMC, Wu-Tang etc.......
Yeah, according to a book I read on the history of Death Row. You have to remember that Dogg Food was released at the absolute height of DRR's powers - it went platinum within its first few days on sale. I'm not sure if the figures i've seen include Daz or Nate's successful solo work, but in any case they swept all before them.

As for the others...yes of course they don't get any radio airplay or videos on MTV...but that doesn't make them underground. Major label support, chart success - both Quik and $hortie are big names in the world of hip-hop, so can hardly be underground. By your rationale 90% of the artists in the world are 'underground' simply because they don't get playlisted by pop radio!!!

Besides, not that i listen to his show for his wack wigger shit, but Westwood has played both extensively over the years.
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Old 17-02-2003, 21:11
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As for the others...yes of course they don't get any radio airplay or videos on MTV...but that doesn't make them underground. Major label support, chart success - both Quik and $hortie are big names in the world of hip-hop, so can hardly be underground. By your rationale 90% of the artists in the world are 'underground' simply because they don't get playlisted by pop radio
OK maybe DJ Quik & Too $hort ain't very underground on the west coast but they are not very well known in the rest of the US or around the world.

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Old 17-02-2003, 22:20
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I saw a snickers wrapper when I was on the underground!
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Old 18-02-2003, 09:51
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Originally posted by Nate Dogg
OK maybe DJ Quik & Too $hort ain't very underground on the west coast but they are not very well known in the rest of the US or around the world.
The problem is in the definition of 'underground'.

Your definition: Anyone who isn't in the current breakthrough chart elite of hip-hop superstars (Eminem, Dre, Snoop, Xzibit, JD, Jay-Z, Master P, Nas, DMX, Busta, Puffy, Nelly , Wu Tang etc etc etc).

My definition:

Elite breakthrough crossover stars (as above)
Well known genre artists (Quik, $hortie, Daz, Shade Sheist, Ren, ROC and their ilk)
Underground artists (anyone pressing records out of their garage, anyone trying to sell their tapes out the boot of their car, anyone who has a cult following in a particular club or neighbourhood, signed artists who are yet to release their first major label album)

Now let me be the first to state that I don't think i know ANY underground artists, other than the collectives that get their stuff out there on mp3.com. Underground hip-hop is the same as garage punk bands or unsigned pop acts - they are UNDISCOVERED...not even by the label A&Rs, much less by consumers like ourselves.
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Old 18-02-2003, 21:17
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I saw a snickers wrapper when I was on the underground!

Thats new wave, they once went by the name of the Marathon Clan
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Old 19-02-2003, 16:24
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Originally posted by FastEddie
Quik, $hortie, Daz, Shade Sheist, Ren, ROC and their ilk
I must be getting old. I haven't heard of any of them.
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Old 19-02-2003, 16:29
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Old 19-02-2003, 20:43
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Orginally posted by GaryB
I must be getting old. I haven't heard of any of them.
You must be getting old because they are all big names in westcoast rap music.

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Old 19-02-2003, 21:08
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Originally posted by Nate Dogg
You must be getting old because they are all big names in westcoast rap music.

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Doesn't mean I'm getting old - just means i hate rap!
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Old 19-02-2003, 22:08
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I often think about Shade Sheist. What the hell happened to him, and why has he never broken through. He had that hit 'Where I Wanna Be', but it was on Daz's compilation album (why, it should have been on Sheist's own album, which SHOULD have been out when that single was out). If that had've happened, he would be a very well known rapper now, and that album would have impressive sales. So basically I think the reason Shade Sheist hasnt broken through, is record label mess-ups, shame.

Then to release Money Owners as the 1st single of Shade Sheists own album, yeah its good, but its pretty underground, doesnt exactly appeal to the masses. I'm not saying that he should sell out, just that the 1st single maybe should have been more radio friendly.
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Old 20-02-2003, 14:01
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Originally posted by *MikeB*
I often think about Shade Sheist. What the hell happened to him, and why has he never broken through. He had that hit 'Where I Wanna Be', but it was on Daz's compilation album (why, it should have been on Sheist's own album, which SHOULD have been out when that single was out). If that had've happened, he would be a very well known rapper now, and that album would have impressive sales. So basically I think the reason Shade Sheist hasnt broken through, is record label mess-ups, shame.

Then to release Money Owners as the 1st single of Shade Sheists own album, yeah its good, but its pretty underground, doesnt exactly appeal to the masses. I'm not saying that he should sell out, just that the 1st single maybe should have been more radio friendly.
Me too....i mean "Where I Wanna Be" was pretty much the perfect G-Funk record - it took me back to the early 90s and no mistake. I thought he was going to be the next Warren G, for sure...a record company mess up, definitely.
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Old 22-02-2003, 22:33
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I thought he was going to be the next Warren G, for sure
Shade Sheist the next Warren g I don't think so. Warren G invented G-Funk in early 90's. Shade Sheist doesn't come close warren. Warren's new album The G Files: #213 coming out in May and the 213 reunion album before the end of the year hopefully they will be classics like regulate.

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Old 23-02-2003, 09:37
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Originally posted by Nate Dogg
Shade Sheist the next Warren g I don't think so. Warren G invented G-Funk in early 90's. Shade Sheist doesn't come close warren. Warren's new album The G Files: #213 coming out in May and the 213 reunion album before the end of the year hopefully they will be classics like regulate.
Hopefully they will...even though Warren's stuff took a nose dive post-Regulate.

But give me one good reason why Shade couldn't be the next Warren G? He's got the production team, he's got the rhymes, he's got the flow and he's got the image. Add to that the backup from most of the DPG anyway and you have PURE G-Funk. It's not as if Warren was ever the most techinically proficient rapper in the world anyway - he's just got that laid back West Coast syncopation - which Shade has in spades.

So, in conclusion: BREAK YO'SELF, FOOL!
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Old 23-02-2003, 19:08
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I know Warren isn't the most techinically proficient rapper in the world but he still has has a good layed back flow and produces all his own material. He didn't just live off Dre's and Snoop's success he got his own record deal with Def Jam.
Warren doesn't need Nate to get a hot single like Shade does.
So, in conclusion: BREAK YO'SELF, FOOL!
In Conclusion Shade is still an average rapper that got a lot of help with guest appearances on his first album a lot more then warren g and still wasn't able to break through.:yawn:

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Old 23-02-2003, 19:52
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I like the new Shade Sheist single, its called John Doe, pretty damn cool.
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Old 23-02-2003, 22:29
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I'm more of an old skool hiphop head so folks that tickle my fancy include:-

Lord Finesse
Big Daddy Kane
Boogie Down Productions
Masta Ace
Showbiz & AG
EPMD
Main Source
Diamond D
Kool G Rap & Polo
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
Gang Starr
Tone Loc
Kam
Paris
MC Breed
OC
Organised Konfusion
Chubb Rock
Jeru The Damaja
Stetsasonic
Ice Cube
Artifacts
Blackmoon
Smiff n Wessun
Pudgee The Phat Bast**d
Da King & I
The Pharcyde
De La Soul
Tribe Called Quest
Mobb Deep
Chino XL
Kwest The Madd Ladd
Royal Flush
Mic Geronimo
NAS
Ice T
Grand Puba
Brand Nubian
Beatnuts
Wu Tang Clan
Das Efx
K-SOLO
3rd Bass
Public Enemy
KMD
Steady B & The Hilltop Hustlers
Da Youngsta's
Real Live
Double XX Posse
Gravediggaz



Yeh stuff of that nature the good stuff when rap music was fun and enjoyable...
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Old 02-03-2003, 18:39
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Paris
Gang Starr
Ice Cube
De La Soul
Tribe Called Quest
Mobb Deep
NAS
Ice T
Wu Tang Clan
They are some of my favourites off that list
I heard even 2pac feared Chino XL and thats why he had such small diss on hitem'up.

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Old 02-03-2003, 20:14
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Yeh Paris is great, he is very upfront and frank with what he says, basically, he calls it like he sees it. I think if there is one rapper that the FBI and CIA have been keeping tabs on over the last 15 years or so then it would be Paris.

The other artists on my list have made some great singles and albums over the years, there are loads of other artists as well, but I don't really keep tabs with Hip-Hop no more. The older stuff is the best... 1988-2001....

As for Chino XL he is like the Rodney Dangerfield of Hip-Hop he has got a vicious tongue on him, he really does cut into everybody with his lyrics. Both his albums 'Here to Save You All' and 'I Told You So' have got their highlights.
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Old 03-03-2003, 17:47
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Originally posted by Nate Dogg
I heard even 2pac feared Chino XL and thats why he had such small diss on hitem'up.
*Even* 2Pac?

You're talking like 'Pac was some sort of uber-gangsta who just had no fear whatsoever.

'Pac wasn't any sort of gangsta...he was just a great method actor who assimilated anything he needed to 'become' whatever image he wanted to portray. He was a chameleon, whether it was as a poet, a political activist, a young black man of ambiguous sexuality, and of course a gangsta rapper. Problem was that 'Pac didn't know when to stop.

If you look at Snoop, for example - intelligent, middle-class young black guy with a lot to say, but under no illusions that he was on some divine crusade. He just loved playing the role of Tha Doggfather, and did it brilliantly. He didn't shy away from the gangster life of a lot of the people who surrounded him at Death Row, but he was a rapper first and a gangster about 97th.

Real G's who grew up in Compton or Red Hook or wherever, who were part of the life glamourised by gangsta rap, who actually knew what it was to be a killer, a pimp and a pusher...they didn't need to conform to an image, or prove themselves like 'Pac did.

'Hit 'Em Up' is still my favourite joint to come out of Death Row - just because it sums up the whole East Coast-West Coast thing, and puts the full-stop on the story. It's the most angry and intense flow anyone had ever put on wax, and it is still the song to play to epitomise gangsta rap.

But 2Pac was nothing more than a very sensitive, talented guy who lacked an identity playing at being an OG. And that's why his fool ass got shot.
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Old 04-03-2003, 20:21
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I know tupac wasn't a real gangsta he just played the part of Tha Don and even said himself many times he wasn't a blood he just was around gang members everyday when he was on Death Row. He was real Thug who didn't fear being hurt or killed and he wasn't afraid to say what he felt about anyone or anything.

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