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The measure of a true great soap.
Last year Corrie lost some of it's most beloved characters (Mike, Fred, Danny, Leanne, Frankie, Shelly, Charlie) with many throwing in the towel. Yet the soap has still battled on, with great storylines that prove the soap has plenty of life, with a great diverse cast and a plentiful mix of drama and comedy.
EastEnders has also lost much loved characters (Pauline, Martin, Sonia, Joe, Ruby, Jake) and this has now left a big hole in the cast that has not been filled, and the soap is struggling now more than ever, it really is. Pauline’s exit was hyped, and should have been EastEnders and it's very best (as the announcer stated on Christmas day) yet it was absolute dire (as Richard Madley said today on his show, and funnily enough James Alexandrou agreed with him). Her exit was poorly written, confusing and unconvincing. EE has no new characters coming in, the storylines sound boring (can you seriously think of anything coming up worth getting excited about?). I think the current cast are generally two-dimensional and are therefore hard to care about. EE lost its grove in 2003 and it came back in 2005 and then disappeared again. I’m losing my patience with the show once again (how stupid was Joes exit?) and I feel I may switch off again like I did in 2004. May and Dawn - :yawn: Phil and Stella - :yawn: Jamie and Bert - :yawn: EE's only saving grace is Shirley. The only tragedy of this character is that back in EE's hay day, she would have been a much-celebrated character, but it feels like she arrived too late. Never thought I would say this but I really miss Pauline and I didn't think her exit would leave such a void in the show. |
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Well....
I can think of three stories which I am looking forward to, wait four
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EE is the strongest soap, Corrie have runiend the dynamic of one of their longest standing character by making her a murdering, cold hearted bitch (Tracy), have an unconvincing Danny alike running about trying it on with a plank of woods boyfriend, they have a new Frankie but worse in the form of Carla, Michelle and Steve is the same story as Ronnie and Steve Oo and Karen and Steve, Liz is behind the bar, Les continues to get to much screen time. And the street is due to discover a hidden bomb. Totally belivable. H/Oaks is a bit wobbly and E/dale keeps having terrible written plots and stunts all of the place, it's slowly turning into Brookie. British Soaps are in a bad state but EE is the strongest.
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I watch all 3-emmerdale, corrie and eastenders. I always watch them-never miss. But when it comes to an occasion like thursday nights hour emmerdale....i turn over to EE. Recently ive been hooked-its not at its strongest but as ive said countless times its improving. I fear ED IS becoming Brookside Chrissy 2005 said-and we all know where brookie ended up...
EE Pauline storyline i enjoyed-yes i did...and i loved the build up, climax and exits of martin and sonia..and Joe... Im also looking foward to many EE storyline again as Chrissy said all of those listed will be great especially Dot, Jane and Stella and Ben... I think itll be a good year for all 3 soaps...but corrie is too comfortable as the 'nations favourite...' for me.... |
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Originally Posted by Chrissy 2005
Well....
I can think of three stories which I am looking forward to, wait four
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EE is the strongest soap, Corrie have runiend the dynamic of one of their longest standing character by making her a murdering, cold hearted bitch (Tracy), have an unconvincing Danny alike running about trying it on with a plank of woods boyfriend, they have a new Frankie but worse in the form of Carla, Michelle and Steve is the same story as Ronnie and Steve Oo and Karen and Steve, Liz is behind the bar, Les continues to get to much screen time. And the street is due to discover a hidden bomb. Totally belivable. H/Oaks is a bit wobbly and E/dale keeps having terrible written plots and stunts all of the place, it's slowly turning into Brookie. British Soaps are in a bad state but EE is the strongest. ![]() |
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I'm sorry but how is Dot's happy slapping something tolook forward to? how many times can one character be attacked?
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I'm sorry but how is Dot's happy slapping something tolook forward to? how many times can one character be attacked?
Corrie on the whole is very, very Panto...it entertain's like Jack and the Beanstalk. Tracey and her violence aside. Come to think of it, it's Charlies murder that's given Corrie the huge ratings lately....and you say Dot getting 'happy slapped' isn't entertaining (which it isn't imo)? What about all the Corrie fans who switched on to see Tracey crack a hole in Charlies skull? EE is less Panto on the whole, it's darker than Corrie and really shouldn't be compared as the two show's have very different feels. You either prefere one or the other. EE isn't great at the moment, no idea if it will ever be again. If it takes off like a rocket and leaves Corrie behind....great. If not...whatever. Corrie can't and won't stay at the top forever....it's like the Barbie doll till the Bratz came out. If it's not EE or Emmie that overtakes it, someone else will. Some Corrie fans are so arrogant that they wouldn't consider for one minute that Emmie might sneak right up and bite them on the a**e. Emmie is getting stronger by the year, I've got a feeling that may be the one to snatch your crown...and keep it as ITV's flagship soap. Maybe when it does threads like this will stop popping up. Last edited by Rysen : 02-02-2007 at 23:50. |
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Originally Posted by Chrissy 2005
Les continues to get screen time.
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Corrie on the whole is very, very Panto...it entertain's like Jack and the Beanstalk. Quote:
EE is less Panto on the whole
You mean Gary and Minty. There is no other humour in EE, apart from Dot occasionally. At the moment EE scores very badly with credibility and even worse for picking cast members for their looks rather than proven acting ability. Last edited by SULLA : 03-02-2007 at 00:00. |
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Corrie can't and won't stay at the top forever....it's like the Barbie doll till the Bratz came out. If it's not EE or Emmie that overtakes it, someone else will.
Some Corrie fans are so arrogant that they wouldn't consider for one minute that Emmie might sneak right up and bite them on the a**e. Emmie is getting stronger by the year, I've got a feeling that may be the one to snatch your crown...and keep it as ITV's flagship soap. Maybe when it does threads like this will stop popping up. |
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I gave up on Eastenders about 5 years ago. The writing was really letting it down. Doesn't sound like much has changed, as I've just read the thread for last night.
If I watched it now, I would probably only know about 5 of the characters. |
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I gave up on Eastenders about 5 years ago. The writing was really letting it down. Doesn't sound like much has changed, as I've just read the thread for last night.
If I watched it now, I would probably only know about 5 of the characters. Last edited by Filiman : 03-02-2007 at 09:32. |
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When Eastenders is at it's best I can't miss a show - I'm hooked. But I have to say that over the last few months I could take it or leave it. It has become really dull and not at all interesting. Like a previous poster has mentioned, even Pauline's exit was pretty poor.
Coronation Street on the otherhand has been really captivating recently. I love the way the script writers can portray a good combination of light hearted and serious storylines. I have also really taken to the new characters that have come into the soap, unlike those on Eastenders. I sit in anticipation for the script writers of Eastenders to revive what was once the best soap on TV. I hope it's not a long wait!! |
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Originally Posted by pconno1
I gave up on Eastenders about 5 years ago. The writing was really letting it down. Doesn't sound like much has changed, as I've just read the thread for last night.
If I watched it now, I would probably only know about 5 of the characters. |
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Originally Posted by Rysen
There were several other storylines there you chose to ignore.
Corrie on the whole is very, very Panto...it entertain's like Jack and the Beanstalk. Tracey and her violence aside. Come to think of it, it's Charlies murder that's given Corrie the huge ratings lately....and you say Dot getting 'happy slapped' isn't entertaining (which it isn't imo)? What about all the Corrie fans who switched on to see Tracey crack a hole in Charlies skull? EE is less Panto on the whole, it's darker than Corrie and really shouldn't be compared as the two show's have very different feels. You either prefere one or the other. EE isn't great at the moment, no idea if it will ever be again. If it takes off like a rocket and leaves Corrie behind....great. If not...whatever. Corrie can't and won't stay at the top forever....it's like the Barbie doll till the Bratz came out. If it's not EE or Emmie that overtakes it, someone else will. Some Corrie fans are so arrogant that they wouldn't consider for one minute that Emmie might sneak right up and bite them on the a**e. Emmie is getting stronger by the year, I've got a feeling that may be the one to snatch your crown...and keep it as ITV's flagship soap. Maybe when it does threads like this will stop popping up. i think you're wrong with the cooments i have highlighted from your post! i think corrie will be at the top for a very long time to come and emmadale would never beat it! you could say the bratz doll that came along and gave corrie a run for its money was eastenders back in the 1980's but unlike your barbie doll comparsion, barbie dolls have never recoverd from the bratzs dolls, while corrie has proved itself to be beter than eastenders so in other words the barbie doll (corrie) fought back against the bratzs doll ( eastenders) and won!! so your girly dolls comparsion is wrong in someway!! |
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I found Eastenders very good last night,it was only one episode but still it was good.I agree that Paulines death was rather dul same with Joe,but maybe this new producer will find this out and get some graet storylines in-e.g
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I found Corrie rather bad late last year(Framie) but it's definaytey picked it's self up and im looking forward to
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Emmerdale has to many big things going on at once an dthe TK killer will be revealed mid-summer-I don't think viewers will want to wait so long. Hollyoaks is brillant at the moment with only the boring Valentines letting it down(Sonny in particular!)Calvins ok. |
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Originally Posted by Wick_ed
EE has no new characters coming in, the storylines sound boring (can you seriously think of anything coming up worth getting excited about?). I think the current cast are generally two-dimensional and are therefore hard to care about. EE lost its grove in 2003 and it came back in 2005 and then disappeared again. I’m losing my patience with the show once again (how stupid was Joes exit?) and I feel I may switch off again like I did in 2004.
May and Dawn - :yawn: Phil and Stella - :yawn: Jamie and Bert - :yawn: EE's only saving grace is Shirley. The only tragedy of this character is that back in EE's hay day, she would have been a much-celebrated character, but it feels like she arrived too late. Never thought I would say this but I really miss Pauline and I didn't think her exit would leave such a void in the show. |
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i think you're wrong with the cooments i have highlighted from your post!
i think corrie will be at the top for a very long time to come and emmadale would never beat it! you could say the bratz doll that came along and gave corrie a run for its money was eastenders back in the 1980's but unlike your barbie doll comparsion, barbie dolls have never recoverd from the bratzs dolls, while corrie has proved itself to be beter than eastenders so in other words the barbie doll (corrie) fought back against the bratzs doll ( eastenders) and won!! so your girly dolls comparsion is wrong in someway!! I did not say EE was the Bratz doll...you did. Barbie is old...Bratz dolls are extremely new. You don't know what's out there...or in the pipeline. Something could come along that's new and original and blow Corrie out of the water. Emmerdale has been turned around, reinvented, and is growing in strength, it's drawing in more and more youngsters....don't dismiss it. If it takes the leap into second place which looks likely...then Corrie is gonna have a major problem as it could be looking at losing it's flagship status at some future date. There can only be one flagship per channel. Last edited by Rysen : 03-02-2007 at 14:38. |
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Emmerdale will never overtake Corrie, ITV wouldn't let it. But its certainly stealing alot of EE's viewers. EE is just so awful at the moment Im wondering why Im still watching it.
I live in hope of some improvement. |
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Coronation Street will always be ITV's flagship soap, but out of all the soaps, Emmerdale has certainly made the biggest transformation over the years.
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Emmerdale will never overtake Corrie, ITV wouldn't let it. But its certainly stealing alot of EE's viewers. EE is just so awful at the moment Im wondering why Im still watching it.
I live in hope of some improvement. People are going to desert EE...no one is gonna watch it if it's boring. These people float back and forward through all the soaps though...they will come back if EE can pick it's self up again. It's ratings are still quite high unless you compare them to Corrie which is flying at the moment. |
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If you feel this strongly about it then don't watch it, and don't waste your time complaining!
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IMO, Corrie is the best soap because there are lots of funny scenes as well as serious storylines. EE is depressing nearly all the time.
And yeah, they did lose lots of loved characters but still battled on as you said. Corrie MUST win the best soap award this year!!!
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I wasn't complaining, I was criticising the show. There's a difference between the two but my intuition tells me there’s something ''simple'' about you.
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I wasn't complaining, I was criticising the show. There's a difference between the two but my intuition tells me there’s something ''simple'' about you.
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i know!!
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