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Old 22-02-2007, 23:26
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OK, I'm prepared to get flamed over this, but does anyone else listen to the music that is currently played by my namesake Marillion?

Mention Marillion and two things come to mind, "Fish" and "Kayleigh" - unless you are a fan, of course.

Forget what you think you know about this band and take a trip to www.marillion.com or www.myspace.com/marillion and see what you think.

If you like rock, progressive or indie music then you might just like what you hear. Their 14th studio album (Somewhere Else) is out in April, along with a tour to promote it, so check out the dates on the website.

Cheers all.
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Old 23-02-2007, 00:54
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I only got into Marillion through the "Musical Mystery" promotion for the Marbles album. I won a free copy of the album, although I was disappointed to discover that it was the cut down version with half the songs missing, especially considering I'd devoted the previous month of my life to that damn quiz.

Nevertheless, it was a pretty good album. I look forward to hearing their new stuff...
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Old 23-02-2007, 01:25
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I ran a Marillion Appreciation thread (incl Fish) but it got subsumed.
I've listened to them since Script, loved everything they've done without exception. I was upset when Fish left, because I believed him to be the heart of Marillion, but I have to say Steve Hogarth has taken the band into new and fantastic territories! I can't wait for the new album!
Happy to discuss Marillion all day/night long, if I had the time!
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Old 23-02-2007, 02:05
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I am a long time admirer of Marillion. I have many singles (Sugar mice, Incommunicado, Dry Land, Hooks in you, No one can, Easter) but no albums to date, although I've listened to several.

In general I would say I slightly prefer the Hogarth era to the Fish one, although both were/are great lead singers.

Easter is their best single to date I think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR05W5J05qs

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Old 23-02-2007, 04:14
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do they sing lavender's blue dilly dilly lavender green..........?

i like that song
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Old 23-02-2007, 04:16
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Yep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7sIzWKHGwQ
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Old 23-02-2007, 13:26
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It's called "Lavender", and is off their third (and commercially most successful) album, Misplaced Childhood. The album also features the number two hit "Kayleigh".
The single version is different, slightly longer, with an extra chorus and it ends, whereas on the album it's part of the Bitter Suite, and goes on into that.
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Old 23-02-2007, 13:45
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How about your top ten Marillion tracks?
I reckon mine would be

Grendel
Script for a jester's tear (album of the same name)
House (Marillion.com)
Neverland (Marbles)
Estonia (This Strange Engine)
Emerald lies (Fugazi)
Childhood's end (Misplaced Childhood)
Season's end (Season's End)
When I meet God (Anoraknophobia)
Forgotten sons (Script For A Jester's Tear)

Probably plenty more too

Top ten Fish (solo) tracks
Plague of ghosts (Raingods with Zippos)
Internal exile (Internal Exile)
Raw meat (Suits)
The lost plot (Field Of Crows)
Vigil (Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors)
Sunsets on empire (Sunsets On Empire)
Credo (Internal Exile)
Cliche (Vigil)
Fortunes of war (Suits)
Scattering crows (Field Of Crows)

Anyone else?
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Old 23-02-2007, 17:17
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I remember when a band called Silmarillion used to play local venues - yes! it was them.

I had a beer with Fish and the band's manager Paul Lewis, back in the 80s - (actually Fish had a whiskey and black) after my mates dared me to speak to him - we were all Marillion fans and I saw them a few times after that.


I saw the band fairly recently and it was like seeing a different band - nostalgia wanted Fish back, but Hogarth did a decent job. the 'new' Marillion are probably as good as the old, but different.

anyway, my fave tracks

he knows you know
chelsea monday
grendel
the web
assassing
misplaced childhood
punch and judy
incubus
3 boats down fronm the candy
kayleigh
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Old 23-02-2007, 17:58
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I love Marillion - you can always bump up the Appreciation thread (I added it to my subscriptions for when the new album comes out. )

I like the music from both 'eras' and thought Marbles was an excellent album - the explanations behind it on youtube are fantastic.

My top 10 (It changes all the time:

Neverland.
Bitter Suite.
The Invisible Man.
Heart of Lothian.
Kayleigh.
Lavender.
He Knows You Know.
Punch & Judy.
The Damage.
White Feather.
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Old 23-02-2007, 18:16
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In no particular order:

Warm Wet Circles/That Time of The Night
Script for A Jester's Tears
Easter
He Knows You Know
Assassing
Bitter Suite
Punch and Judy
Torch Song
Childhoods End?
Garden Party
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Old 23-02-2007, 21:18
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Wow, responses!!

That's not what I expected so thanks to those that have replied to date!!

Is anyone going to the concert in support of the Somewhere Else album released in April?

I'll be going to the closest one to me at Wolves Civic so I might see you there!!

For me, the Marillion experience is in 2 distinct parts - the Fish era and the H era. I feel the music hasn't so much "changed" as "progressed" which is kind of apt, really.

I "re-discovered" the band, after losing interest when Fish left, when a work colleague pointed out that you could get a Marbles sample cd from their website - I duly sent for it and waited for it to arrive. On it landing on my door-mat I put it straight into my hi-fi and sat back - as a result, I went out and bought the album, the dvd of the tour and went to the Not-Quite-Christmas tour - thoroughly enjoyed it too!!

Did anyone go to the Marillion Weekend this year and, if so, how did it go?

BTW - top 10s seem to be in so....

Early:
Script for a Jester's Tear
Chelsea Monday
Forgotten Sons
Grendel
Fugazi

More recent:
Neverland
Bridge
Brave
Estonia
Don't Hurt Youself
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Old 23-02-2007, 21:31
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The TOTP appearance for "Garden Party" was great where Fish didn't mime to the line "I'm miming" and just pointed to his lips instead.
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Old 23-02-2007, 21:40
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Don't forget their other TOTP appearance, to promote "Lavender"! Fish had a sore throat, but being the consummate showman he is and unwilling to let the side down, he appeared onstage with a blackboard bearing the lyric and pointed to it as the audience (mostly) sang along.
Class, Fish! Class!
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Old 23-02-2007, 21:41
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Yeah, that was another classic performance, though I'm sure he would have mimed anyway, sore throat or not.
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Old 23-02-2007, 22:12
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Probably true.
What about the hilarious confusion as the "poppers" desperately tried to figure out what the lyric in "Assassing" was, that bit just before the guitar solo into "Listen as the syllables of slaughter etc" ---- one pop rag had it as "Listen to the punk play"! Har har! I nearly wet meself!
And of course, the famous introduction on TOTP as the DJ (can't remember which one --- or care) said "Here's Marillion, with their latest single, "I, Assassin!" GARY NUMAN, you dope!
Fish put him straight right away though, growling A-SASS-ING! immediately as the music swelled.
Oh what a shower of kn*bheads these TOTP presenters are!
Ah, good memories, good memories...
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Old 23-02-2007, 22:27
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Hmm, TOTP only ever showed the video to "Assassing" but it's 23 years since I've seen that edition so I'll take your word for it about the DJ's introduction.
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Old 23-02-2007, 22:31
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Just checked : the presenters were Peter Powell and Simon Bates!
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Old 24-02-2007, 01:18
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One more before I hit the bed...
Cleverest Marillion lyrics? I know there are tons, but I have to confess I really love this one, from Marbles--
"A man came to drill holes in the morning
and by the afternoon, most of the morning was gone".
Anyone else?
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Old 24-02-2007, 19:06
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My Dad is a huge fan of them. It's all he plays.

"Don't Hurt Yourself", "Uninvited Guest" and "Between You and Me" are good.
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Old 25-02-2007, 15:26
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Your dad has great taste. Makes me feel damn old though --- oh, wait a minute! I AM!
Anyway, try listening with him to the older, Fish-era stuff, like the first three albums. Ah, they don't write them like that anymore!
(Yeah, I know --- shut up, grandad! )
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Old 25-02-2007, 16:31
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Lol, he's got all of those albums but prefers it with Steve Hogarth in
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Old 25-02-2007, 21:43
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I have to say that having been a fan from the beginning I would say Fish is the true Marillion vocalist, but I have absolutley no problem saying Steve Hogarth is a wonderful replacement. He's taken the band in new and different directions --- "Brave" was just stunning --- and I have yet to hear a "bad" Marillion album (don't think I ever will).
Love Fish's solo stuff too, specially "Raingods with Zippos", "Vigil in a wilderness of mirrors", "Internal exile" and "Field of crows".
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Old 26-02-2007, 00:22
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Originally Posted by Trollheart
One more before I hit the bed...
Cleverest Marillion lyrics? I know there are tons, but I have to confess I really love this one, from Marbles--
"A man came to drill holes in the morning
and by the afternoon, most of the morning was gone".
Anyone else?
TH

I liked Marillion with Fish but his 'clever' lyrics didn't really do anything for me, and although Misplaced Childhood is one of my favourite albums now, all that Lavender's blue dilly-dilly stuff put me off buying it when it first came out!

It was Berlin on Season's End that hooked me, it just moved me to tears...

"The mascara'd blonde from the Berliner bar
Rises at twilight, gets dressed in a daze
Black leather crackles and cold water runs
As she touches the walls of memory maze

And the shadows of men she has known fill her day
She's held half the world in her arms so they say
But she wakes up without them, with a hole in her heart
And she puts on her clothes, lives her life behind bars

The mascara'd blonde from the Berliner bar
Sighs at the skylight gets lost in the haze
Black leather crackles and cold water runs
As she touches the walls of her memory maze

Someone got stranded in no man's land
Dancing in the spotlight to the sound of clapping hands
Nobody knows who's side he was on
It's a risk that you take in no man's land
Nobody knows what made him decide
To run for freedom and to certain suicide
But when they turn off the guns and his fingers uncurl
He's clutching a photograph of a Berlin party girl"

That intensely emotive, soul-baring style of Hogarth's (coupled with Steve Rothery's guitar work) literally gives me goosebumps at times. Recently I heard someone say that he sings like he is pleading for his life, which is spot on. If I hadn't already been hooked, all those deeply moving passages in Brave and Afraid of Sunlight would have got me - not least Out of This World...

"What did she say?
I know the pain of too much tenderness.
Wondering when, or if you'll come back again.
Wanting to live for you,
and being banned from giving.

But only love will turn you around"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjbRzSguQIc
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Old 26-02-2007, 15:31
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Without question Steve has a poet's soul, and "Berlin" gives an incredible insight into what the people of East Germany had to live with until the Wall came down. The line "to the sound of clapping hands" being, I think, a reference to the stutter of machine guns which were stationed along the Berlin Wall to dissuade anyone from trying to escape to the West.
However, passages like Fish's take on the Lord's Prayer in "Forgotten sons" can't be ignored ---
"Minister, minister, care for your chilidren.
Order them not into damnation to eliminate those who
trespass against you
For whose is the kingdom, the power, the glory
Forever and ever
Amen."
Not forgetting the chilling exchange that follows:-

"Halt! Who goes there?"
"Deathhhhhhh..."
"Approach .... friend!"

Classic!
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