[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by rufes

lol but not euro gamrs, as final fantasy wasn't even released in europe.And the most played games in those days was fighetsr and sports, both of which had theor share of them.

Europe got it bad with lack of FF3....however, it could be argued that RPG's were born in europe properly due to the success of Zelda III and Secret Of Mana.

Final Fantasy 7 nailed it in the end.

The SNES had the ultimate version of the best fighting game of them all - Streetfigher 2. Sports-wise....the SNES wasn't bad, it lacked in quantity, but it did have the best versions of ISS Deluxe, NBA Jam, Super Tennis, Jimmy Connors Tennis, World Cup Striker etc.

[Drewy]

Originally Posted by BeatleGod

I'm not so sure, I think the SNES won in Europe in the end, as Sega released the Saturn early, which basically killed off the Megadrive, leaving the SNES to run freely as the main affordable home console.

Whatever sales were though, looking back at the MD's finest titles Vs the Super NES's best....it would be hard to argue against the SNES.

Using VG Charts the Magadrive won in Europe or at least anywhere in the PAL territiories. 9.36M to 8.58M.

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldcons.php

At the time I chose the Megadrive because I wanted to play Sonic over Mario. It then had other greats like Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Gunstar Heroes, Altered Beast, Quackshot, Worms, Mortal Kombat etc. Although I would say the Snes may have had better games if Final Fantasy had been released in Europe and maybe it's the reason the Snes didn't dominate in Europe like elsewhere.

[Bill Fan]

It's great to see so many Mega Drive, SNES and Retro Fans here. What's so amazing is that these consoles are not even the most recent batch. We've had 2 generations since and are onto the next one - Saturn/N64, Dreamcast/Gamecube and now Wii/PS3 but these 2 are remembered, and rightly so. These were from the best console wars and there wasn't really that much between the 2 consoles - SNES was slightly better but it did come out 1-2 years later and didn't matter at all. The arguments were not about graphics like they are now. It was all about the games.

In terms of a pure Sega v Nintendo graphical contest Donkey Kong Country was the best one but Sonic 3 + Sonic and Knuckles weren't that far behind Donkey Kong Country.

It is true that had Mega Drive done better in Japan then it would have been the best seller globally. Games like Sonic, Shining Force and Phantasy Star should really have appealed to Japan but I will always love my Mega Drive. While SNES had some amazing games - mainly 1st party and SquareSoft titles, Mega Drive had the ones I love so much - Sonic, Streets of Rage, Jungle Strike, NBA Jam TE, Castle of Illusion, Quackshot, World of Illusion, Shining Force, FIFA - did Nintendo ever get a FIFA game? - EA Hockey. Mutant League Hockey. Oh the list goes on.

I only wish I could find Streets of Rage 3 at a normal price. Ebay has it for £50ish Was it very rare in England?

[Kopter]

The SNES dumped all over the Megdrive from a very great height.

Everything from the graphics, sound, controllers & games pissed all over the blue hedgehog hosting crap.

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by Drewy

Using VG Charts the Magadrive won in Europe or at least anywhere in the PAL territiories. 9.36M to 8.58M.

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldcons.php

At the time I chose the Megadrive because I wanted to play Sonic over Mario. It then had other greats like Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Gunstar Heroes, Altered Beast, Quackshot, Worms, Mortal Kombat etc. Although I would say the Snes may have had better games if Final Fantasy had been released in Europe and maybe it's the reason the Snes didn't dominate in Europe like elsewhere.

Yeh, Nintendo treated Europe as badly as Sony treats europe now. Thanks for the sales figures - pretty even, but Sega had the edge, although the Megadrive was released TWO YEARS prior to the SNES.

Final Fantasy 2/3 and Mario RPG really should have had a Europe release, they are three of the best RPG's ever.

Originally Posted by Kopter

The SNES dumped all over the Megdrive from a very great height.

Everything from the graphics, sound, controllers & games pissed all over the blue hedgehog hosting crap.

your wrong, mario 3 did, but that was a remake, and street figher 2 and mario kart did.Their was very litle diffrance in the games, both had a very impressive libary, anyone who thinks not are kidding themselves


That was the golden era of gaming though, where you could choose a console and you knew you would get your moneys worth, with quentity and qualety.I think everyone has to agree their

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by Bill Fan

FIFA - did Nintendo ever get a FIFA game? - EA Hockey. Mutant League Hockey. Oh the list goes on.

FIFA did come out on the SNES....but it seemed that EA weren't that used to the SNES hardware, as it was a poor port.

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by rufes

your wrong, mario 3 did, but that was a remake, and street figher 2 and mario kart did.Their was very litle diffrance in the games, both had a very impressive libary, anyone who thinks not are kidding themselves


That was the golden era of gaming though, where you could choose a console and you knew you would get your moneys worth, with quentity and qualety.I think everyone has to agree their

Both consoles had about the same amount of support and similar levels of success.....never has a generation had that, so yes, whichever console you went for you'd be happy.

Nowadays, since the Playstation, you get one dominant console, and another that struggles. The N64 did alright.....but the PS really won in the end.

[Bill Fan]

Originally Posted by BeatleGod

FIFA did come out on the SNES....but it seemed that EA weren't that used to the SNES hardware, as it was a poor port.

Hence the start of porting from a weaker console that would haunt Nintendo for years

[gamercraig]

Originally Posted by rufes

That was the golden era of gaming though, where you could choose a console and you knew you would get your moneys worth, with quentity and qualety.I think everyone has to agree their

That's true, and it's not about looking at the past with rose-tinted spectacles.

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by Bill Fan

Hence the start of porting from a weaker console that would haunt Nintendo for years

Yea, its bizarre, but I am not so sure why.....as the "Strike" games Desert and Jungle Strike were far superior on the SNES, and they were EA games.

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by xboxcraig

That's true, and it's not about looking at the past with rose-tinted spectacles.

I think the other thing is, that most of us were probably in our teens or younger, and getting a game back then was a big event.....as games back then were expensive, and most of us didn't have disposable incomes etc. Parents gave us little in pocket money, or only games on b'days/xmas etc.

Nowadays, if i like the look of a game, i will probably buy it, and not give it the attention and time it deserves, like I did with those SNES games. For ages, I had a SNES and just Streetfighter 2 - and that game kept me hooked for absolutely ages.

Originally Posted by BeatleGod

Yea, its bizarre, but I am not so sure why.....as the "Strike" games Desert and Jungle Strike were far superior on the SNES, and they were EA games.

You my friend have just confirmed yourself as the biggest fanboy walking ... thats like saying soul calibur 2 is far superior than the first one because it improved a slight bit to the origanal, or that residant evil 4 on the ps2 was better cause it had a few extr fetures th gamecube version didn't.


I the end though, the srike series was the best on the megadrive, thats why their most assosiated with the mega drive.

Originally Posted by xboxcraig

That's true, and it's not about looking at the past with rose-tinted spectacles.

if i wanted to look at the past with rose tinted specticles i could say that the snes was a faster machine than the mega drive, or that the snes trounched the mega drive in europe and america.Now to quote a famouse canadian song, " isn't it ironic??

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by rufes

You my friend have just confirmed yourself as the biggest fanboy walking ... thats like saying soul calibur 2 is far superior than the first one because it improved a slight bit to the origanal, or that residant evil 4 on the ps2 was better cause it had a few extr fetures th gamecube version didn't.


I the end though, the srike series was the best on the megadrive, thats why their most assosiated with the mega drive.

Soul Calibur 1 is better than 2 because its a better designed game. Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube was better than the PS2 version because it was graphically more impressive and well suited to the controller.

As for the "Strike" series, yes, they were more famous on the MD, but that was because they were made and released earlier. However, the SNES versions when they eventually got released were graphically and mechanically far better.

Again, look at the two side by side running....both still great games, but if you have both consoles, you're gonna get the prettier one on the SNES. Its a purely superficial thing in this instance.

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by rufes

if i wanted to look at the past with rose tinted specticles i could say that the snes was a faster machine than the mega drive, or that the snes trounched the mega drive in europe and america.Now to quote a famouse canadian song, " isn't it ironic??

The SNES sold 20m units in America, thats a bit more than the number of Megadrives sold. Megadrive marginally sold more units than the SNES in Europe, but you have to take into account that the MD was released 2 years earlier.

As for the speed thing.....F-Zero seemed pretty fast to me

Remember, the SNES processor had custom chips, which mean't that the clock speed wasn't crucial. For heavens sake, the Master System had a faster CPU than the SNES in terms of clock speed!

Originally Posted by BeatleGod

Soul Calibur 1 is better than 2 because its a better designed game. Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube was better than the PS2 version because it was graphically more impressive and well suited to the controller.

As for the "Strike" series, yes, they were more famous on the MD, but that was because they were made and released earlier. However, the SNES versions when they eventually got released were graphically and mechanically far better.

Again, look at the two side by side running....both still great games, but if you have both consoles, you're gonna get the prettier one on the SNES. Its a purely superficial thing in this instance.

come on please, the cubt and ps controller wern't that much diffrant, except for maybe a few things like analog placement, there was no difirrance to it the way you hold it..With that argument you can say strike was better cause it was built for the medgadrive.And soul calibur wasn't the better designed game, the 2nd improved slightly, but it didn't give the same wow facter as the worst.Ohh and on residant evil 4, you have said gameplay over graphix, so the ps2 version must of won looking at it from your point of view

Originally Posted by BeatleGod

The SNES sold 20m units in America, thats a bit more than the number of Megadrives sold. Megadrive marginally sold more units than the SNES in Europe, but you have to take into account that the MD was released 2 years earlier.

As for the speed thing.....F-Zero seemed pretty fast to me

Remember, the SNES processor had custom chips, which mean't that the clock speed wasn't crucial. For heavens sake, the Master System had a faster CPU than the SNES in terms of clock speed!

the snes was not faster than the megadrive, you can throw custom chips in the argument all you want, but until i see a credible link that says the snes was faster than the megadrive, then i can't take the argument seriously.And the snes sold 19 million more according to wikipedia, near 14 million of them was in japan.And iv seen stated on numerouse occasions people mention that sales from wene the saturn came out up until 98.For gods sake it sold well in brazil even after the millenium

[ravensbung]

God, i'm loving this thread! I had a SNES and I feel that I may be trying to convince the wife to let me buy a second hand one again soon.........

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by rufes

Ohh and on residant evil 4, you have said gameplay over graphix, so the ps2 version must of won looking at it from your point of view

No, the GCN was better because it had more realistic and superior graphics, plus I prefer the GCN controller. I could have bought either, at the same price, but went for the most recommended Gamecube version.

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by rufes

the snes was not faster than the megadrive, you can throw custom chips in the argument all you want, but until i see a credible link that says the snes was faster than the megadrive, then i can't take the argument seriously.And the snes sold 19 million more according to wikipedia, near 14 million of them was in japan.And iv seen stated on numerouse occasions people mention that sales from wene the saturn came out up until 98.For gods sake it sold well in brazil even after the millenium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_N...ainment_System

The link says: 20m sold in America, 29m sold other. Giving a total of 49m. The Megadrive sold 29m in total globally.

I never said the SNES was FASTER than the Megadrive, but since when did clockspeed make such a huge difference? Like i've said before, there are many machines with faster clockspeeds than the SNES, yet graphically cannot compete. The reason why the SNES could produce FAST and graphically sublime games were because of custom chips, a power graphics processor etc.

You are comparing one game - Sonic The Hedgehog as an argument that the Megadrive was FASTER than the SNES. Ridiculous. The games on the SNES were far more impressive than on the Megadrive.

[scooby1970]

I gotta say, it's the Megadrive that win's hands down for me, and as another person said, at the time I did not know anyone with a Snes either, everyone had Megadrives, and for good reason! It kicked butt!

That said, I have grown to love the Snes for what it does, and enjoy a good game of Pang and the Street Fighter games (which are better than the MD versions).

Mark

[gamercraig]

Originally Posted by rufes

if i wanted to look at the past with rose tinted specticles i could say that the snes was a faster machine than the mega drive, or that the snes trounched the mega drive in europe and america.Now to quote a famouse canadian song, " isn't it ironic??

OOOHHH, the Megadrive was a faster machine. Now to quote a certain Mr Homer Simpson "RING-A-DING-DING". Oh, and learn to spell.

[BeatleGod]

Originally Posted by xboxcraig

OOOHHH, the Megadrive was a faster machine. Now to quote a certain Mr Homer Simpson "RING-A-DING-DING". Oh, and learn to spell.

Think there is more chance of a Sega Game Gear revival.....and outselling the DS.

[sonicshadow]

I have never played the Snes but i do have a Megadrive II, but only 8 games as i bought it very late on (1998). The games i ahve are good tho, Sonic 1 and 2, Streets of Rage etc, but its very hard to play now due to a problem with the controllers or their ports - not sure which