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Old 26-02-2007, 13:08
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one of my m8s at school is argueing that new gnr is shit,
he likes paul weller / the jam.
i just want to decide.

who is betteR?

The New Guns N Roses

OR

The Jam / Paul weller solo
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Old 26-02-2007, 13:14
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The Jam craps all over any output from G n R or Weller's solo stuff.
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Old 26-02-2007, 16:37
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Originally Posted by dugq
The Jam craps all over any output from G n R or Weller's solo stuff.
The Jam rule supreme over the new version of GnR. Or even to be honest Weller's solo stuff. I love The Jam and remember them from my youth when they were at their peak.
They released some really good tracks, Eton Rifles, Down in The Tubetation at Midnight, Going Underground, Town Called Malice. Your mate is well clued up and knows good music when he hears it, you'd be advised to listen to The Jam.
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Old 26-02-2007, 17:03
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Originally Posted by TowersOfLondon
one of my m8s at school is argueing that new gnr is shit,
he likes paul weller / the jam.
i just want to decide.

who is betteR?

The New Guns N Roses

OR

The Jam / Paul weller solo
Urm... How do you mean "better"? I've had many arguments about how it's impossible to say that one band is better than another.

But, in (a rough) answer to your question, they are both infinitely better than Towers of London.

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Old 26-02-2007, 18:13
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The Jam/Paul Weller > New G'N'R anytime, Axl just can't cut it anymore and the new G'N'R just ruins the reputation of the previous band. I'm not majorly into The Jam or Weller but I do know their music is better than the tripe Axl will be putting out sometime in about 25 years.
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Old 26-02-2007, 19:30
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Originally Posted by TowersOfLondon
one of my m8s at school is argueing that new gnr is shit,
he likes paul weller / the jam.
i just want to decide.

who is betteR?

The New Guns N Roses

OR

The Jam / Paul weller solo
It used to be GNR v Metallica rows back in the day...

But GNR V The Jam... they are not similar bands are they
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Old 27-02-2007, 17:24
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Think it's the fact that The Jam are coming back without Weller as Axl is coming back without the other original GNR members. Now if you made the argument New G'N'R/Velvet Revolver/Army of Anyone OR The Jam/Paul Weller Solo I'd go for the first simply cause VR and AoA are awesome.
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Old 01-03-2007, 16:03
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Although Weller is a moody sod, IMO, the Jam without him cannot be ! it's like seeing the Stranglers without Hugh Cornwell - OK, but not the same.
I've friends who have seen ?the gift? and said that the Jam resurrection will be good, but to me, it won't be The Jam. you couldn't have the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi and you can't have The Jam without Weller.

so I suppose G&R maybe the more authentic of the two suggested.
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Old 01-03-2007, 16:08
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Originally Posted by dugq
The Jam craps all over any output from G n R or Weller's solo stuff.

sorry?

are my eyes deceiving me?

The Jam were one of the best bands of their era BUT Weller's stuff is just as good outside of the Jam as in it. After listening to The Style Council, I suggest you go and listen to "Heavy Soul" or "Wildwood" then write 100 lines "Paul Weller is very good in all his bands"

[tut tut]

Get "Hit Parade" - it's all good.
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Old 01-03-2007, 17:30
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I hope the new gnr album chinse democracy will be worth the wait and does well in the charts, im sure most of the old fans will be interested to see what its like and how well it does, axl still has a great voice and knows how to entertain at concerts, 2006 webley was just as good as webley 91 and 92.
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Old 03-03-2007, 08:26
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Weller all the way.

Heard a track by a new band on radio one the other day that had a definite slant to the jam sound, the music is still valid today - listen to the jam albums, they've stood the test of time.

The solo stuff is an amazing boy of work, far more varied than most other artists - from "The Changingman", "Peacock Suit", "From The Floorbaords Up" to "The Moon On Your Pyjamas", "Time Passes" and "The Pebble And The Boy" show just about every emotion possible.

Dont forget the other stuff he gets into - co-writing/producing/playing on Carleen Andersons "Blessed Burden" album is widely unknown but is worth a listen.
Check out steve whites (wellers drummer) band "The Players" too.
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Old 03-03-2007, 09:01
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fook me they are both shit. The Jam and G N R are both brilliant 'bands'. As single artists Axl Rose and Paul Weller are **** all without Slash and Duff, Bruce Foxton. Rose is trying to hang on to 'Appetite for destruction' (pisses on 'Definately Maybe' as a debut album) and Wellar is just too boring and trying to be a 'musician'
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Old 03-03-2007, 09:09
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Originally Posted by The Spoon
sorry?

are my eyes deceiving me?

The Jam were one of the best bands of their era BUT Weller's stuff is just as good outside of the Jam as in it. After listening to The Style Council, I suggest you go and listen to "Heavy Soul" or "Wildwood" then write 100 lines "Paul Weller is very good in all his bands"

[tut tut]

Get "Hit Parade" - it's all good.
Although I respect Weller for trying something different, I think the style council were a steaming pile. Wellers solo work is better but rarely rises higher than merely above average. The Jam, on the other hand, are one of the all time great rock bands. Theres no real comparison IMO.
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Old 03-03-2007, 16:16
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Originally Posted by J6ngo1977
Wellar is just too boring and trying to be a 'musician'
Err, yeah sure.. because he hasnt being making albums that have charted in the top 10 (most at #1 or #2) for the last 15 years has he ? or received lifetime achievement awards ? Or been consistently touring to sell out tours worldwide ? Or can play bass, lead, piano ?

Weller is always looking forwards, trying new things and developing his music, not going back on the road 20 years later playing the same old songs. This is the reason he wont rejoin a jam reunion - its a done deal, theres other things to do now.
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Old 03-03-2007, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Crafty
Err, yeah sure.. because he hasnt being making albums that have charted in the top 10 (most at #1 or #2) for the last 15 years has he ? or received lifetime achievement awards ? Or been consistently touring to sell out tours worldwide ? Or can play bass, lead, piano ?

Weller is always looking forwards, trying new things and developing his music, not going back on the road 20 years later playing the same old songs. This is the reason he wont rejoin a jam reunion - its a done deal, theres other things to do now.
Fair point
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Old 03-03-2007, 19:12
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This is a very confusing thread, everyone seems to be arguing about slightly different things!
Personally I think GNR just isnt GNR without the old screw of Slash, Duff and Izzy... which drummer is debatable though! I personally would go with Mat!

The Jam just isnt the same without Weller... but Weller's new stuff is actually good.

If we were going to argue which is better between new The Jam and New GNR, i would say New GNR, just because at live gigs, when they play their old stuff, you can close your eyes and pretend its the old gnr cause you still have Axl's voice! the New GNR songs are rubbish though!

All of the above do however kick Towers of London's arses, they are truely an aweful band! Who once challneged me to a fight.... but never turned up!
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:48
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The Jam are one of my all time favourite bands. Don't like guns & roses - they were always a total joke, but my kids seem to be into them for some unknown, new found street cred reason (where the hell that came from I don't know..)
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Old 04-03-2007, 12:39
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Originally Posted by J6ngo1977
'Appetite for destruction' (pisses on 'Definately Maybe' as a debut album)
No it doesn't.

And Wellers solo work is right up there with his Jam stuff. Stanley Road, Heavy Soul and Wildwood are amazing albums.
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Old 04-03-2007, 12:52
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Originally Posted by TowersOfLondon
one of my m8s at school is argueing that new gnr is shit,
he likes paul weller / the jam.
i just want to decide.who is betteR?

The New Guns N Roses

OR

The Jam / Paul weller solo
Can you not decide for yourself? I loved both bands and Paul Weller is my absolute favourite performer of all time (in anything he does).

I can't see The Jam without Weller, and I can't see Guns and Roses without Axl. However I saw Queen last year with Paul Rodgers fronting and I did enjoy that. But no-one can beat the original and best.
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Old 04-03-2007, 14:56
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Guns N' Roses' "Appetite For Destruction" pisses on, shats on and even comes over almost every other debut album ever released. It's certinly better than "Definately Maybe", by a long, long shot.

Sorry for the graphic-ness of the post, but it's true, AFD is one of the best albums ever recorded and it's the biggest selling debut album of all time.

Paddy

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Old 05-03-2007, 17:39
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And when I went to see 'New' GNR last June/July, they were absoloutely phenomenal. Axl hasn't lost his stage personna that's for sure (though we WERE taking bets on whether he was going to turn up or not).
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Old 05-03-2007, 19:14
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Originally Posted by trinsk
The Jam are one of my all time favourite bands. Don't like guns & roses - they were always a total joke, but my kids seem to be into them for some unknown, new found street cred reason (where the hell that came from I don't know..)
Slash is no joke!!! hes a guitaring legend!!!
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Old 06-03-2007, 13:00
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Originally Posted by The Spoon
Although Weller is a moody sod, IMO, the Jam without him cannot be ! it's like seeing the Stranglers without Hugh Cornwell - OK, but not the same.
I've friends who have seen ?the gift? and said that the Jam resurrection will be good, but to me, it won't be The Jam. you couldn't have the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi and you can't have The Jam without Weller.

so I suppose G&R maybe the more authentic of the two suggested.
I disagree with the above statement about GNR being more authentic, dont forget Slash and Izzy are no longer in the band which as i recall was when they were at there peak.
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Old 06-03-2007, 14:10
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Originally Posted by The Spoon
Although Weller is a moody sod, IMO, the Jam without him cannot be ! it's like seeing the Stranglers without Hugh Cornwell - OK, but not the same.
I've friends who have seen ?the gift? and said that the Jam resurrection will be good, but to me, it won't be The Jam. you couldn't have the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi and you can't have The Jam without Weller.

so I suppose G&R maybe the more authentic of the two suggested.
Oh yes, Weller has been known to be moody. Not like that nice Axl Rose, surely one of the most obnoxious of all the 'rock stars', especially as the whole GnR thing is based on just one (admittedly very good) album.

Someone mentioned the Stranglers above. Rubbish with Hugh Cornwell, but to be fair they were fourth-rate rubbish without him.

Anyone who can remember that far back (like I can) will tell you, the test of whether your mates etc understood punk was asking if they had any Stranglers records. If they did they were basically laughed at!!

Whatever you think of Weller, (sorry might be going OT here) I think he deserves respect for not taking the lucrative, easy option of reforming the Jam. Foe me, he has made some mighty stuff with the Style Council and solo, but it's mixed in with some awful pub-rock sludge. Unlike the Jam's output which, most of the Modern World album aside, was pristine punk pop mod magic.

Get the 'Complete Jam DVD' and revel in just how FANTASTIC they were both in the studio and live. It could never be that good again... could it?

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