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Old 05-03-2007, 13:04
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What is the point of them??
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Old 05-03-2007, 13:22
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Can you be a little more precise? Are you talking about one in particular that has riled you?
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Old 05-03-2007, 14:05
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remixes are great.

i think you might be upset with "mashups" or "whitelabels"

some "mashups" are crap and some work but remixes take other songs to a new level.

Example

cornershop - Brimfull of asher (original mix)

Had no radio coverage, didn't do well in the charts

then along came a producer/dj fatboy slim

his remix made the song an instant hit and is still played on the radio today
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Old 05-03-2007, 15:34
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I think people get confused with these knock of, sampling tracks, the kind that Universal Nation and the like inflict on the masses. There not "remixes" in the truest sense. A remix implies you have taken the original components of a (multi-)track and re-arranged or added too.

Merely making a loop of some vocal and whacking it over a 4/4 drum beat isn’t remixing.
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Old 06-03-2007, 10:03
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Originally Posted by Dark Drums
Can you be a little more precise? Are you talking about one in particular that has riled you?
The whole concept of them
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Old 06-03-2007, 10:22
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Even if they're by the artist that created the original track?
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:11
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Originally Posted by VERENCE
The whole concept of them
So you are entirely against the concept of somebody taking a song and updating it and altering it in their own style?

Remixes aren't just sped up versions of Mariah Carey songs with an out-of-sync bassline made by some 13 year old using Ejay, you know. Remixes are often produced in great details and if they work well, they can even surpass the original song in quality. I know of songs I hate which have been remixed, and the remix is great.
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:28
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So you are entirely against the concept of somebody taking a song and updating it and altering it in their own style?
There's a difference between cover versions and remixes
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Old 06-03-2007, 13:46
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Originally Posted by VERENCE
There's a difference between cover versions and remixes
Cover versions are usually mere copies with only minor changes to details (with exceptions, obviously) while remixes often introduce a new element or style, so remixes are the ones which differ most from the original, usually.
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Old 06-03-2007, 17:17
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The point of a remix is to create a quality piece fo music.

What other point is required?
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Old 06-03-2007, 17:59
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Originally Posted by VERENCE
The whole concept of them
Here's a scenario then:

A track by your favourite current artist is released. You think it's the best thing they have done and can't stop listening to it. Many others think the same and it becomes a hit.
Then it comes out that it's actually a remix of the original unreleased version. Do you suddenly go off that track???
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Old 07-03-2007, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Glenn24v
Here's a scenario then:

A track by your favourite current artist is released. You think it's the best thing they have done and can't stop listening to it. Many others think the same and it becomes a hit.
Then it comes out that it's actually a remix of the original unreleased version. Do you suddenly go off that track???
Interesting thought
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Old 07-03-2007, 13:00
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Originally Posted by dugq
The point of a remix is to create a quality piece fo music.

What other point is required?
There are commercial considerations - remix a track in a different style and it has crossover appeal. A dance mix gets played in clubs giving the song more exposure in the process. Producing a more radio friendly mix of a track also has obvious benefits.
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Old 07-03-2007, 13:36
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There are commercial considerations - remix a track in a different style and it has crossover appeal. A dance mix gets played in clubs giving the song more exposure in the process. Producing a more radio friendly mix of a track also has obvious benefits.
Sure, but commercial considerations can effect all areas of music. I don't understand why single out remixes and ask what the point in them is. The point in remixes is exactly the same point as all music has.
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Old 07-03-2007, 14:09
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Remixes can be great. Although I am 63 I prefer Puff Daddy to Police''''have a listen.
And the German eurodance remix of Duane Eddy's Riders in the Sky is superb and must have brought the legendary Mr Eddy to the attention of many who would otherwise never have heard of him.
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Old 07-03-2007, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Dark Drums
I think people get confused with these knock of, sampling tracks, the kind that Universal Nation and the like inflict on the masses. There not "remixes" in the truest sense. A remix implies you have taken the original components of a (multi-)track and re-arranged or added too.

Merely making a loop of some vocal and whacking it over a 4/4 drum beat isn’t remixing.
When a remix is seen as the original track then it really isn't a problem.
Most people see the Fatboy Slim mix of 'Brimful of Asha' as THE definitive version.

But I think that many of the remixes that are just used to 'modernise' tracks which were well regarded in the past can tend to murder the original. They tend to try too hard to appeal to the modern commerical mainstream idea of what they think should sound good.

A good example of this is a remix of The Future Sound of London's 'Papua New Guinea' that I heard. They just remixed it to fit to a modern formula of what they think the production should sound like.
Yes, the production sounds modern, it's got modernised sounds, but they've just banged a four to the floor beat onto it, added a few modern sounds, and it just sounds like a every other average dance record.

The original 'Papua New Guinea' was a stunningly beautiful ambient sounding thing, really trancy and trippy, here the remix in this instance has just defeated the object completely and drowned out what made the original so good and turned it into something dull and generic.
It just ruined the feel and texture of the original track completely and missed the point.

There's been a few examples of late eighties/early nineties tracks that have been revisited, but have just been turned into something boring with a basic 'duh duh duh' four to the floor beat just banged over the top. Just ruined, and the point of the original sound has been lost. No consideration for the texture and timbre of the original music.

A lot depends on who's doing the remixing and for what purpose they're doing it for.
If it's just done to commericalise an original song by means of just attempting to 'modernise' it without any other real direction taken into consideration then the results aren't often very good and tend to kill the soul of the original.

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Old 07-03-2007, 19:09
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Anybody got any examples of what they consider to be good remixes and other examples of what they believe to be horrible remixes?
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Old 07-03-2007, 19:52
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Andy Weatheralls remix of the Happy Monday's Hallelujah comes to mind.

Now those were the days...
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:04
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Originally Posted by dugq
Andy Weatheralls remix of the Happy Monday's Hallelujah comes to mind.

Now those were the days...
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Indeed and Oakenfold was involved too of course.

Good - New Order - True Faith (Shep Pettibone remix)
Alternatively The Shamen - Move Any Mountain (Oakenfold mix) which pretty much defined the sound of the track more than the original

Bad - Depeche Mode - The Sinner in Me - Richard Villalobos mix - meandering, up its own arse and doesn't enhance the original track

'And the German eurodance remix of Duane Eddy's Riders in the Sky is superb' Are you sure about that???


The Weatherall mix of Papua New Guinea was great IMO. The original is effectively a remix of Dead Can Dance anyway.

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Old 08-03-2007, 17:45
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i think bad remixes of old/new songs are anything thats on "clubland" cds or anything by ministry of sound.

I do think todays dance music is shite and would love a return of proper dance from 97-99

energy 52
Blue adonis
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Best dance remix ever

"manson - wide open space (oakenfold mix)"
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Old 08-03-2007, 17:53
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Sometimes they make different fans of genres appreciate..um different genres

case-in-point - I downloaded the original version of camille Jones' The Creeps do see what Le grande had done to it - the original is pretty cool - might check out her whole album now

That wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the remix
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Old 09-03-2007, 01:56
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I think a clever remix is one that keeps the originality of an oldie but freshens it up.

The production can sound a bit dated on some classics but the melody is great. Put today's technology with the classic song and it can be great

It can also bring an obscure oldie to the forefront such as the Nasty Girl track. I do remember the original and played it the other day and it sounded sooo dated but the new version is fab

I also like the Deepdish version of Fleetwood Mac's Dreams and Meck's Thunder in My Heart - again, their original production sounds clumsy in places, good for it's time, rather odd sounding today.

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Old 09-03-2007, 08:47
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Originally Posted by mattshenton
I do think todays dance music is shite and would love a return of proper dance from 97-99
You mean cheesy-trance?

Some of us can actually recall "proper" trance and the acid sound of the early/mid-nineties; Hardfloor, Sven Väth (before he went up his own posterior), L.S.G. and Joey Beltram.
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Old 09-03-2007, 12:59
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Originally Posted by Dark Drums
You mean cheesy-trance?

Some of us can actually recall "proper" trance and the acid sound of the early/mid-nineties; Hardfloor, Sven Väth (before he went up his own posterior), L.S.G. and Joey Beltram.
Ah, Hardfloor remixes. They all sounded the same but no one really minded. Those were the days.
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Old 09-03-2007, 13:18
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Ah, Hardfloor remixes. They all sounded the same but no one really minded. Those were the days.
The ol' Hardfloor re-working of "Yeke Yeke" still causes dance-floor panic for me when I hear it; genius
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