Component connection?

jbauerctu · 09-03-2007, 11:29

This may sound like a stupid question but is a comonent connection better than RGB Scart?

Nigel Goodwin · 09-03-2007, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbauerctu

This may sound like a stupid question but is a comonent connection better than RGB Scart?

No, RGB is the highest possible SD connection, but component is only fractionally inferior - and you wouldn't notice any difference as there's no RGB quality sources available anyway.

Brido · 09-03-2007, 12:29

Component out performs RGB on both my 360 and DVD player....I'd go with component every time!

w3dal · 09-03-2007, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

No, RGB is the highest possible SD connection, but component is only fractionally inferior - and you wouldn't notice any difference as there's no RGB quality sources available anyway.

Dont quite agree with that. I have seen a remarkable improvement since using component from my DVD player to my plasma screen. I have always used RGB scart in the past but now i use component for my Wii and DVD player.

If you have a progressive screen and player go component.

The Wii looks fantastic running over component and 480p everything is sharper over the RGB scart that you can use.

Thanks

Dal

Last edited by w3dal : 09-03-2007 at 12:34.

soulboy77 · 09-03-2007, 12:37

Analogue video in ascending order of quality:
- Composite
- S-Video
- RGB
- Component

jbauerctu · 09-03-2007, 12:44

Cool thanks for the replies!!!!

I've just been trying to figure out what's best to use!

I've got a philips 32" HD LCD and treated myself to a RGB Scart and can't notice that much of a difference when connected throgh my telewest box! I'm still miffed that SD looks terrible through it.

Anyway I was also was looking at a 360 and noticed that it doen't support HDMI?! I take it component is the best connection to a HDTV with a 360?

The only thing it is that the manual for my TV states that HD is only available via HDMI?!

I'm confused now to be honest. I assume if I connect via Component and set the 360 to 720p it'll display it in HD 720?

Is it me being really thick or am I not the only one confused?

Nigel Goodwin · 09-03-2007, 13:00

Component provides HD on all the HD TV's I've seen.

Nigel Goodwin · 09-03-2007, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulboy77

Analogue video in ascending order of quality:
- Composite
- S-Video
- RGB
- Component

OK, except for the last two, which are the wrong way round - RGB is what you start with, and is what you end up with on the screen - so RGB obviously gives the best possible quality. Component is one stage lower than that, with only slight encoding - but as I said above, there's no source of RGB quality signals that you can use (except for computers).

As with anything, results will vary depending on the processing in the sets and the sources, so try both and see which you prefer.

Notice that computer monitors use RGB, and NOT component, as they need the best quality possible.

jbauerctu · 09-03-2007, 13:54

I've only just worked out today that Composite is different to component! LOL

w3dal · 09-03-2007, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbauerctu

I've only just worked out today that Composite is different to component! LOL

you would notice the difference between component and composite.

i would go component on your Xbox fella -

Dal

Nigel Goodwin · 09-03-2007, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by w3dal

you would notice the difference between component and composite.

i would go component on your Xbox fella -

Doesn't the Xbox 360 output HD?, so you need the Component connection for that to work.

jbauerctu · 09-03-2007, 14:59

I think that is what he's saying?

niall campbell · 09-03-2007, 15:12

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/sy...vgahdcable.htm

this vga cable reckons is 1080p

you might want to hang off to see if x-box 360 hd players will change to hdmi

unless the telly you looking/ have has vga connection. Seems wacky to me the 360 hasnt got hdmi/ dvi connection

this is another cable for hd
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x...le/default.htm

w3dal · 09-03-2007, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbauerctu

I think that is what he's saying?

You can only get HD out of component or VGA for the 360. RGB scart is not any use for you on your HD Tv.

some say VGA looks slightly better than component i would say component looks better, guess it down to you screen

for a HD VGA cable have a looky here -

http://www.techfocus.co.uk/pages/pro...ookie%5Ftest=1

Good Luck

Dal

Nigel Goodwin · 09-03-2007, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by w3dal

You can only get HD out of component or VGA for the 360. RGB scart is not any use for you on your HD Tv.

No, not for HD - HD is essentially American, and they never really used RGB - so RGB SCART has never been HD enabled. Although the VGA input is analogue RGB just the same, and is HD.

Quote:

some say VGA looks slightly better than component i would say component looks better, guess it down to you screen

Like anything, it depends on the exact set and source, but there should be hardly any difference between the two, or with HDMI either.

w3dal · 09-03-2007, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbauerctu

I think that is what he's saying?

So if your gonna knock RGB scart on the head for your xbox and you dont have a VGA port go for this component lead or similar -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xbox-360-Com.../dp/B000AYYADO

so with this your have the option of High-definition gaming output of 720p or 1080i - assuming your Screen will take those values.

well worth if for less than 20 quid.

Enjoy fella.

Dal

ntlhellworld · 09-03-2007, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by w3dal

Dont quite agree with that. I have seen a remarkable improvement since using component from my DVD player to my plasma screen. I have always used RGB scart in the past but now i use component for my Wii and DVD player.

Component is better for DVD players because it is progressive scan.

However component is not full RGB, the red green and blue cables do not carry the full red green and blue information that scart can carry.

For SD (actuall sd, not progressive scan SD DVDs) a fully wired RGB scart would be better.

-Chris

soulboy77 · 09-03-2007, 21:15

Clarification - DVD's encode a Component video signal in digital format. Since this is the native video format that is stored then this is also the best format to use to display the picture.

For equipment that derive Component from the RGB Video then this will be slightly inferior.

Also, PC RGB is totally different from TV RGB.

Nigel Goodwin · 09-03-2007, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulboy77

Clarification - DVD's encode a Component video signal in digital format. Since this is the native video format that is stored then this is also the best format to use to display the picture.

Shouldn't make any real difference, the TV converts the Component to RGB inside anyway - doing it in the DVD player only changes the point where you do the conversion to RGB. But as I said previously, the encoding is VERY slight anyway, so component in only really theoretically worse, and not at all unless you have an RGB source.

Quote:

For equipment that derive Component from the RGB Video then this will be slightly inferior.

Also, PC RGB is totally different from TV RGB.

No, it's analogue RGB+sync just the same, although PC uses seperate syncs rather than combined ones - the line and frame frequencies are usually completely different (as TV is a very low spec), but essentially they are extremely similar.

soulboy77 · 09-03-2007, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

No, it's analogue RGB+sync just the same, although PC uses seperate syncs rather than combined ones - the line and frame frequencies are usually completely different (as TV is a very low spec), but essentially they are extremely similar.

The same but different!

Nigel Goodwin · 10-03-2007, 09:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulboy77

The same but different!

Only to the extent that HD and SD are different, but connect through the same socket - there's no technical reason that VGA and SCART RGB couldn't be made interchangeable, and have HD via RGB SCART. It's just that the Americans don't use RGB SCART so it's never been done, and as long as a set has Component it doesn't really matter anyway!.

-GONZO- · 10-03-2007, 17:30

I found this on another site for your information.
Component Video vs RGB

Is component video better than RGB? Well, yes and no, RGB provides the widest bandwidth and is the best choice for connecting audio visual devices like a Freeview box, digibox or Sky+ box to your TV, home cinema or home theatre system. DVD is however different, to reduce the amount of storage required DVDs are recorded using component video, it is therefore better to connect a DVD player via a component video cable to your TV, plasma or LCD TV etc.

09-03-2007, 11:29	#1
jbauerctu Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 147	Component connection? This may sound like a stupid question but is a comonent connection better than RGB Scart?

09-03-2007, 15:12	#13
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/sy...vgahdcable.htm this vga cable reckons is 1080p you might want to hang off to see if x-box 360 hd players will change to hdmi unless the telly you looking/ have has vga connection. Seems wacky to me the 360 hasnt got hdmi/ dvi connection this is another cable for hd http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x...le/default.htm Last edited by niall campbell : 09-03-2007 at 15:21.

09-03-2007, 11:52	#2
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by jbauerctu This may sound like a stupid question but is a comonent connection better than RGB Scart? No, RGB is the highest possible SD connection, but component is only fractionally inferior - and you wouldn't notice any difference as there's no RGB quality sources available anyway.

09-03-2007, 12:29	#3
Brido Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 60	Component out performs RGB on both my 360 and DVD player....I'd go with component every time!

09-03-2007, 12:32	#4
w3dal Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: /system/share/w3dal Posts: 315	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin No, RGB is the highest possible SD connection, but component is only fractionally inferior - and you wouldn't notice any difference as there's no RGB quality sources available anyway. Dont quite agree with that. I have seen a remarkable improvement since using component from my DVD player to my plasma screen. I have always used RGB scart in the past but now i use component for my Wii and DVD player. If you have a progressive screen and player go component. The Wii looks fantastic running over component and 480p everything is sharper over the RGB scart that you can use. Thanks Dal Last edited by w3dal : 09-03-2007 at 12:34.

09-03-2007, 12:37	#5
soulboy77 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Herts Posts: 17,005	Analogue video in ascending order of quality: - Composite - S-Video - RGB - Component

09-03-2007, 12:44	#6
jbauerctu Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 147	Cool thanks for the replies!!!! I've just been trying to figure out what's best to use! I've got a philips 32" HD LCD and treated myself to a RGB Scart and can't notice that much of a difference when connected throgh my telewest box! I'm still miffed that SD looks terrible through it. Anyway I was also was looking at a 360 and noticed that it doen't support HDMI?! I take it component is the best connection to a HDTV with a 360? The only thing it is that the manual for my TV states that HD is only available via HDMI?! I'm confused now to be honest. I assume if I connect via Component and set the 360 to 720p it'll display it in HD 720? Is it me being really thick or am I not the only one confused?

09-03-2007, 13:00	#7
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Component provides HD on all the HD TV's I've seen.

09-03-2007, 13:04	#8
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by soulboy77 Analogue video in ascending order of quality: - Composite - S-Video - RGB - Component OK, except for the last two, which are the wrong way round - RGB is what you start with, and is what you end up with on the screen - so RGB obviously gives the best possible quality. Component is one stage lower than that, with only slight encoding - but as I said above, there's no source of RGB quality signals that you can use (except for computers). As with anything, results will vary depending on the processing in the sets and the sources, so try both and see which you prefer. Notice that computer monitors use RGB, and NOT component, as they need the best quality possible.

09-03-2007, 13:54	#9
jbauerctu Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 147	I've only just worked out today that Composite is different to component! LOL

09-03-2007, 14:11	#10
w3dal Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: /system/share/w3dal Posts: 315	Quote: Originally Posted by jbauerctu I've only just worked out today that Composite is different to component! LOL you would notice the difference between component and composite. i would go component on your Xbox fella - Dal

09-03-2007, 14:55	#11
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by w3dal you would notice the difference between component and composite. i would go component on your Xbox fella - Doesn't the Xbox 360 output HD?, so you need the Component connection for that to work.

09-03-2007, 14:59	#12
jbauerctu Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 147	I think that is what he's saying?

09-03-2007, 15:51	#14
w3dal Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: /system/share/w3dal Posts: 315	Quote: Originally Posted by jbauerctu I think that is what he's saying? You can only get HD out of component or VGA for the 360. RGB scart is not any use for you on your HD Tv. some say VGA looks slightly better than component i would say component looks better, guess it down to you screen for a HD VGA cable have a looky here - http://www.techfocus.co.uk/pages/pro...ookie%5Ftest=1 Good Luck Dal

09-03-2007, 16:58	#15
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by w3dal You can only get HD out of component or VGA for the 360. RGB scart is not any use for you on your HD Tv. No, not for HD - HD is essentially American, and they never really used RGB - so RGB SCART has never been HD enabled. Although the VGA input is analogue RGB just the same, and is HD. Quote: some say VGA looks slightly better than component i would say component looks better, guess it down to you screen Like anything, it depends on the exact set and source, but there should be hardly any difference between the two, or with HDMI either.

09-03-2007, 17:26	#16
w3dal Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: /system/share/w3dal Posts: 315	Quote: Originally Posted by jbauerctu I think that is what he's saying? So if your gonna knock RGB scart on the head for your xbox and you dont have a VGA port go for this component lead or similar - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xbox-360-Com.../dp/B000AYYADO so with this your have the option of High-definition gaming output of 720p or 1080i - assuming your Screen will take those values. well worth if for less than 20 quid. Enjoy fella. Dal

09-03-2007, 20:17	#17
ntlhellworld Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,649	Quote: Originally Posted by w3dal Dont quite agree with that. I have seen a remarkable improvement since using component from my DVD player to my plasma screen. I have always used RGB scart in the past but now i use component for my Wii and DVD player. Component is better for DVD players because it is progressive scan. However component is not full RGB, the red green and blue cables do not carry the full red green and blue information that scart can carry. For SD (actuall sd, not progressive scan SD DVDs) a fully wired RGB scart would be better. -Chris

09-03-2007, 21:15	#18
soulboy77 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Herts Posts: 17,005	Clarification - DVD's encode a Component video signal in digital format. Since this is the native video format that is stored then this is also the best format to use to display the picture. For equipment that derive Component from the RGB Video then this will be slightly inferior. Also, PC RGB is totally different from TV RGB.

09-03-2007, 21:40	#19
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by soulboy77 Clarification - DVD's encode a Component video signal in digital format. Since this is the native video format that is stored then this is also the best format to use to display the picture. Shouldn't make any real difference, the TV converts the Component to RGB inside anyway - doing it in the DVD player only changes the point where you do the conversion to RGB. But as I said previously, the encoding is VERY slight anyway, so component in only really theoretically worse, and not at all unless you have an RGB source. Quote: For equipment that derive Component from the RGB Video then this will be slightly inferior. Also, PC RGB is totally different from TV RGB. No, it's analogue RGB+sync just the same, although PC uses seperate syncs rather than combined ones - the line and frame frequencies are usually completely different (as TV is a very low spec), but essentially they are extremely similar.

09-03-2007, 21:52	#20
soulboy77 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Herts Posts: 17,005	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin No, it's analogue RGB+sync just the same, although PC uses seperate syncs rather than combined ones - the line and frame frequencies are usually completely different (as TV is a very low spec), but essentially they are extremely similar. The same but different!

10-03-2007, 09:21	#21
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by soulboy77 The same but different! Only to the extent that HD and SD are different, but connect through the same socket - there's no technical reason that VGA and SCART RGB couldn't be made interchangeable, and have HD via RGB SCART. It's just that the Americans don't use RGB SCART so it's never been done, and as long as a set has Component it doesn't really matter anyway!.

10-03-2007, 17:30	#22
-GONZO- Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 8,954	I found this on another site for your information. Component Video vs RGB Is component video better than RGB? Well, yes and no, RGB provides the widest bandwidth and is the best choice for connecting audio visual devices like a Freeview box, digibox or Sky+ box to your TV, home cinema or home theatre system. DVD is however different, to reduce the amount of storage required DVDs are recorded using component video, it is therefore better to connect a DVD player via a component video cable to your TV, plasma or LCD TV etc.

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