Thery aren't good witnesses though. David is a total liar and will be shown to be just that and Claire only know what Tracey told her, and what Tracey made her believe because she's so silly and gullible.
Why would Tracey, who put her down and made fun of her at every opportunity suddenly want to be her best friend and confidante? Is Claire really meant to be so stupid?

I dont think she's meant to be stupid but a bit soft, compared to tracy and someone like leanne shes not as sharp, just a bit gullible i think, and thats why tracy took advantage of that. great target for tracy

I don't think Claire was stupid at all, or even gullible - I think Tracey was extremely plausible and, in Claire's situation, given Charlie's history, anyone would have believed Tracey.

Well to be honest she wasn't that clever either, there were a few occasions that claire thought charlie locked tracy in the house and when charlie wasnt even in the house and times when she would scream wih the iron business and again charlie was'nt even at home, them kinds of things make her a bit slow and a bit soft aswell as gullible.
to be honest if that happened in real life and heard all them noises and screams, you try to find out if the other person is at home, if you know what i mean, i would not like to just go and accuse without proper proof, but maybe claires character has been portrayed like that.
Imagine if that happened in real life, it's quite scary.

Didn't think this was worth starting a new thread for so -

Why does tracy called her step father, ken, "dad", yet peter calls his step mother, deidre, by her name??

I know it's not earth shattering, but still, it's a bit strange.

Tracey was brought up by Ken as his daughter - Peter was older and didn't live with Ken and Deirdre so I suppose he never thought of Deirdre as him mum ?

I think because he's brought her up and always been there for her, shes always seen him as a father figure.
as for peter saying deidre is probably because hes spent less time with deidre and more time with his biological mother and probably not seen deidre as much, dont know for sure, sorry

Also Ken legally adopted Tracy when she was no more than 6 or 7. So although not his dad by birth he is her dad in the eyes of the law.

He's always done alot for tracy, and he's still doing alot for her now, spoilt b---h

He may well lose his house. So in a way it would be better for her to win the court case and get her justdesserts another way.

You cant kill someone cos they cheated on ya!

Ye, she WELL over-reacted

Charlie was a mental-abuser but he did it in a way he technically, lawfully was doing nothing wrong.

Tracy is a calculating **** and I thought Deirdrie would have more sense.

His "biological" mother, Valerie, was electrocuted when he was about 5 or thereabouts and he and his twin sister, Susan, were brought up in Scotland by their grandmother.

no sorry i dont agree, i think she should get sent down as what she did was a horrible thing, cold blooded murder.
It's quite sad as i don't want ken to lose his house, you work hard all your life and then it comes to this

Really, I didn't know that, thanks.

My pleasure ! My purpose is only to serve

lol, nice to know someone has a purpose

Yes so maybe she wins the Court case but gets shunned by her own family and banished aboard leaving her daughter behind. No money, no family, no friends and no where to live. Prison wasn't such a bad choice after all...

As has been mentioned, Peter's mum Val died when he was 5. So Ken, ever the loving Dad, got rid of him and his twin sister Susan by sending them to live with Val's parents in Scotland for the rest of their life, basically! Or until they grew up and lived their own lives. To do that to two little kids mourning their mum shows just what kind of father Ken is!

Peter was only ever seen visiting Ken occasionally in the 70's. Twice, I think. The first time after he married Deirdre was 1986 for his 21st (he was played by David from Heartbeat then!) and he wasn't seen after that until this Peter came to live in the street in 2000. So Deirdre and Peter were virtual strangers, only meeting once after she married Ken, (he wasn't at their 1981 wedding and she didn't go to his 1990 wedding) before 2000. You never heard of them meeting him away from the street either. So even though he lost his mother when he was 5, Deirdre has certainly never been a mother substitute, he only met her a couple of times. She's only 10 years older than him, as well.

maybe, but just this ever happened in real life, and a man was killed just like charlie, same circumstances, in my eyes that would be unfair as that means women can murder men and get away with, to me there is no justice done

I was only thinking of poor Ken and Deidre who would lose everything and have no where to live.
Maybe she gets off but then gets framed and convicted for something she didn't do. Now that would be justiced served (although turned on it's head). Can you hear Tracy yelling that she is not guilty but no one believes her because of last time...

i dont know, maybe ken has changed in his old age bless him, look what hes doing or tracy, maybe he regrets ever getting involved with mother and daughter, maybe its an punishment for leaving his kids and sending them of to thier grandparents, surley if could raise tracy up as his own, then he could have bought back peter and susan and got deidre to help him bring up the twins as well as toxic, but end of the day its a soap.

thanks for that bit of history between ken and his family

I know you was, im sorry lol.
It would be very good if that happened, gets convicted for something that she did not do, and shouts im innocent and no on believes her, then that would be fair, charlie would be dancing in his grave and shouting yes, get the b---h, LOL

When Deirdre wanted them to have a baby in 1982 he said no, one of the reasons being he said he'd been a bad enough Dad to the twins without repeating it with another of his own children. He obviously changes his mind 12 years later when Denise was pregnant!

He was 31 when Val died, just a young man. He was 46 when he adopted Toxic. You wonder (in a real life way) what his 20 year old kids thought at that time about that. So keen to be a father to someone else's kid he adopts her, yet he practically abandoned his own kids when they were younger than Toxic was when he adopted her (she was 8).

Not a model of fatherhood, our Ken!

When he married Janet in 1972 or 73, he only did it so the twins could have a mother and he could get them back - so he said. When she realised this, she made it clear she wanted nothing to do with the twins, they stayed where they were, and the marriage didn't last.
Clearly Corrie didn't believe in single fathers!
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Hes not is he, when you see a ken you think hes the most decent and most perfect father figure, and maybe now he is, but when you look at his past it makes your blood boil as what he did to his children and soon after adopted someone elses child.

Ken was a very different animal in the 1960s and 1970s. He was young, rebelled against his father and loved chasing 'skirt'. He changed into the gentle, kind man we know today when he married Deidre (although it did'nt stop them both having affairs). I suppose he felt he couldn't cope with his chidren at that time and by the time the reformed Ken arrived it was too late. He paid the price. The Barlow children have been terrible. Susan married his arch enemy breaking her father's heart and then ran off to Scotland and lied about having a baby. Peter came back to live with his father and caused mayhem. Married 2 women, lied and cheated. As for his adopted daughter, Tracy, we all know is the worse of the lot. So maybe having Ken as your dad is a curse and he has a much younger son out there doesn't he. Born in the early 1990's. The grandchildren don't seem too bad yet so there is hope for Adam and Amy. Although if Adam turned to the 'Dark Side' it might make him interesting
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