pioneer PDP-427XD Plasma Vs 1080p Xbox 360

ceemo · 14-03-2007, 19:10

I have the abov pioneer but dont seem to be able to run my xbox 360 at 1080p even though my tv supports it. The highest i seem to be able to go is 720p. When i select 1080p the screen goes blank and then reverts back after 10 secs just like if a PC monitor is not supported.

Ive tried running it with a vga cable and a hdmi cable.

Anyone got any ideas?

WorsleyBaz · 14-03-2007, 20:58

The Xbox 360 doesn't support 1080p, only 1080i afaik.

ntlhellworld · 14-03-2007, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorsleyBaz

The Xbox 360 doesn't support 1080p, only 1080i afaik.

*slap*

Yes it does. Otherwise he wouldent have been able to set his 360 to output in 1080p now would he ?

The reason you cannot watch in 1080p is because the pioneer PDP-427XD is a 1024x768 resolution TV. It doesnt have enough pixels for 1080p.

-Chris

meltcity · 14-03-2007, 23:39

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Originally Posted by ntlhellworld

The reason you cannot watch in 1080p is because the pioneer PDP-427XD is a 1024x768 resolution TV. It doesnt have enough pixels for 1080p.

-Chris

No, that's not it.

The PDP-427XD does accept 1080p, but only at 24 frames per second. The Xbox 360 outputs HD-DVD movies in 1080p at 60 frames per second, hence the black screen.

Last edited by meltcity : 14-03-2007 at 23:44.

LordXenon · 15-03-2007, 00:41

Your TV is 1080p compatible, but will downscale to 720p, that's why.

ntlhellworld · 16-03-2007, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by meltcity

No, that's not it.

The PDP-427XD does accept 1080p, but only at 24 frames per second. The Xbox 360 outputs HD-DVD movies in 1080p at 60 frames per second, hence the black screen.

Ah ok dident know that. Still only has 1024x768 pixels though - so it wont show any form of 1080p anyway, only downscaled video.

-Chris

ceemo · 16-03-2007, 22:12

looking in the manual it says that pioneer will accept (1024*7268 @ uoto 75hz or 1360*768 up t 60hz) with a vga cable or with hdmi (which xbox 360 doesnt do as yet) 1920*1080p@24hz

will it run at 1080ponce hdmi cable is realeased on 360? or does it only outpur at 60hz as above

ceemo · 29-03-2007, 16:49

anyone know this yet? as ill get a hdmi cable as soon as they are released if so?

FlatProblem · 29-03-2007, 17:01

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Originally Posted by ceemo

anyone know this yet? as ill get a hdmi cable as soon as they are released if so?

There is HDMI on the Elite version of the XBox 360, so I'd guess there isnt going to be an HDMI cable for the Core / Premium version

ceemo · 29-03-2007, 17:17

whats the diff between elite and premiun? i got the package with the HD etc

Do you know if the hdmi cable will allow me to play at 1080p?

meltcity · 29-03-2007, 20:50

As mentioned above - and you confirmed it with the specs you printed! - you will never get to play games in 1080p from the Xbox 360 because of the frame rate incompatibility. Your TV wants 1080p24; the 360 outputs 1080p60 only.

A future Xbox 360 firmware update may add support for 1080p24 for HD-DVD movies, but you will never be able to play games at that frame rate: it's too slow.

ceemo · 29-03-2007, 21:51

well thats a shit isnt it. are they ever likley to develop a frame rate for games at 24?

meltcity · 29-03-2007, 23:00

No, but I really wouldn't worry about it too much.

AIUI Xbox 360 games are developed at 720p resolution, so all the console would be doing most of the time is upscaling 720p to 1080p. This might be useful if you have a 1080p native screen, but not if you have a 720p or 768p one.

The best looking PS3 game I have seen so far is Motor Storm, and it's 720p native (the PS3 doesn't upscale).

FlatProblem · 30-03-2007, 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceemo

whats the diff between elite and premiun? i got the package with the HD etc

Do you know if the hdmi cable will allow me to play at 1080p?

Its black, its got a bigger hard disk, and its got HDMI.

And its out in the US in summer.

meltcity · 30-03-2007, 20:58

I wonder where Microsoft got the idea for the black version from?

ceemo · 31-03-2007, 20:06

do you know what the ps3 outputs at, will that work @ 1080p with my tv?

is there anyway to convert the xbox picture to 24hz

meltcity · 31-03-2007, 23:08

The PS3 is like the 360 in that it outputs 1080p at 60fps (some games are 720p only).

Are you particularly unhappy with the picture you are receiving from the 360? Maybe you need to adjust your TV settings. My local John Lewis uses your Pioneer to demo the PS3 and Blu-ray, and I noticed that the colour and brightness settings were obviously too high on the display model (lurid colours and dark greys instead of black) while the sharpness was too low (the picture was a little bit soft). A few simple adjustments would dramatically improve the picture quality.

While several LCD manufacturers may now offer full 1080p TVs I would still choose a plasma such as yours over LCD because of their superior colorimetry, contrast, black levels (when adjusted correctly) and motion tracking, all of which are more important to determining definition than raw pixel counts.

ntlhellworld · 31-03-2007, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceemo

is there anyway to convert the xbox picture to 24hz

The higher resolution is not going to make the picture better - your TV is not 1080P. The fact that it accepts a 1080P picture is just so that you can watch HD-DVD or blue-ray movies without interlacing.

The 360s internal GPU runs at 720P, it just upscales this if you set it to output at anything higher. If you set the 360 to output at 1080p it would upscale it, then the TV would have to downscale it - twice downgrading the picture.

The best you are going to get from your TV is to set it the 360 to 720P. Ignore the higher number of 1080p, in your case its no better because your TV cannot produce that resolution.

-Chris

14-03-2007, 19:10	#1
ceemo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 87	pioneer PDP-427XD Plasma Vs 1080p Xbox 360 I have the abov pioneer but dont seem to be able to run my xbox 360 at 1080p even though my tv supports it. The highest i seem to be able to go is 720p. When i select 1080p the screen goes blank and then reverts back after 10 secs just like if a PC monitor is not supported. Ive tried running it with a vga cable and a hdmi cable. Anyone got any ideas?

16-03-2007, 22:12	#7
ceemo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 87	manual looking in the manual it says that pioneer will accept (10247268 @ uoto 75hz or 1360768 up t 60hz) with a vga cable or with hdmi (which xbox 360 doesnt do as yet) 1920*1080p@24hz will it run at 1080ponce hdmi cable is realeased on 360? or does it only outpur at 60hz as above

29-03-2007, 20:50	#11
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	As mentioned above - and you confirmed it with the specs you printed! - you will never get to play games in 1080p from the Xbox 360 because of the frame rate incompatibility. Your TV wants 1080p24; the 360 outputs 1080p60 only. A future Xbox 360 firmware update may add support for 1080p24 for HD-DVD movies, but you will never be able to play games at that frame rate: it's too slow. Last edited by meltcity : 29-03-2007 at 20:53.

29-03-2007, 23:00	#13
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	No, but I really wouldn't worry about it too much. AIUI Xbox 360 games are developed at 720p resolution, so all the console would be doing most of the time is upscaling 720p to 1080p. This might be useful if you have a 1080p native screen, but not if you have a 720p or 768p one. The best looking PS3 game I have seen so far is Motor Storm, and it's 720p native (the PS3 doesn't upscale). Last edited by meltcity : 29-03-2007 at 23:02.

31-03-2007, 20:06	#16
ceemo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 87	ps3 do you know what the ps3 outputs at, will that work @ 1080p with my tv? is there anyway to convert the xbox picture to 24hz

14-03-2007, 20:58	#2
WorsleyBaz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 57	The Xbox 360 doesn't support 1080p, only 1080i afaik.

14-03-2007, 22:25	#3
ntlhellworld Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,649	Quote: Originally Posted by WorsleyBaz The Xbox 360 doesn't support 1080p, only 1080i afaik. slap Yes it does. Otherwise he wouldent have been able to set his 360 to output in 1080p now would he ? The reason you cannot watch in 1080p is because the pioneer PDP-427XD is a 1024x768 resolution TV. It doesnt have enough pixels for 1080p. -Chris

14-03-2007, 23:39	#4
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	Quote: Originally Posted by ntlhellworld The reason you cannot watch in 1080p is because the pioneer PDP-427XD is a 1024x768 resolution TV. It doesnt have enough pixels for 1080p. -Chris No, that's not it. The PDP-427XD does accept 1080p, but only at 24 frames per second. The Xbox 360 outputs HD-DVD movies in 1080p at 60 frames per second, hence the black screen. Last edited by meltcity : 14-03-2007 at 23:44.

15-03-2007, 00:41	#5
LordXenon Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,406	Your TV is 1080p compatible, but will downscale to 720p, that's why.

16-03-2007, 18:47	#6
ntlhellworld Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,649	Quote: Originally Posted by meltcity No, that's not it. The PDP-427XD does accept 1080p, but only at 24 frames per second. The Xbox 360 outputs HD-DVD movies in 1080p at 60 frames per second, hence the black screen. Ah ok dident know that. Still only has 1024x768 pixels though - so it wont show any form of 1080p anyway, only downscaled video. -Chris

29-03-2007, 16:49	#8
ceemo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 87	anyone know this yet? as ill get a hdmi cable as soon as they are released if so?

29-03-2007, 17:01	#9
FlatProblem Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Harrogate, North Yorkshire Posts: 901	Quote: Originally Posted by ceemo anyone know this yet? as ill get a hdmi cable as soon as they are released if so? There is HDMI on the Elite version of the XBox 360, so I'd guess there isnt going to be an HDMI cable for the Core / Premium version

29-03-2007, 17:17	#10
ceemo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 87	whats the diff between elite and premiun? i got the package with the HD etc Do you know if the hdmi cable will allow me to play at 1080p?

29-03-2007, 21:51	#12
ceemo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 87	well thats a shit isnt it. are they ever likley to develop a frame rate for games at 24?

30-03-2007, 10:19	#14
FlatProblem Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Harrogate, North Yorkshire Posts: 901	Quote: Originally Posted by ceemo whats the diff between elite and premiun? i got the package with the HD etc Do you know if the hdmi cable will allow me to play at 1080p? Its black, its got a bigger hard disk, and its got HDMI. And its out in the US in summer.

30-03-2007, 20:58	#15
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	I wonder where Microsoft got the idea for the black version from?

31-03-2007, 23:08	#17
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	The PS3 is like the 360 in that it outputs 1080p at 60fps (some games are 720p only). Are you particularly unhappy with the picture you are receiving from the 360? Maybe you need to adjust your TV settings. My local John Lewis uses your Pioneer to demo the PS3 and Blu-ray, and I noticed that the colour and brightness settings were obviously too high on the display model (lurid colours and dark greys instead of black) while the sharpness was too low (the picture was a little bit soft). A few simple adjustments would dramatically improve the picture quality. While several LCD manufacturers may now offer full 1080p TVs I would still choose a plasma such as yours over LCD because of their superior colorimetry, contrast, black levels (when adjusted correctly) and motion tracking, all of which are more important to determining definition than raw pixel counts. Last edited by meltcity : 31-03-2007 at 23:11.

31-03-2007, 23:33	#18
ntlhellworld Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,649	Quote: Originally Posted by ceemo is there anyway to convert the xbox picture to 24hz The higher resolution is not going to make the picture better - your TV is not 1080P. The fact that it accepts a 1080P picture is just so that you can watch HD-DVD or blue-ray movies without interlacing. The 360s internal GPU runs at 720P, it just upscales this if you set it to output at anything higher. If you set the 360 to output at 1080p it would upscale it, then the TV would have to downscale it - twice downgrading the picture. The best you are going to get from your TV is to set it the 360 to 720P. Ignore the higher number of 1080p, in your case its no better because your TV cannot produce that resolution. -Chris

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