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They spent a lot of time and effort on Ade last year to help him look funny enough to stay - just look at his special effects, make up, song choices. This time they were refused props, given duller songs or songs they were not ready for and put on early when no one was voting for who went early. Richard alone ensured we ended up with no comics in the last 6 by bizarrely keeping Zoe over Mel and Tim. In that case, he actively moved against keeping the comics in.
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The public voting had no pattern other than that anyone who went on early would be in trouble so it would hardly have been wrong to fix who stayed even more by making sure all the comics didn't go on early.
YES IT WOULD BE WRONG. So very wrong to dupe the public into believing that they had control when in fact programme execs did. Quote:
When they did want to make sure people went (Angellica, Zoe, Fred,Colin, Ray) they had no qualms about sticking them on early.
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It just looks to me as if they decided they didn't need comedians and just needed to keep Shaun and Ttricia for some singing and Tara for entertainment. its satisficing rather than maximising what they had and maximising their audience.
Total rubbish - it's the PUBLIC voting that produces the result. Get that clear in your mind and you'll begin to understand that there is no way that you or I can second-guess what the PUBLIC are thinking.
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When they did want to make sure people went (Angellica, Zoe, Fred,Colin, Ray) they had no qualms about sticking them on early.
Have you proof they wanted to make sure people went? Maybe some people voted for the singing? (Shaun & Tricia) and others loved watching Tara? |
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When they did want to make sure people went (Angellica, Zoe, Fred,Colin, Ray) they had no qualms about sticking them on early.
Have you proof they wanted to make sure people went? Maybe some people voted for the singing? (Shaun & Tricia) and others loved watching Tara? The simple fact is that it was a phone and text vote thrown open to the public. The public cannot act as one mind, they voted for many reasons (some of which were voiced on these very forums). Some of the reasons had little to do with singing ability. So please, can we put this to rest? |
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It was an anti climax as it felt rather rushed the final, and we had been so used to seeing it getting played out in an hour. At CR 2005 they handled the final much better, and you had Adrian, who was much missed at this year's. They should've brought back "Drunk" Fame Acaemy and let the likes of Mel and Tim sing which would be so entertaining, but no one could beat Adrian though.
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I cannot agree - "they" do do choose the songs, the artists and vocal coaches do.
YES IT WOULD BE WRONG. So very wrong to dupe the public into believing that they had control when in fact programme execs did. Been reading too many conspiracy theory websites I think. Total rubbish - it's the PUBLIC voting that produces the result. Get that clear in your mind and you'll begin to understand that there is no way that you or I can second-guess what the PUBLIC are thinking. The inevitable consequence of that is the show is perfectly easy to shape- you just put the people you don't want on early with either someone else who has to go or someone the judges and students will keep. In this show for whatever bizarre reason thats what was happening - the students and coaches note it early on,. The result is that Colin, Ray, Angellica, Fred, Mel, Tim all go when they are on early. The system works perfectly, the judges with some predictable help from the students save the singers Tricia and Shaun and the entertainer Tara for the final stages. Programme execs always control their shows as best they can. They want to produce reasonably good TV not a final with no one who can sing left. Students may suggest 50 songs but its always been the case on FA that who does what when is decided higher up the food chain - thats why there are so many student complaints and the compalints were not about Carrie and David. There is always a reality TV story to push or a person to edit a different way (listen to Colin complaining about it) or someone the judges are being nasty to to create an story and get some votes. The public decides - but like on BB it gets told who to vote for and why and here it voted so predictably randomly that it was perfectly possible to determine who went when as long as you diidn't want someone out the students would always save. Last edited by thenetworkbabe : 19-03-2007 at 04:16. |
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Sorry, can't accept that you can "shape" how the public votes - they do not pick up the phone or text messages with one mind. They do not phone at the same time. They all have different thoughts, different priorities, different hopes, different problems. They watch different programmes, read (or not) different newspapers.
The public do NOT act as a single-minded entity, especially on something as short-lived as CFA (unless you are a member of the All-England Conspiracies Club, which I am not )
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I just thought it was funny that the girl who could not sing won Fame Academy and can Tara (bless her, I do like her) sing anything else but These Boots Are Made For Walking!! It seems to be the only song she can "sing" in key!! I was disappointed that she did that song AGAIN for the Final. I liked her singing "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow". I think her songs were hand-picked to show her tortured soul as that is how she is preceived by the public!! She is so vulnerable but I hope she uses this chance she now has (and popularity with the public) in a postive way and does not blow it by being totally off the wall during TV interviews etc. I heard she was previously dropped as a TV presenter cos you had no idea how she would turn up and was totally unpredictable during the shows!! There is something appealing about her and I felt so sorry for her when she was so distressed about being in the last three with her parents in the audience.etc!! Well at least she does not need the money!!
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Sorry, can't accept that you can "shape" how the public votes - they do not pick up the phone or text messages with one mind. They do not phone at the same time. They all have different thoughts, different priorities, different hopes, different problems. They watch different programmes, read (or not) different newspapers.
The public do NOT act as a single-minded entity, especially on something as short-lived as CFA (unless you are a member of the All-England Conspiracies Club, which I am not )You are right that the public acts like crowds do in political theory - it takes unpredictable and illogical actions, but in this case you only needed to have one or two voting results to predict what the trend of the series is. Some factors llike the antii-judge vote are well known now as is the public liking for the underdog . I don't think anyone would argue that Richard Park or Simon Cowell are being nasty for any other reason than to put in that vote. TV programmers can probably tell you why the trend is that way on CFA too - I suspect the timing of the soaps on ITV has more to do with who is watching early and voting on CFA than anything else. The idea that you can't shape what the public thinks runs contrary to all experience of advertising, marketing, political argument and reality TV shows. Advertisers, spin doctors , journalists, bookies and Endemol producers earn very large salaries because you can shape what the public think. , If you can create stories on Big Brother that turn people into saints and national hate figures and ensure that people are voted out so they can be voted back, its perfectly possible to predict who will go if you put them on early on CFA and who has a story that will run to the winning post. |
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