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Old 20-03-2007, 00:33
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I'm expected to be shot down by music fans everywhere here, but here me out.

To me they are the most overrated band in history. They are no better or worse than McFly/Busted. Most of the fans in their day were screaming females..similar to that of boybands today.

Some of their songs were just ludicrous (Yellow Submarine, I am The Walrus to name two)...oh and they created the worst kareoke song in history in Hey Jude.

Add to that that Paul McCartney is the most egotistical man in music...and it adds to the reasons why I don't like them at all.

Part of me thinks people only like them because everyone says you should.
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Old 20-03-2007, 00:41
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
I'm expected to be shot down by music fans everywhere here, but here me out.

To me they are the most overrated band in history. They are no better or worse than McFly/Busted. Most of the fans in their day were screaming females..similar to that of boybands today.

Some of their songs were just ludicrous (Yellow Submarine, I am The Walrus to name two)...oh and they created the worst kareoke song in history in Hey Jude.

Add to that that Paul McCartney is the most egotistical man in music...and it adds to the reasons why I don't like them at all.

Part of me thinks people only like them because everyone says you should.
Ouch!

"I Am The Walrus" is only ludicrous by its title and lyrics. Other than that, its a brilliant piece of music.

Their fans weren't just screaming girls, that only made up the early part of their 8 years together. They are most memorable for their studio works.

Their most recent album "Love" shows just how eclectic the group is, nobody offers more variety paired with catchiness. They are truly unbeatable and why there is so much fuss about them. Its easy to miss the hype if your knowledge of them is small and comparable to McFly...
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Old 20-03-2007, 00:50
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Originally Posted by BeatleGod
Ouch!

"I Am The Walrus" is only ludicrous by its title and lyrics. Other than that, its a brilliant piece of music.

Their fans weren't just screaming girls, that only made up the early part of their 8 years together. They are most memorable for their studio works.

Their most recent album "Love" shows just how eclectic the group is, nobody offers more variety paired with catchiness. They are truly unbeatable and why there is so much fuss about them. Its easy to miss the hype if your knowledge of them is small and comparable to McFly...
It's not really that small. I had them forced down my throat by my dad as I was growing up, and I could probbaly sing a lot of the to you without even realising it. I just don't undersatdn the hype or how someone can say they are better than any of the bands that are out today.
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Old 20-03-2007, 00:55
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
It's not really that small. I had them forced down my throat by my dad as I was growing up, and I could probbaly sing a lot of the to you without even realising it. I just don't undersatdn the hype or how someone can say they are better than any of the bands that are out today.
Anything that is "forced down your throat" as a kid won't be appreciated! ha....that sounds dodge.

You have to discover the music for yourself, rather than as a reluctant listener in the background. In any case, The Beatles recorded 250+ songs....you may be able to sing/hum some of their singles, but they have far more depth to them than you could imagine at this moment.

Why do you think so many bands today suck up to The Beatles so much and in awe of them? Those Beatles had the skills to pay the bills
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Old 20-03-2007, 00:56
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I've never heard anything by McFly until I caught them t'other night on Jeremy Clarkson's thing..........

I thought they were quite good............


If they can keep that up for 7/8 years, produce 10 outstanding albums and 20-30 smash number one singles............well, who knows..........
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Old 20-03-2007, 00:59
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What kind of music you into Super_Steve?
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Old 20-03-2007, 01:03
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Originally Posted by swingaleg
I've never heard anything by McFly until I caught them t'other night on Jeremy Clarkson's thing..........

I thought they were quite good............


If they can keep that up for 7/8 years, produce 10 outstanding albums and 20-30 smash number one singles............well, who knows..........
They may be the beatles of this generation

I do admit that a few of their songs sound quite beatlesque and they are obviously heavily influenced, especially All About You, which had that been recorded 40 years ago could easily have passed for a beatles tune

In regard to the thread as a whole i think the beatles were a huge influence on the music world and still are, i can appreciate what they did for music and how they influenced many who followed, but at the end of the day if you don't like them you don't like them no one holds a gun to your head
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Old 20-03-2007, 01:08
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Originally Posted by john-stirling
In regard to the thread as a whole i think the beatles were a huge influence on the music world and still are, i can appreciate what they did for music and how they influenced many who followed, but at the end of the day if you don't like them you don't like them no one holds a gun to your head
Speaking of Guns....could McFly be as great though to carry off a quality and relatively obscure track like "Happiness is a Warm Gun"?

The Beatles had the ability to provide a huge amount of variety in every album they issued. With McFly, they seem to have two gears.....pop/rocky numbers and ballads. Thats where it ends....there are no "Tomorrow Never Knows" or "Helter Skelters" that push boundaries.
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Old 20-03-2007, 01:15
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Originally Posted by BeatleGod
Speaking of Guns....could McFly be as great though to carry off a quality and relatively obscure track like "Happiness is a Warm Gun"?

The Beatles had the ability to provide a huge amount of variety in every album they issued. With McFly, they seem to have two gears.....pop/rocky numbers and ballads. Thats where it ends....there are no "Tomorrow Never Knows" or "Helter Skelters" that push boundaries.
actually did you see mcfly on top gear at the weekend?

They did a very bluesy number specially written for the show and it was rather good.

Could they carry off a song like Happiness is a Warm Gun? I see no reason why not, they do hold that beatles sound that oasis never quite captured.

In fact i'd say they sound more and more like the beatles every time i hear them and if i didn't know any better i'd suggest paul mccartney himself was producing them, or george martin

And i disagree with the comment about variety in every album the beatles issued, a lot of their early work is filled with songs that sound quite similar, it wasn't until later on in their career that they really started to get a proper grip on it, mcfly are where the beatles were around 63/64, so still time for them to grow into the band they want to be, they are still young remember
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Old 20-03-2007, 01:38
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Originally Posted by john-stirling
And i disagree with the comment about variety in every album the beatles issued, a lot of their early work is filled with songs that sound quite similar, it wasn't until later on in their career that they really started to get a proper grip on it, mcfly are where the beatles were around 63/64, so still time for them to grow into the band they want to be, they are still young remember
Everyones been saying that about every band that has come along, and none have delivered! Come on....the closest we've had to the Beatles is Radiohead in terms of creativity. They are far more comparable than McFly. Radiohead's most listened to album during the OK Computer sessions was The White Album, and it shows in many places.

I was referring to the albums from 65-70.....which is the majority of their work. Only 63-64 focused on mainly pop songs and ballads. McFly may have that poppy edge that the fab four early on....but trust me, they are not gonna start producing a "Revolver" with their next album! Think thats a fair assumption.....
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Old 20-03-2007, 08:07
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Originally Posted by john-stirling
They may be the beatles of this generation
If that is the case then God help us all!
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Old 20-03-2007, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
I had them forced down my throat by my dad as I was growing up, and .
that's a shame.
like religion etc if somebody else's views and passions are forced on you when you are young rebellion often follows

your dislike of the beatles is seemingly against your dad's views rather than the group

perhaps the scars go too deep from your childhood's forced diet of the beatles music for any change of thought on your side of what is a collection of some of the best (imo)songs ever penned.

shame on your dad
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Old 20-03-2007, 09:50
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Originally Posted by IndieLove92
If that is the case then God help us all!
lol i'm not a fan of mcfly and when i said that i didn't mean literally of course

I meant that they seem to be heading the same way as the beatles did, starting off with little ditty pop tunes and progressing to deeper music and albums. We don't know where they'll be in 10 years, same as no one could have predicted about the beatles.
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Old 20-03-2007, 09:51
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Originally Posted by BeatleGod
I was referring to the albums from 65-70.....which is the majority of their work. Only 63-64 focused on mainly pop songs and ballads.
You need to be more accurate in your posts
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Old 20-03-2007, 09:53
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Originally Posted by BeatleGod
but trust me, they are not gonna start producing a "Revolver" with their next album! Think thats a fair assumption.....
well i'm sure people said that about the beatles prior to Revolver being released

I tend to agree, it's unlikely, but never say never
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Old 20-03-2007, 10:48
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I suspect all the arguments over this will be repeating what is in this long running thread.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?t=506151

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Old 20-03-2007, 11:39
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Originally Posted by john-stirling
lol i'm not a fan of mcfly and when i said that i didn't mean literally of course

I meant that they seem to be heading the same way as the beatles did, starting off with little ditty pop tunes and progressing to deeper music and albums. We don't know where they'll be in 10 years, same as no one could have predicted about the beatles.
Like I said Radiohead have done it already, but its almost inevitable McFly won't start producing anything other than the poppy stuff they do now.

The Beatles were innovative during the 62-64 period for their time anyway, and were most importantly writing their material, something which was very rare for the time, as well as not having a set lead singer. Their "ditty" pop tunes sounded hugely fresh as the time and like no other. McFly have offered nil innovation, and the chances of them progressing to some sort of folk rock, acid, psychadellia phase is also NIL! Jesus wept!
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Old 20-03-2007, 11:41
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Originally Posted by john-stirling
well i'm sure people said that about the beatles prior to Revolver being released

I tend to agree, it's unlikely, but never say never
Like I said before, what the Beatles had before 1965 was still very new and fresh for its day. The Beatles were doing things that had never been done before. So if any band was going to make those sort of leaps of progression, it was always going to be The Beatles as pioneers - and it was.

McFly are no different to the thousands of bands that have come since the Beatles. The Beatles were always special.
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Old 20-03-2007, 11:59
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Originally Posted by BeatleGod
The Beatles were always special.
and will remain so
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Old 20-03-2007, 12:36
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I grew up listening to The Beatles and the fondest memories of my childhood come flooding back whenever I hear their music.

The Beatles were truly original, highly innovative, amazing lyricists. The sheer volume of work they created in such a short time is truly staggering - as is the variety.

We regularly debate the worthiness of The Beatles here, but I remember one thread that asked for posters to list their 10 favourite Beatles tracks. The fact that many were unable to limit their choice to just 10, says something about how great they were.
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Old 20-03-2007, 12:41
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The Beatles were way ahead of their time in terms of lyrical creativity, melodies and songwriting.

Even if you're not a fan of their music you cannot deny the influences they have had over music during the past 40 years.
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Old 20-03-2007, 13:08
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Originally Posted by Jan001

We regularly debate the worthiness of The Beatles here, but I remember one thread that asked for posters to list their 10 favourite Beatles tracks. The fact that many were unable to limit their choice to just 10, says something about how great they were.
Tough question....i would say at the moment, my favourite 10 are (always changing though!):

Day in the Life
Helter Skelter
Strawberry Fields Forever
I Am The Walrus
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Rain
I'm Down
Blackbird
Dear Prudence
We Can Work It Out

Jan, you're right, that is very tough....there ought to be a "50 favourite Beatles songs".
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Old 20-03-2007, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
I'm expected to be shot down by music fans everywhere here, but here me out.

To me they are the most overrated band in history. They are no better or worse than McFly/Busted. Most of the fans in their day were screaming females..similar to that of boybands today.

Some of their songs were just ludicrous (Yellow Submarine, I am The Walrus to name two)...oh and they created the worst kareoke song in history in Hey Jude.

Add to that that Paul McCartney is the most egotistical man in music...and it adds to the reasons why I don't like them at all.

Part of me thinks people only like them because everyone says you should.
I don't think they're overrated, when you think of some of the songs they've written. To say The Beatles or on a par with McFly is a bit inaccurate - don't think McFly have been an influence on too many musicians.

I love Yellow Submarine - another song that shows the group's variety of styles. The lyrics of Walrus, although couched in nonsense, may have a meaning according to Ian McDonald's book "Revolution In The Head". It's also a brilliant song

McCartney's personality doesn't harm his Beatle output, which is littered with classic songs.

You're entitled to you're opinion Steve - and shouldn't be shot down for it
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Old 20-03-2007, 19:10
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Originally Posted by mr. mustard
according to Ian McDonald's book "Revolution In The Head".
excellent book!
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Old 20-03-2007, 19:44
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Originally Posted by sixtieschick
excellent book!
Isn't it? Although I don't always agree with him; he doesn't rate Day Tripper or Across The Universe much Still one of the best ever Beatle books.

Ian McDonald commited suicide some time ago, I was saddened to hear
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