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Hip-hop love it or hate it?
The people i hang around with love hip-hop and rap but i can't relate to them maybe i am weird but do you people out there like it.
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I can't stand it. Macho posturing with absolutely no musical value whatsoever. The sound of it just annoys me intensely
It's some sort of sub culture that speaks a different language to me and I fail to understand what the attraction is. Does seem to be a staple diet of the bodykitted Vauxhall Corsa brigade. But they're just desperate to be noticed. Thank god for the off switch. Think i'll use it now. |
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Not my cup of tea, most of the tracks sound just every other hip hop track. But then again, others could say the same about the music styles that I like.
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Originally posted by mara Let me guess what that would be, dance? The big negative about dance is, it doesnt even have any lyrics!
Not my cup of tea, most of the tracks sound just every other hip hop track. But then again, others could say the same about the music styles that I like. |
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Hip-hop is definitely Marmite-like in nature. Personally I love it!!
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Hip Hop? EUGHHH!H!!!!! What utter bollox!!!!!! Total shite!!!
I cannot stand the stuff!
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ok..im old.
give me some examples of genres, as I get confused. examples please(artists and songs ) of 'Garage' 'Hip hop' 'Jungle' 'Drum and bass' 'Urban' 'Rap' 'Trance' (Thats fast dance music ..yes.?) |
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Originally posted by metafis To use some not-quite perfect but songs-you-might-have-heard-of examples...ok..im old. give me some examples of genres, as I get confused. examples please(artists and songs ) of 'Garage' 'Hip hop' 'Jungle' 'Drum and bass' 'Urban' 'Rap' 'Trance' (Thats fast dance music ..yes.?) Garage: Artful Dodger "Rewind (When The Crowd Say Bo Selecta) Hip Hop: Eminem "The Real Slim Shady" / Will Smith "Wild Wild West" Jungle: Goldie "Inner City Life" Drum 'n' Bass: Leftfield "Dusted" Urban: Not really one style of music, encompasses hip hop and r&b (and ragga and stuff like that) Rap: As hip hop. Hip hop encompasses the whole culture of breakdancing, rapping and graffiti. Rap is purely the music, althoug hthe terms are now interchangeable Trance: Not just 'fast dance music'. It uses a strong 4 beat structure, with peaks and troughs of emotion, rich soundscapes and pounding, repetitive baselines. "For An Angel" by Paul Van Dyk or "Cafe Del Mar" by Energy 52 would be a good jumping-off point. Hope this helps. Personally, i love hip hop. But then again i love music from all genres. The tip is not to be confined by genres and therefore come across as a blinkered, uneducated fool like some above who just dismiss entire musical styles simply out of ignorance. |
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Hip Hop is great. That's why I'm off to see Public Enemy in Leeds at the end of the month.
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Originally posted by FastEddie Right, well thats the commerical hip hop covered. But what about stuff that doesn't talk about guns and violence and women and "bling".Hip Hop: Eminem "The Real Slim Shady" / Will Smith "Wild Wild West" There are plenty of credible, high quality hip hop acts out there that sing and rhyme thought provoking lyrics. It doesn't all sound the same. Thats just the words of a narrow minded person. Rap is the music, Hip Hop is the movement. Quote:
Does seem to be a staple diet of the bodykitted Vauxhall Corsa brigade. But they're just desperate to be noticed.
You wouldn't be listening to hip hop then. The bodykit brigade are more likely be listening to house or trance.Scooter being an example of it. So stop being so narrow minded and seeing one act as "hip hop" and disliking it all. There is more to it than the P Diddys the Eminems and the bling bling. |
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I love HIP HOP definately do so. Oh Oh if you want to look at one element of HIP HOP then click here. BBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM
www.uprockaddicts.co.uk The uprock bit... o.. not boom. But I also really really really love trance, they say the difference is the speed between music, hard house is faster (I like that to) but hard house I notice hasn't got much lyrics. While trance has angelic voices coming out like Ralfh Fridge ANGEL. And Toca I need a miracle. Toca hey. Reminds of that icecream bar, ages ago. Winner Toca. I would like to have the joys of dancing like a spon until 6 in the morning. Then catching the bus home. Bliss. Trance music is good stuff and so is Hip Hop. Bit like Chalk and Cheese but it grew on me. Old Skool (you need to spell it like this(for some reason!)) hip hop is the bees knees. Public Enemy - Don't believe the hype. Soul Sonic Force. Rock It. Hey Fast Eddie. Have you ever heard of a beat boxer called Killa Kela? The bottom line is...........................? I don't know but I definately appreciate both musics, which are completely different yet appeal to me so much. And hip hop is more than just bad ass gangster OG's faces on it. The real hip hoppers are the ones in towns and in clubs, away from gun crime, and hate and violence. Promoting the real music, representing the elements, busting a freeze, scratchin' n poping n locking, painting, mcing. Even Beatboxing. That is Hip Hop, not the Hip Pop people get spoon fed everyday until they lose face in what Hip Hop really represents! Hip Hop is a culture, anyone can join, it has more values than what people are led to believe. However I hate garage, I don't get it. Sometimes I think it should be left in a garage collecting dust. But I know better. I know- its someone elses HIP HOP. |
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Originally posted by ttcook Rahzel, Kenny Muhammed. Beat boxing rules.
Hey Fast Eddie. Have you ever heard of a beat boxer called Killa Kela? |
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I reckon Killa Kela is technically better. Rahzel is more of a showman. When I saw his set 2 years ago, it was wicked. The only guy I know who can replicate the sound of the transformers transforming.
I heard though he still does the same set. Also heard his attitude leaves much to be desired. Killa Kela though, wicked. They say hes the best in the world. I don't know, I ain't no expert but still hes pretty sick! |
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Originally posted by ttcook Not a massive fan of beat-boxing. I respect the art, and Rahzel is the man - but to me it's a bit of a novelty thing.I reckon Killa Kela is technically better. Rahzel is more of a showman. When I saw his set 2 years ago, it was wicked. The only guy I know who can replicate the sound of the transformers transforming. I heard though he still does the same set. Also heard his attitude leaves much to be desired. Killa Kela though, wicked. They say hes the best in the world. I don't know, I ain't no expert but still hes pretty sick! Turntablism...that's my thing. Cut Chemist and Q*Bert...breaks are where it's at. And Peej, old mucker, i'm not espousing Eminem and Will Smith as the be-all and end-all of rap music - if you'd looked at my intro i said that these were examples he might have heard of. I could easily give him examples of Roots Manuva or Atmosphere or J5...but it would mean nothing to him unless he sought out the songs and listened to them. But while we're on the subject, there are two reasons I listen to hip hop music. The first is the pure energy and anger and power that permeates gangsta rap - you listen to it for the feelings, not really the music. The second is the technical proficiency of turntablism / 'intelligent' hip hop. The musical and lyrical value of something by Chali is always going to outweigh the standard gangsta lyricism - but then again Eminem is the finest lyricist in rap history in terms of writing, syncopation and delivery. to my mind, they are two different genres of music because they have completely different strengths and weaknesses. Again, i urge you all not to dismiss an entire genre because of your preconceptions about the artists or the sort of people who listen to it. Yes, gangsta rap and hard dance is a staple of boy racers everywhere, for example - but just because you don't like young men in modified hatchbacks poncing around like they own the road doesn't negate the music. That's just blinkered. I love hip hop, i love trance, i love modified cars. I deeply dislike a lot of people who share those passions - but it would never stop me from enjoying them? I mean what are we, sheep? |
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Originally posted by FastEddie Thanks.Trance: Not just 'fast dance music'. It uses a strong 4 beat structure, with peaks and troughs of emotion, rich soundscapes and pounding, repetitive baselines. "For An Angel" by Paul Van Dyk or "Cafe Del Mar" by Energy 52 would be a good jumping-off point. I recognise your explanation. The Charlotte Church single, (Brave new world) another example..yes? Trance always sounds to me like techno versions of old style country music 'reels'. (The ones where they all dance about waving their elbows in and out and playing fiddles). Its quite an old genre then?, I can remember 'sparks' in the seventies doing stuff like you describe, and also some Donna summer stuff in the late seventies. |
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Originally posted by metafis Yep, Jurgen Vries feat. CMC 'Brave New World' is about as pure chart trance as you can get. Thanks. I recognise your explanation. The Charlotte Church single, (Brave new world) another example..yes? Trance always sounds to me like techno versions of old style country music 'reels'. (The ones where they all dance about waving their elbows in and out and playing fiddles). Its quite an old genre then?, I can remember 'sparks' in the seventies doing stuff like you describe, and also some Donna summer stuff in the late seventies. It's one of the more long-lived dance genres, yes. Even though it arose mainly out of the post acid-house scene when those ravers who didn't want to give up the scene went out to Ibiza or Goa and mixed the hard dance sound of acid house with blissful laid-back balearic sounds, it shares much with a lot of '70s electronica - i.e. reliance on analogue-style noise generation, lots of snappy bass tones etc giving the track its melody; and prog rock - i.e. experimenting with technology, very rich, deep layered soundscapes and very noticeable climaxes and crescendos in the music. I actually consider these factors to be the reason why i was attracted to trance in the first place - i loved the early 80s electronica and the post-prog experiments in lush, beautiful soundscapes through electronic means. In many ways, trance is Jean Michel Jarre on speed ![]() The similarities are also why the current crop of chart trance hits are covers of 80s electronic pop - "Boys of Summer" being the current biggie, but Duran Duran's "Ordinary World" my personal favourite. |
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My first love is rhythmic Rock music, but I do like Trance as described. Maybe its because they both have the strong 4 beat structure you mention. Anything that pounds along with a solid beat gets my attention, from Status quo, through motorhead, to some trance stuff. Ive always loved that stuff, even as a little lad I loved listening to the local brass bands that paraded through our streets during various festivals. Id hear the "one two three four" banging of the bass drum getting closer, and I could feel my heart starting to pound with it, made me feel excited, even at 3 years old. , whilst my sister would hate it and run away!, (she hates rock music, loves MOR)
. Maybe personal taste in music is inbuilt and not inherited?. dunno...
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Originally posted by FastEddie I consider myself to be pretty open to most styles of music. If I like the sound of something there's a good chance i'll buy it, regardless of what it is. A philosophy i've practised in my 30 years of listening to music. As I do not like the sound of hip-hop or rap music I don't buy it. Simple choice really. Not a sign of ignorance, just a sign of individual taste.
Personally, i love hip hop. But then again i love music from all genres. The tip is not to be confined by genres and therefore come across as a blinkered, uneducated fool like some above who just dismiss entire musical styles simply out of ignorance. |
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Originally posted by Peej Kerton Maybe there are. I just don't like the sound of it. I couldn't care less what they're on about.Right, well thats the commerical hip hop covered. But what about stuff that doesn't talk about guns and violence and women and "bling" There are plenty of credible, high quality hip hop acts out there that sing and rhyme thought provoking lyrics. It doesn't all sound the same. Thats just the words of a narrow minded person. Quote:
You wouldn't be listening to hip hop then. The bodykit brigade are more likely be listening to house or trance.
I don't really care what banner it comes under. I just don't like THAT TYPE of music. I dislike the sound, I dislike the beat, I dislike the rhythm, I dislike the sound of the vocals. To my ears it's a mass of electronic sound that I really cannot abide. Is that simple enough to understand or am I not making my personal opinion (for that is all it is) clear?Quote:
So stop being so narrow minded and seeing one act as "hip hop" and disliking it all. There is more to it than the P Diddys the Eminems and the bling bling.
I'm sorry, I didn't realise it was compulsory to like hip-hop. I'm not being narrow minded. I just don't like music with beats and electronically generated drum sounds and the sound of someone speaking in a stupid voice over it. [/b][/quote]
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Originally posted by *MikeB* Nope, I dont really like dance music either. I like a variety though, so some 60s/70s/80s, rock, goth, classical, occasional pop tunes, some folk stuff, pretty much anything except dance or hip hop
Let me guess what that would be, dance? The big negative about dance is, it doesnt even have any lyrics! |
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Originally posted by mara It's interesting actually - my parents to a great extent feel the same way, although my mum, being a big, big fan of both Prince and Michael Jackson in the 80s is at least open to the potential value of urban music.Nope, I dont really like dance music either. I like a variety though, so some 60s/70s/80s, rock, goth, classical, occasional pop tunes, some folk stuff, pretty much anything except dance or hip hop But both of them, for the most part, disregard both hip hop and dance music as 'not proper' music. I think it's a very strange viewpoint (if understandable given that they grew up in an era where the only division in music was acoustic or electric). The strange thing is that, some soaring, orchestral rock songs aside, no genre of music has ever made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up like some of the best trance breakdowns out there. To me, trance music almost transcends musical appreciation - it's something even more raw and primal in that it changes the entire way you feel - your body can have a physiological reaction to it in a way i've never found with guitar music (and believe me, you're looking at someone who was weaned on guitar music). Each to their own, but i must confess that i simply cannot understand the concept of people just blanket 'not liking' an entire genre of music. Even thrash metal and country 'n' western, two genres that i by and large despise, have produced songs that i love to listen to. Horses for courses and all that...but i find it hard not to take the musical high ground sometimes and proclaim that those who block entire swathes of music cannot possibly be real music lovers.... ...rant over
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Hate it
Along with rap and the other spoken word black 'music' it isn't music. It's talk with a beat and most of the talk is nasty venemous and full of hate. At least with music that isn't to my taste, eg nu-metal, at least it is music. Rap, hip-hop, ragga, dancehall etc is not. |
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Originally posted by FastEddie Interesting comments and put diplomatically but I nevertheless feel you are placing yourself on a higher level here merely because YOU can appreciate all types of music. That doesn't make you a greater or more dedicated lover of music than many of the other people who have voiced their worthwhile opinions on this thread and on this forum. Myself, I have a pretty wide range of tastes that run from rock,metal, pop, country, folk, blues and soul to name but a few. The overriding factor that makes these particular styles of music appeal to me is the musical ability of the artists. One of the biggest pleasures in listening to music for me is hearing the results of a musically talented group of people interacting as well as the abilities of producers, mixing engineers and mastering studios. The genres of dance, hip-hop, rap etc rely almost exclusively on machine generated sound which, quite frankly, a monkey could produce. Therefore I cannot appreciate a so-called musical genre which I consider has no musical ability contained within it. Nothing turns me off more than the sound of an electronically produced drum sound for instance. I appreciate the place of technology in music but when it is relied upon so heavily then I get no feeling or excitement from that sound. It's not about energy in my mind. I don't listen to music to be energised.Each to their own, but i must confess that i simply cannot understand the concept of people just blanket 'not liking' an entire genre of music. Even thrash metal and country 'n' western, two genres that i by and large despise, have produced songs that i love to listen to. Horses for courses and all that...but i find it hard not to take the musical high ground sometimes and proclaim that those who block entire swathes of music cannot possibly be real music lovers.... ...rant over
The ones you maybe want to question about their love of music are the ones who listen to hip-hop, rap etc. Are they broad minded enough to appreciate other forms of music, like country for example. I think not. So I will continue to appreciate the sounds of musically talented artists and lose no sleep in the knowledge that I am blanking a genre. It has nothing to offer me so I will not buy it. |
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