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Old 31-03-2007, 10:04
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I thought murder trials rended to take longer than a week. Some go on for months and years. It seems Tracey's was over and done with quite quickly. Not realistic in my opinion.
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Old 31-03-2007, 10:07
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Jaci Stephen mentioned this today in the Weekend paper
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Old 31-03-2007, 10:11
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i think its been pretty rubbish tbh

all this hype for what?

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Old 31-03-2007, 10:27
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I think it makes gripping television...i was on the edge of my seat as i thought Deirdre was going to confess everything to the jury for one minute! Also i was shocked as i wasn't expecting her to confess everything to Jayne! David was also quite funny as was Claire. A great week for Corrie imo! The 2 hander followed by all this...excellent!
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Old 31-03-2007, 10:45
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Originally Posted by Lucky Bamboo
i think its been pretty rubbish tbh

all this hype for what?

emma xx
I think if you don't see the murder being committed it might have lasted longer, but the main story in this murder has been Toxic trying to convince gullible people that she's innocent when of course we know she isn't. So just seeing the main characters in court giving evidence and how that went down was all we needed to see and that was only gonna take a few episodes.
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Old 31-03-2007, 10:48
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You complain that it's only lasting a week, but would you really want it to go on for months? I know I don't.
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Old 31-03-2007, 10:53
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Would you rather it was short and sweet yet entertaining, or dragging out over 4 months being really boring *cough* Emmerdale *cough*
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Old 31-03-2007, 11:57
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Originally Posted by Breakout
You complain that it's only lasting a week, but would you really want it to go on for months? I know I don't.
It could have gone on longer 'in the background' but it's totally realistic that it lasted less than a week.

Also in a real murder trial David Platt's evidence would have been torn to shreds and I doubt very much if Tracey would have been out on bail with key a 'witness' living in the same street.
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Old 31-03-2007, 11:59
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Davids evidence was pretty much torn to shreds, wasn't it

I would mush rather it was short and entertaining, than long and boring.

Also, OP - this is soap, so it is not going to be 110% correct.
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Old 31-03-2007, 12:01
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Originally Posted by PIDGAS
It could have gone on longer 'in the background' but it's totally realistic that it lasted less than a week.

Also in a real murder trial David Platt's evidence would have been torn to shreds and I doubt very much if Tracey would have been out on bail with key a 'witness' living in the same street.
Why are you complaining if it's "realistic" ?
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Old 31-03-2007, 12:07
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Originally Posted by PIDGAS
It could have gone on longer 'in the background' but it's totally realistic that it lasted less than a week.

Also in a real murder trial David Platt's evidence would have been torn to shreds and I doubt very much if Tracey would have been out on bail with key a 'witness' living in the same street.
What they have allowed Toxic to do since her arrest has been totally unrealistic! Specially as she was living across the road from the crime scene and in amongst every witness!

I mean she's done everything she was told not to do, right from the beginning when she told to stay away from Charlie in hospital. Not only was she allowed in the room (where was security?! This man was a victim of attempted murder!) but Jason helpfully left her alone with him to finish off the job if she so wanted to do at the time!

This is a perfect example of soaps these days. Being as gory or scandalous or dramatic - or murderous - as posible, and to hell with the little 'details' that go with it to make it in some way realistic!
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Old 31-03-2007, 12:25
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^ But if you have just murdered someone, you don't really care about the law, so you probably would try and interfere with a witness.
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Old 31-03-2007, 12:33
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Originally Posted by Soapsaddict
^ But if you have just murdered someone, you don't really care about the law, so you probably would try and interfere with a witness.
True, and living on the same street it was obvious what she'd do, but there really should have been no way she'd be allowed to wander into his hospital room with him at deaths door and be left alone with him, when she's the one who put him there!

Her law abiding mother even took her there!
I dunno why Deirdre got so het up in the witness box about lying, she'd already broken a law by destroying evidence. Clearly she's got the habit from Toxic!
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Old 31-03-2007, 12:39
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^ The hospital one I completly agree about - there should have been security. Poor Deidre though, she is torn between being a good citizen and being a good (?) mother.
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Old 31-03-2007, 12:41
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Originally Posted by Flukie
True, and living on the same street it was obvious what she'd do, but there really should have been no way she'd be allowed to wander into his hospital room with him at deaths door and be left alone with him, when she's the one who put him there!

Her law abiding mother even took her there!
I dunno why Deirdre got so het up in the witness box about lying, she'd already broken a law by destroying evidence. Clearly she's got the habit from Toxic!
Exactly
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Old 31-03-2007, 13:34
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I agree it was far fetched in some respects, but I bet these things happen in real life. How many times have police not supervised people out on bail that you have read of in the papers. With the prisons full they aren`t supposed to put people in prison unless they are a danger to the public.
The unrealistic part was not so much Tracy out on bail as the fact that the neighbours let her get away with so much will she was.
I do agree though that Corrie`s standards are slipping badly, usually they covered everything but there are gaping holes in a lot of stories these days.
It seems that the more they go for ratings in soaps the less they care about details.
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Old 31-03-2007, 14:11
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Originally Posted by Breakout
Why are you complaining if it's "realistic" ?
Yea sorry, that was a typo! Of course I meant 'unrealistic' so that's why I am complaining.
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Old 31-03-2007, 14:14
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Originally Posted by PIDGAS
Yea sorry, that was a typo! Of course I meant 'unrealistic' so that's why I am complaining.
Ah I see, sorry, I didn't understand what you were trying to say in your post because it contradicted itself
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Old 31-03-2007, 16:13
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Originally Posted by Breakout
You complain that it's only lasting a week, but would you really want it to go on for months? I know I don't.
No, I wouldn't want it to go on forever but It should mirror reality. a few weeks at least.
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Old 31-03-2007, 16:34
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I work in a court so I have some experience of what would be realistic. While a week is too short, this is a case where the defendant doesn't deny that she is responsible for the victim's death. As it's merely a case of trying to prove self-defence & there not being a large number of witnesses, it probably wouldn't go on for too long in reality. There would probably be several days of legal argument, though.

What I did find unrealistic was the unsympathetic attitude of the judge to Deirdre on Friday. In my experience, judges are always really sympathetic & offer the witness as much time as they need to compose themselves. No way would they ever say 'you've got 2 minutes'. It was also highly unrealistic that they were all sitting in court waiting for Deirdre to return. The jury would be asked to leave & the judge would rise.

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Old 31-03-2007, 17:06
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Originally Posted by Top Dog
I work in a court so I have some experience of what would be realistic. While a week is too short, this is a case where the defendant doesn't deny that she is responsible for the victim's death. As it's merely a case of trying to prove self-defence & there not being a large number of witnesses, it probably wouldn't go on for too long in reality. There would probably be several days of legal argument, though.

What I did find unrealistic was the unsympathetic attitude of the judge to Deirdre on Friday. In my experience, judges are always really sympathetic & offer the witness as much time as they need to compose themselves. No way would they ever say 'you've got 2 minutes'. It was also highly unrealistic that they were all sitting in court waiting for Deirdre to return. The jury would be asked to leave & the judge would rise.
That is very interesting. Can they force people to testify here under subpeona.(apologies if the spelling is wrong) I would have thoguht that people such as diedre and David would be complelled to testify. Especially since David claimed to had seen the event.
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Old 31-03-2007, 17:11
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Also, murder trials usually take months to get to court. This one took what? Six weeks or so!! It's so unrealistic, as the police and CPS need time to collate evidence, line up witnesses, specialists etc?
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Old 31-03-2007, 18:19
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Originally Posted by sophisticate
That is very interesting. Can they force people to testify here under subpoena.(apologies if the spelling is wrong) I would have thoguht that people such as diedre and David would be complelled to testify. Especially since David claimed to had seen the event.
I was thinking that myself when Gail was telling David he didn't have to give evidence. I'd have thought the judge would have issued a summons (subpoena) if such a crucial witness refused to give evidence but I have no legal training so I'm not really sure how it works. I'll have to ask someone at work.

Of course, bringing the case to court only two months after the event is the most absurd thing but we can let Corrie off for this, I think. To make it realistic, Kate Ford would have to stick around another 18 months or more.
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Old 31-03-2007, 18:42
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who cares?!!? i'm sure you'd be complaining a lot more if this dragged on for 6 or so months. theres only so much they can do with the characters tracy, david, deidre etc. and what they have done is amazing.

This storyline has lasted just the right amount the time for good viewing in my opinion, creating a very gripping storyline that hasnt lost effect for the whole duration.
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Old 31-03-2007, 19:01
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Originally Posted by sophisticate
I thought murder trials rended to take longer than a week. Some go on for months and years. It seems Tracey's was over and done with quite quickly. Not realistic in my opinion.
In the Bill, Yvonne's trial for murder only lasted a day
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