Curiouser and curiouser...

Oh yeah, didn't spot that one. As much as I sooo want it to be The Master, this theory does sound good.

and what goes hand in hand with the crusifiction..... resurection

I thought at the time that it was just an open in-joke referencing the Series Title. In "Rose", she twisted it cleverly by saying "Doctor? Doctor What?" when we were all expecting her to say the obvious. I seem to remember in the classic series confused characters regularly saying it when introduced to "the Doctor".

As for the reference to it being "more than just a secret", maybe RTD is setting up the future implementation of his own MasterPlan, and maybe he's dropping things like this in deliberately, to spark controversy and debate around the series, knowing that internet posters love to second-guess everything.

As the Doctor himself said: "That's what I like about Humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren't there." And no, I can't remember when he said it, just that he did.

It might make it difficult for you to extrapolate where the plot is going - which is what I was suggesting. It won't stop you enjoying either programme. Heck it won't even stop you commenting on something you admit to having no knowledge of.

did we find out what the face f bo was harping on about ???

could that all still be a part if it ?

It has been mentioned a few times on the forum that in 'The End Game' it is mentioned the The Face of Boe is pregnant, rather a strange thing just to throw in if it bares no relevance to anything.

Maybe at some stage the DR had himself a bit of 'Hot-Boe-action'

Maybe Saxon is the face of Boe's child....but with legs !!!!
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I hated Buffy and thought it rubbish sorry. Did not enjoy it at all. Were the episodes good? They may have been but how people can think it's like Doctor Who amazes me. A series about a load of teenagers, all who are masters of kung foo, all good looking and aways dying then coming back to life. :yawn: So how can the stories be the same as Doctor Who. Also I am sure not all the stories on Buffy were as original as people make out.

I actually think this is the only time when it wasn't used as a joke. Steven Moffat wrote the episode anyway. Maybe these lines have zero bearing on Russell's main story arc.

Just to throw something else in with reference to the X theory mentioned earlier. Has anyone else thought that X is the Roman numeral for 10 (tenth doctor). Maybe the Romans have something to do with everything!

I think that it could be either nothing at all, or something really important. It's just the way that it seems dropped into the script. The mention of it being 'more than a secret'. The connection he has with Mme de Pompadour and the fact that she is seeing into his mind. In some ways she is his equal and when I watched it again, it just started niggling in the back of my mind.

Is there something more that is being alluded to. Almost as if it is a subtle insert (much like the early 'Bad Wolf' entries compared with the bnlatant Torchwood ones) designed to not even register until something else in the show makes you think.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not claiming any originality for BtVS/Angel, all I’m saying is that RTD is a big fan, and has made little secret of it’s influence in the past.

So you can for example see a Slayer that stands alone, moving to a Slayer who faces off with an Evil Slayer, through to more Slayers than you can shake a stick at

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Meanwhile, back on the original point. I think it's a touch more prosaic to be honest. It was a case of, it's more than just a case of him keeping his name a secret - say for political reasons, it's the fact that he was an alien etc
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Your post burns my eyes. Buffy was one of the most important outlets for feminism in modern pop culture - complex and deeply layered textually episode by episode it is an emotional, political, and philosophical metaphor which wears it's visual and character influence as genre pastiche ratter than cribbing...

Ahem...

I could go on...

...and on.

Still - Space Rhinos on the moon does take some beating.
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You forgot SMG in a cheerleaders outfit!

...<retrieving coat>...<exiting>

I know for a fact that The Beast from Satan Pit was originally going to appear in the last episode of Season 3. RTD mentions it in the Satan Pit Podcast. (His original idea was to have a little girl in the 'pit')
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Perhaps some sort of link to Simon "X-Factor" Cowell....the ultimate evil

They could not show anything that nasty before the watershed

;0)

Hey. I respect your love for Buffy. Most of my friend love it too. I just never got it. However my main point (as this is not a Buffy post) is that some shows cannot be compared. How do you compare Buffy to Doctor Who? The only thing they may have in common are some soapy elements and for this you could then compare both to Corrie or Eastenders God forbid..

only if we can see him exterminated by one of the contestants he rejected on X Factor!

Please note that I did resist the temptation to respond angrily to your Buffy slander (mainly because your opinion rackled as someone who had never actually seen an episode yet had applied all the generalisations that a show with a title "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" might provoke.....I just so wanted to reply to your post "But Xander is UGLY...THAT proves you wrong! ) but as a big Buffy fan and a getting towards being a big Dr Who fan too, I can say that what the two series have in common is the merging of real life with something extraordinary, in Buffy's case, the supernatural and extra terrestrials in DW

Now, go and give Buffy another chance....just err...start from season 2, eh?

Capt Jack = Angel, immortal character spun off into a darker sister show.

Rose = Buffy, forget the kung foo, it's more about the empowered girl taken from a shallow existance to fight evil

Rose's Dad's death = Buffy's Mom's death

Far too many monster of the week episodes which could be carbon copies as long as you substitute running down school corridors with hospital / spaceship corridors.

Hero/Heroine that is a unique individual, one in every generation/last of his race.

The introduction of the "dark slayer" / master

The scooby squad = K9 & mickey

Then there's just the more general way that series arcs have been introduced, the one parter format rather than the traditional 4-6 episodes. the big bad teasers, the psuedo web sites.

and of course RTD thinking he's Joss Wedon

With regard to Pete while I can see to some extent where you come from here there were huge differences between the storylines and how they were played out.

While Petes death was a defining moment in the Tyler family history in Buffy the death of Joyce always felt to me like a mid-season OMG stunt, as powerful an episode as it was I never saw reasoning for it TBH.

Monster of week and endless corridors are a staple part of all Sci-fi including classic Who and Star Trek. This was not a invention of Buffy.

The Doctor has always been a unique "singular" character even in the classic series he was set apart from the other Time Lords and as for the "Dark Slayer" well, hasn't that always been driving force of the Master?

The reasoning was to force Buffy to stand up as a woman, and the arc of how she coped (or rather didn't) in the subsequent season as an adult and carer. It was a metaphor for her becoming a woman in her own right, and no longer being merely a daughter. And as we know, with Joss Whedon metaphors are very actually and tangibly played out. It moved Buffy to a very dark and uncomfortable place as she shed her support group and fell into a dead end job and an abusive relationship, and whilst that didn't sit entirely comfortably with the audience, it was a brave move for a very real plot reason. It was far from a 'stunt'.

I do, however, find the comparisons between the two shows pretty tenuous. 'Torchwood' would have given it's left nut to be 'Angel', but I don't see much of a DW/Buffy connection myself.

Angel wasnt the first show to have a spin off series.


Been happening in Dr Who since year dot.


Hardly a first for Buffy having a dead character.


This is THE Dr Who format, as Im sure you know has been done way before Buffy, 30 years before infact.


Superman anyone, again not an original concept devised by Buffy.


Again, The master was many many years ahead of Buffy


The comedy foil, again a staple diet in the canon of Dr Who. Again many years before Buffy



Hardly a steal from Buffy is it, to have single episodes, or a story arc


Just by going on the all of the Buffy facts you pointed out it does rather seem that Joss Wedon has stole his ideas from Dr Who's past.
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Last season, there was a couple of occasions where letters on notes. etc, appeared capitalized. Does anyone remember what they were? They may be revelent now.